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eitai2001

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The Sony/Samsung panel is superior ... the difference between Sony and Samsung is the Bravia engine is superior. I wouldn't officially state sony video processing on LCD is rivalled by Pioneer Plasma, because they are 2 different technologies and work differently ... I will say the Sony Plasma's weren't great though. If you look at Plasma ... Panasonic Vierra Engine is 2nd to Pioneer ...

Its like saying the taste of an orange 2nd to the taste of a Nartjie ... you can't honestly say that ... you can say the taste of a Pick 'n Pay standard grade orange is second to the taste of a Woolworths Genetically engineered orange and the same applies for a nartjie. (This statement is hypothetical ... don't take my word for it :p )
 

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Yes ... I remember ... from back in the day :p ... still you can't compare Bravia to Vierra / Pioneer ... not the same thing ... never the less ... I would still take the Pioneer Full HD plasma anyday ... just bring the price down 50k or so :D
 

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Oh ... and the LG Plasmas aren't anything to show off either ... nice ... but Samsung / Panasonic / Pioneer are better.
 

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I used to sell TV's part time during varsity so I know a bit:

Depending on what you want here's what I'd recomend...
32"
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Best value by far on the market at the moment is the LG32" (LC7 model), you can pick these up for R5999 which is a steal,
My personal fav in this size is the Samsung 32" (R81 NOT THE S81), but these are quite pricey at R 7999.

37"
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This is a bit of an awkward size and not a huge range....
The Samsung 37R81 is very rare and I've only ever seen it at Hirsch, not sure of the price
The LG 37" (LC7) is nice and worth considering at R9999
I'd look into Sony at this size though, as I believe they have launched a Full HD model now.

On Sony just be careful. They have recently launched a new range and a lot of shops, Game, Dions, Hirsch are running what look like brilliant specials. But it's discontinued stock so do some research! The LG LC7 and Samsung R81 are current models!

40-42"
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Now you are in the Full HD range (if you have that budget),
Samsung 40R81 is brilliant and reasonable at about R13 999.
LG 42" (LC7) is good, but for the same money I'd rather take the Samsung!
Sony has a big range but >> $$ if you know what I mean.

Don't listen to the Plasma people!!

Yes you will get Ghosting on an LCD with DSTV but so what! I doubt you have cash like this to throw around all the time, this is obviously an investment.
Reasons Plasma is a waste:
1. Glare: The screen is glass lots of glare, LCD matt finish
2. Resolution: Higher HD resolution on LCD than Plasma, even with "HD Ready" models
3. Connections: Usually more HDMI inputs on an LCD e.g. Samsung LCD's ==> 3xHDMI
4. Swivel Bases: LCD's come on swivel bases.
5. No (noticeable) Ghosting on HD signals in LCD, isn't that why you are buying one? For HD and PS3. Remember LCD is a DIGITAL TV and optomised for digital input which is one of the main causes of ghosting. Current DSTV is analog when it comes out of the decoder.
6. Option of Full HD
7. Lifespan. Plasma only 60 000 hours (screen burn etc)

Benifits of plasma:
1. Price.

Well that's my 2c.

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LCD's doesnt glare as much... If the room gets lots of sun go for a LCD...

I know we have a "braai kamer" with a 42" LCD because it has a massive 6 metre glass door, 3 meter glass door and a window... Incase u wanted to know :p Interest sake...
 

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I also work part time as a TV sales-person on weekends ... in fact, I'm going to work today.

