Which Programming Language

semaphore said:
You can put whatever you want on record. You've been very brainwashed into the whole static analysis and type safety arena (funny thou considering you love python so much). You need to go do some assembler and clear your head.
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Yeah, thought you wouldn't answer.

I dunno if you've ever been involved in training students etc. but from what I've seen they truly are "dumb" and get frustrated quickly. If the tool (however versatile) stops them from exploring and getting things done they give up. You can make the case that if they give up easily they should get out now, but that is a different discussion.

And I don't love Python all that much - it is a very pretty and easy scripting language that I can use for odd jobs. I much prefer .NET for the heavy lifting and from what I've seen and the bit I played with Go it looks pretty good.
 
Hamster said:
Yeah, thought you wouldn't answer.

I dunno if you've ever been involved in training students etc. but from what I've seen they truly are "dumb" and get frustrated quickly. If the tool (however versatile) stops them from exploring and getting things done they give up. You can make the case that if they give up easily they should get out now, but that is a different discussion.

And I don't love Python all that much - it is a very pretty and easy scripting language that I can use for odd jobs. I much prefer .NET for the heavy lifting and from what I've seen and the bit I played with Go it looks pretty good.
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Ah, sorry i forgot to answer it. Because your question has no relevance. It boils down to what the persons job is, if they are front end web, how is java and C# going to benefit them? Its a person by person case.

Nope never trained anyone so i'll take your word on it. Did try teaching my friends assembler in high school thou, that didn't go well.

Python pretty, i think vomit is more appealing. Go is nice.

I think there are worse things than Js, like PHP :erm:
 
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Hamster said:
Almost like saying that you should pick any bike that you like to learn to drive on - that 1000c Ducatti Speaks to me!

When you learn to program you want something more forgiving with training wheels so you spend more time learning to drive and less time in hospital trying to figure out what the hell went wrong.

In the end it doesn't matter but surely at the start it does?
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What bit of 'Learn to Code' did you miss. This question has been asked by a number of people better qualified to compare Aprillas to Ossas(See what I did there?), and there are a number of sites set up by now that teach the fundamentals.
 
Compton_effect said:
What bit of 'Learn to Code' did you miss. This question has been asked by a number of people better qualified to compare Aprillas to Ossas(See what I did there?), and there are a number of sites set up by now that teach the fundamentals.
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I'm over it actually. I bet most of the guys asking these programming questions never end up writing a line if code.

And you're right - pick a language and just write some code. The difference the language makes is probably not significant enough anyway.
 
Until the next which language thread :whistle:

// switches of the lights.
 
Hamster said:
I'm over it actually. I bet most of the guys asking these programming questions never end up writing a line if code.

And you're right - pick a language and just write some code. The difference the language makes is probably not significant enough anyway.
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Wut?

The language should incorporate all the principles of modern programming, like OO.
 
Swa said:
Says the one recommending JS for everything it wasn't designed for.
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Oh exactly where did i do that? Unless your brain is unable to comprehend the advancements of a particular dialect into other areas.
 
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semaphore said:
Oh exactly where did i do that? Unless your brain is unable to comprehend the advancements of a particular dialect into other areas.
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Either you are being dense or just playing dense. The very things you mention are what it was never designed for. JS is not advancing into the areas you mention, it's being forced into them. You don't seem to know the different and how it's going to have an impact and make it unsuitable.
 
Swa said:
Either you are being dense or just playing dense. The very things you mention are what it was never designed for. JS is not advancing into the areas you mention, it's being forced into them. You don't seem to know the different and how it's going to have an impact and make it unsuitable.
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You do know languages evolve over time right? And as such the gain new features. Man you are such an amateur in everything you talk about its rather amusing.

You can be backwards as much as you want, but the fact that companies like PayPal, Microsoft, Ebay to name a few have rewritten some of there services in JS show its power (server side). You can argue till your little hearts content, fact remains its going into those fields and will continue. Entire games being written in it, not forced at all.

But for the curious http://brackets.io/?lang=en
 
semaphore said:
You do know languages evolve over time right? And as such the gain new features. Man you are such an amateur in everything you talk about its rather amusing.

You can be backwards as much as you want, but the fact that companies like PayPal, Microsoft, Ebay to name a few have rewritten some of there services in JS show its power (server side). You can argue till your little hearts content, fact remains its going into those fields and will continue. Entire games being written in it, not forced at all.

But for the curious http://brackets.io/?lang=en
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Just a theory.
 
Compton_effect said:
Ehhh. No. You have to first know how to walk - then you try and perform surgery on your legs while running the Atacama Crossing.
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Your reply doesn't really make sense. I said the first language needs to have OO, because that is currently what is current. A nice comprehensive language like Java would be most suitable, or perhaps C# if you want to use a clone.
 
Taranis said:
Your reply doesn't really make sense. I said the first language needs to have OO, because that is currently what is current. A nice comprehensive language like Java would be most suitable, or perhaps C# if you want to use a clone.
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I remember you. You're the Java fanboy from the last time we had a thread like this (2003 called they want their Java vs. C# pissing contest back btw).
 
Taranis said:
Your reply doesn't really make sense. I said the first language needs to have OO, because that is currently what is current. A nice comprehensive language like Java would be most suitable, or perhaps C# if you want to use a clone.
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Shame, its so amusing at how you fundamentally don't understand anything. Run along now.
 
How about go for something like ADA or VHDL :p

We had this entire discussion a month ago
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/616153-Rookie-in-Programming

nahoR said:
I would suggest starting off with plain C (you need to know how pointers work, Its an absolute must in my opinion). Once you get the hang of the basic thinking processes and how things work inside the computer you can switch to any language. First comes the skill to solve the problem, then comes the implementation. You can use any language, its just a matter of syntax

So my suggestion is get you favorite Linux distro, install GCC, and go for it. There are various editors, Eclipse will make it easy as there are templates and has nice plugins. Maybe start using a simple text editor such as gedit or kwrite/kate.

Or if you prefer the windows route, notepad++ with cygwin will work fine. Or dare I say the old borland c++ compiler

Have a look at http://www.phy.pmf.unizg.hr/~matko/C21/ch01/ch01.htm

Progressing from C to C++ might be the next logical step forward. Gives you the basic ideas behind object oriented programming/classes. If you are really brave dig a bit into design patterns
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