Which smartphone? Find your answer here...

I'm not really sure how to answer you as it seems to obvious an answer!

Surely a smaller phone would be easier to operate one handed?! Add in the rounded edges on the N8 and possibly the positioning of most used "keys".

Obvious, Lance?

The N8 - 113.5 x 59.1 x 12.9 mm, compared to the Desire - 119 x 60 x 11.9 mm. That's almost identical for all intents and purposes. Besides, at least the Desire has more than 1 tactile button on the front... and an optical joystick. Beats out the N8's one button in my book. Depending on implementation 1 button could be as easy to use, but better by almost 100%?

Your link sucks.
 
See my edit and use this cloth to wipe the egg off your face ;)

No need. Unlike you, I've have a touchscreen-only phone. :p Possible keypad configurations on the Desire in portrait: QWERTY, Compact QWERTY (2 characters to each "button") and Phone Keypad (or T9).

Your link still sucks. :D
 
...and of course the zoom bar.

Nah... no fiddly zoom bar; onscreen "+" and "-" buttons. Nice, intuitive, stepping zooms, not some fiddly imprecise slider bar. Lance, the simple truth is that phones are a subjective matter - I can appreciate the hardware & design of the N8 and it might be the ideal phone for you, but your link really, truly does suck.
 
Nah... no fiddly zoom bar; onscreen "+" and "-" buttons. Nice, intuitive, stepping zooms, not some fiddly imprecise slider bar. Lance, the simple truth is that phones are a subjective matter - I can appreciate the hardware & design of the N8 and it might be the ideal phone for you, but your link really, truly does suck.

Appraising a phone may be subjective but reviews from others is all one has to go on prior to getting your hands on a phone. In an ideal world you would get to use each phone for a month before deciding which is best suited. This is not an ideal world.

I can read a 10 page review where conclusions are made and I can look at a grid where ratings are given for various things. Both provide me with an insight into what the phone offers. Every review is telling me that the N8 is the phone for me. Even these discussions have cemented that. The only reviews that had me worried, were ones by, what lately appears to be rather ill-informed, yanks who seem to know very little about cell phones. One chap boasting a PhD apparently even wrote a report stating what was wrong with Nokia and one suggestion, amongst many America-centric ones, was that they move their offices from Finland to Atlanta!!!

EDIT : Oh, and by the way, rather than just having a fiddly scroll bar, or fiddly + and - buttons on the screen the N8 also has the hardware volume/zoom button on the right side ;)

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/images/reviews/N8/n8-right.jpg
 
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...and I can look at a grid where ratings are given for various things.

Sure, as long as it's not this grid. Because it sucks, as has been demonstrated by several people. Agree with everything else and, as I believe I've also stated elsewhere, the main reason why I went Android is because I've grown tired of all things Nokia. I'm sure the N8 will be a descent enough phone, especially for someone who rates having a capable camera handy 24/7, but Android has satisfied my penchant for something fresh and customisable. To me HDMI out on a frikken phone is over-the-top unnecessary fluff - my old N95's TV-Out cable is still neatly sealed in the box. Seriously, if you're going around plugging your phone into HDTVs you might want to increase the dosage of your meds.

Oh, and Americans are (mostly) ignorant and stupid. You should've known better.

Enjoy your N8 when you do get your hands on it, and I'll continue to appreciate that not a single other HTC Desire is set up like mine. ;)
 
Enjoy your N8 when you do get your hands on it, and I'll continue to appreciate that not a single other HTC Desire is set up like mine. ;)

Ahh, yes indeed, I was looking for the words earlier and mistakenly referred to it as follows :

Or you get the ones who automatically get an Android because it is apparently hip, happening, new and cool.

...but it is closer to the truth to refer to them as the ones who grow their hair, wear earrings, and get tattoos all under the premise of being individual, unique and bucking the system even though every second person is sporting the same style :D

You have once again cemented my position. I do not need my phone to be uniquely set up. I need it to do everything it does well ;)
 
Ahh, yes indeed, I was looking for the words earlier and mistakenly referred to it as follows :
Or you get the ones who automatically get an Android because it is apparently hip, happening, new and cool.
...but it is closer to the truth to refer to them as the ones who grow their hair, wear earrings, and get tattoos all under the premise of being individual, unique and bucking the system even though every second person is sporting the same style :D

You have once again cemented my position. I do not need my phone to be uniquely set up. I need it to do everything it does well ;)

Thou doth assume too much... still. My phone does everything I need it to do exceedingly well. I can view PDFs and Office docs on the fly. The navigation is brilliant. It hasn't dropped a call - ever. I have an OK camera if the need ever arises. With Android 2.2 I've got a 720p-capable video capture facility. The screen rocks. My contacts are automatically synced to the cloud, so no PC Suite malarkey. The browsing experience is solid. AND I can stuff the whole screen full of widgets giving me whatever info I deem important at a glance. Has absolutely sweet f'all to do with being "hip" or "cool" - you really, really don't know me as you'd soon learn that would be 2 of the last 5 adjectives in the English language that you would be able to apply to me.
 