I used to sell TV's part time during varsity so I know a bit:

Depending on what you want here's what I'd recomend...
32"
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Best value by far on the market at the moment is the LG32" (LC7 model), you can pick these up for R5999 which is a steal,
My personal fav in this size is the Samsung 32" (R81 NOT THE S81), but these are quite pricey at R 7999.
You can also look at Sony S series 32"

37"
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This is a bit of an awkward size and not a huge range....
The Samsung 37R81 is very rare and I've only ever seen it at Hirsch, not sure of the price
The LG 37" (LC7) is nice and worth considering at R9999
I'd look into Sony at this size though, as I believe they have launched a Full HD model now Never heard of it or seen it in SA ... maybe overseas ... unless it was launched this week ... then I'll know later, but not AFAIK

On Sony just be careful. They have recently launched a new range and a lot of shops, Game, Dions, Hirsch are running what look like brilliant specials. But it's discontinued stock so do some research! The LG LC7 and Samsung R81 are current models! So is the Sony 37" S Series I think at R11999, maybe R10999, maybe even less ... will check later at work ... not full HD though ... in a cheap budget, the Philips Full HD 37" is an option (LG Panel)

40-42"
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Now you are in the Full HD range Not necessarily ... unless you go for a Full HD model (if you have that budget),
Samsung 40R81 is brilliant and reasonable at about R13 999 Nice Panel, but not Full HD.
Sony 40" V series is great unit ... at about R14999 as well ... Bravia engine on this unit outdoes Samsung R81 ... Sony D series is an option with Motion Flow to counteract ghosting in sport
LG 42" (LC7) is good, but for the same money I'd rather take the Samsung!
Sony has a big range but >> $$ if you know what I mean. Once again not necessarily true, because Samsung aren't the cheapest either ... the Samsung M81 and F81 (Full HD models) were more expensive the sony W40 and X40 (Full HD Models) last week when I checked

Don't listen to the Plasma people!! Also utter rubbish ... This boils down to personal preference ... in many cases, a Plasma will give you a better image depending on what you are watching ... especially with the Panasonic Vierra and Pioneer ... but they don't come cheap

Yes you will get Ghosting on an LCD with DSTV but so what! I doubt you have cash like this to throw around all the time, this is obviously an investment.
Reasons Plasma is a waste Once again, Plasma is not a waste ... there is still no LCD that can output a standard TV signal better than a Plasma, but an LCD will do a better job for PC/Gaming use:
1. Glare: The screen is glass lots of glare, LCD matt finish Agreed
2. Resolution: Higher HD resolution on LCD than Plasma, even with "HD Ready" models Fairly true ... resolution is 1024x768 ... but its the vertical lines that makes the difference not horizontal ... because true HD Ready is a 720p signal ... and plasma has enough vertical lines to cover this range ... this is only a downfall for connecting a computer ... TV signals are better viewed at this resolution
3. Connections: Usually more HDMI inputs on an LCD e.g. Samsung LCD's ==> 3xHDMI The Panasonic PV700M has 3xHDMI ... I wouldn't decide on a TV because of HDMI inputs ... if you need more ... and you are going to have a home theatre system ... get an amplifier with multi-HDMI inputs
4. Swivel Bases: LCD's come on swivel bases. Yes ... I will buy a TV because you can actually turn it, without moving the base ... woohoo ... this isn't even a consideration ...
5. No (noticeable) Ghosting on HD signals in LCD, isn't that why you are buying one? For HD and PS3. Remember LCD is a DIGITAL TV and optomised for digital input which is one of the main causes of ghosting. Current DSTV is analog when it comes out of the decoder. Ok ... and how many signals are in HD currently ... and when it comes out, how many will be in HD? ... I agree ... I don't really see ghosting too much ... but sometimes it is noticeable ... especially when watching a soccer match ... Plasma has its advantages here
6. Option of Full HD Both LCD and Plasma have OPTIONS of coming in Full HD ... the only downside is that for a Full HD plasma, you have to look at 50" and bigger ... whereas Full HD LCD starts at 37" ... this is a big plus for LCD ... but is only gonna help you if you watch Bluray movies or use a PS3
7. Lifespan. Plasma only 60 000 hours (screen burn etc) True ... LCD is 80 000 ... Screen Burn is an easy fix (we've done it many times), but in any case 60 000 hours at an average of 8 hours a day (4 for kids in afternoon, 4 at night) equates to something like 20.5 years ... will you even still use this TV in 20 years time? There will be 10x better technologies (Hologram FTW :D )

Benifits of plasma:
1. Price In defence of LCD ... in the 40/42" category some LCD's are still cheaper
2. I don't have any more time to write these, but they are mostly listed above

Well that's my 2c.
And this is my 2c ... I will still buy an LCD for myself anyday ... but you can't say Plasma is a waste of money ... it has its uses and advantages over LCD ... I would consider myself an LCD Fanboy, but I won't say a plasma is not worth the money

If you guys have the time and live in Jhb, come to Cats Digital in Sandton City today and tomorrow and ask for me (Itai), I will show you just how good the LCDs and Plasmas are ... and if you want one ... much to contrary belief, Cats Digital is not a rip off on TV's ... some other things yes :D ... but we sometimes cheaper than game / dion on tv's ... most of the time roughly the same
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I checked the pricing at work ... this is the comparative pricing between samsung and sony:

Sony: | Samsung Equivalent:
32s - 7999 | 32S81 - 6999
32v - 8499 | 32r81 - 8999
37s - 10999 | 37r81 - 12999 (Actually a bit better than Sony S series)
40s - 13999 | 40s81 - 11999
40v - 14999 | 40R81 - 15999
40d - 16999 | None
Full HD Models:
40w - 21999 | 40M81 - 20999
40x - 24999 | 40F81 - 30999

So as Dequadin's says Sony >>$$$$ its not true ... well relatively to the portion of the market they are targeting .... if you compare to like Sansui ... then yes, Sony >>$$$ ... but if you look at quality then Sony takes the lead ... they used to ... but they came down.

According to the "experts" who ever they are ... the Sony X series is the best LCD on the market. Well at the time the article was written a few months ago.
 

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What happened ... I thought Dequadin was gonna retaliate as a LCD Fanboy :D ... damn ... I like a good heated debate ;)
 

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The Sony/Samsung panel is superior ... the difference between Sony and Samsung is the Bravia engine is superior. I wouldn't officially state sony video processing on LCD is rivalled by Pioneer Plasma, because they are 2 different technologies and work differently ... I will say the Sony Plasma's weren't great though. If you look at Plasma ... Panasonic Vierra Engine is 2nd to Pioneer ...

Its like saying the taste of an orange 2nd to the taste of a Nartjie ... you can't honestly say that ... you can say the taste of a Pick 'n Pay standard grade orange is second to the taste of a Woolworths Genetically engineered orange and the same applies for a nartjie. (This statement is hypothetical ... don't take my word for it :p )

/me head explodes from convoluted metaphor

:p
 

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I must say, as someone who feels he knows a bit about TVs, I've certainly learnt a lot from this thread, both directly (from the actual posts) and indirectly (from googling the opinions and arguments put forward).

There have been quite a few discussions on TVs lately... Shouldn't there be a sticky for this info?
 

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Just another pointer ... if you want to look at the 50" range ... you're gonna get more value out of a 50" Samsung Full HD at Roughly 35k than from a 52" LCD at 50k ... unless your lounge is basically glass ... cause then reflections will kill you ... My opinion anyway ... :p ... OLED TV's FTW :p
 

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I checked the pricing at work ... this is the comparative pricing between samsung and sony:

Sony: | Samsung Equivalent:
32s - 7999 | 32S81 - 6999
32v - 8499 | 32r81 - 8999
37s - 10999 | 37r81 - 12999 (Actually a bit better than Sony S series)
40s - 13999 | 40s81 - 11999
40v - 14999 | 40R81 - 15999
40d - 16999 | None
Full HD Models:
40w - 21999 | 40M81 - 20999
40x - 24999 | 40F81 - 30999

So as Dequadin's says Sony >>$$$$ its not true ... well relatively to the portion of the market they are targeting .... if you compare to like Sansui ... then yes, Sony >>$$$ ... but if you look at quality then Sony takes the lead ... they used to ... but they came down.

According to the "experts" who ever they are ... the Sony X series is the best LCD on the market. Well at the time the article was written a few months ago.

Just a question, howcome the Samsung 40" is cheaper than the 37"?
I have had a look at the samsung and LG 37/40"s on their websites and i like the look of the samsung alot more than the LG.. I see that the response time for the samsung is 8ms compared to 5 for the lg though... do you really notice the difference??

I also had a look at the sony but they seem alot more expensive and not as nice looking..

Between the samsung and the LG 37 or 40", which would you take??
 

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The 40" Samsung is cheaper cause its a lower end model ("Sunomo" if I remember correctly), and the 37" is a Bordeaux which is the higher end model.

The Sony's aren't more ... you just have to look at their relative target market ... i.e. Sony 40V vs Samsung 40R ... the Sony is cheaper.

The new LG's have a better refresh rate which helps with ghosting in sport ... but Samsung/Sony have better panel technology and also better engine technology, so things like colour and sharpness are better.
 

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Me ... I'd go for Samsung ... but I had a customer choose LG over Samsung earlier ... cause the 32" LG was R500 more than the 26" Samsung ... but a new A series ... dunno much about the new Samsungs.
 

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Sorry guys but I'm not online all the time so wasn't trying to get into a debate, just giving my opnion.

From eitai2001's comments, really as far as I'm concerned, he mostly agreed with me. And working for Catz, who are the "more reputable" Sony dealers he would have more knowledge of the Sony range...

A couple of follow up points:
Sony's are good, I never knocked them. Just check the model.
None of the TV's I spoke about were Full HD, nor did I claim them to be....

I saw today that the LG and Samsung models I quoted have been discontinued! (my apologies I had know idea, haven't been in the game for a while).

My advice would be to wait a bit. The shops I saw this weekend had dropped prices hectically on the LC7 (LG's) and (S&R) Samsungs.

Let the old stock clear and buy a new model when pricing is "normal" again!
 

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Yes .. Cats may be the "more reputable" Sony dealer ... but I get no benefits selling Sony over anything else ... thats just my opinion. In any case ... I am giving advice ... I'm not trying to make a sale ... and besides, I sell more LG and Samsung personally then anything ... but I am mainly in camera sales in any case ... so my opinion is not bias. My knowledge of Sony / Samsung / LG is equivalent

The new LG's are the LG30 and LG60 models ... but as far as I'm concerned ... I don't see much point in buying a new model that costs more ... they barely change in spec ... and so the older models are generally cheaper and therefore the better option.

Not always the case like with the sony X250 series and X300 series, where the latter got the motion flow technology ... but between the LG 32LG30 and the 32LB9 ... the only difference I can see so far is the looks ... I may be wrong ... but if there are differences, they are slight.

And if you wait for the old stock to clear and pricing to be "normal" again ... then the next new model will be in soon after ... which essentially means you will wait forever ... IMO go for the older cheaper model and get the best deal.

And I didn't mostly agree with you ... I said I also like LCD's ... you said that Plasma is a no go ... and I completely disagree with that.
 

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Hmmm this is all very interesting. Seems that i should start saving now for my "place TV here" section of my lounge :D
 

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Hey
I've had a quick read through this thread and nobody's mentioned LCD rear projection? I know the old models are terrible, but the new ones give you the best value for your money by far. I bought a Sony Bravia 50" rear projection 3lcd about a year ago, and it's the best buy I've ever made. HD divx files look amazing! (e.g. Lost and Transformers).

The only downside is that you can't put it on your wall like with a plasma or lcd, but if you're planning on putting your tv on a stand then it's definitely something to consider. My tv is only 720p/1080i, but I don't see the fuss around 1080p when broadcast is only 720p (in 1st world countries), so come 2010 you're only going to get 720p, not 1080 (which only some bluray discs are, most are 720p).
Model is a Sony Bravia KF-50E200A, I think it retails for around R15 000 now. But with regards to other plasma and lcds? I'd still stick with Sony.

Anyways, that's just my 2c :)
 
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