Thou doth assume too much... still. My phone does everything I need it to do exceedingly well. I can view PDFs and Office docs on the fly.

Ahh, just like my two year old N82. Nice.

The navigation is brilliant.

Ahh, just like my two year old N82. Nice. I switch between Garmin and Ovi Maps dependent on my mood.

It hasn't dropped a call - ever.

Ahh, just like my two year old N82. Nice. Although I am going to have to assume it is a network thing as both my colleagues regularly drop calls on their BBs in the office and I would never dare to say it is because they have crap phones!


I have an OK camera if the need ever arises.

Oops, I can't say just like my two year old N82 here as I would be lying. My N82 has an exceptional camera with a xenon flash! And it seems the N8 will just improve on this.

With Android 2.2 I've got a 720p-capable video capture facility.

You've got my N82 beaten here.... but the N8 will come with this out the box. Oh, and I can then actually output those via HDMI and get the full benefit of them.

The screen rocks.

Not really expecting a screen that rocks but one that allows me to view everything properly will do. Although I'm sure rocking would be a perfect description of the N8 screen.

My contacts are automatically synced to the cloud, so no PC Suite malarkey. The browsing experience is solid. AND I can stuff the whole screen full of widgets giving me whatever info I deem important at a glance. Has absolutely sweet f'all to do with being "hip" or "cool" - you really, really don't know me as you'd soon learn that would be 2 of the last 5 adjectives in the English language that you would be able to apply to me.

Probably no need to do each one individually any more. I am perfectly happy with PC suite or OVI suite to sync with. Perhaps I am just less technically challenged than some. A solid browsing experience is something I get on a 15" minimum laptop monitor. For the odd bit of browsing I think the N8 will do me just fine although my higher standards would mean I would not call it solid no matter how good it was. Widgets are definitely not unique to your phone. In fact I think you'll find they were around for a while already.

As regards reference to the words hip and cool, read again and you'll see I admitted my mistake there and changed the description...
 
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As regards reference to the words hip and cool, read again and you'll see I admitted my mistake there and changed the description...

You do need to stop your ninja editing - it makes trying to have a grown-up conversation extremely tedious as you keep shifting the goal posts. Anyhat, the long & short of this specific thread is that your link still sucks & should not be used in an attempt to answer the question posed in the OP at all. It's inaccurate and intrinsically flawed.

Would it be so difficult for you to admit that "the link posted in the OP is useless" & grant others the freedom of choice to buy the phone they deem prudent, given that a) it was sufficiently researched, and b) it's not an iPhone? Sheesh... :p What the hell more do you want from me than an admission that the N8 would probably suit you well, given your priorities. Also, is it so difficult to believe that someone who has made a choice - *shudder* - not the same as yours can be perfectly happy with a product filling the needs and wants of that person?

Your link still sucks.
 
I am perfectly willing to accept that someone could choose a totally different phone to me and we could both be equally satisfied with our choices. That is in fact the exact premise of that entire grid! You decide what is important to you and the phone recommendation will vary. You don't see me crying about my N82 not being ranked at the top phone by default.

All this thread has shown is that some individuals are obviously a little insecure about their phone choice.... ;)
 
I am perfectly willing to accept that someone could choose a totally different phone to me and we could both be equally satisfied with our choices. That is in fact the exact premise of that entire grid! You decide what is important to you and the phone recommendation will vary. You don't see me crying about my N82 not being ranked at the top phone by default.

All this thread has shown is that some individuals are obviously a little insecure about their phone choice.... ;)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! In addition to everything else I also don't see you realising that even having the N82, and the 5800 for that matter, alongside phones like the Galaxy S, Desire and N8 is completely pointless. It's the equivalent of comparing a Spitfire to an F-16 - sure they both have wings, but it's a bit of a daft match-up, isn't it? Different eras, different roles, different approaches, different markets. :rolleyes:

If anything, your constant stream of pro-N8 material makes you look a tad insecure. It's as if you need the reassurance of others to validate your decision.
 
If anything, your constant stream of pro-N8 material makes you look a tad insecure. It's as if you need the reassurance of others to validate your decision.

Quite the contrary, I keep looking for someone to point out some tangible reasons why it is not the obvious choice. It has seemed that way to me since I heard of it's release and I'm eagerly waiting for someone to point out the huge, glaring omission that I must be overlooking.

And do you honestly think I would be daft enough to use this particular forum to get validation that my choice of a Symbian OS device manufactured by Nokia is the correct choice?!?! ha ha ha ha ha
 
If anything, your constant stream of pro-N8 material makes you look a tad insecure. It's as if you need the reassurance of others to validate your decision.

Quite the contrary, I keep looking for someone to point out some tangible reasons why it is not the obvious choice. It has seemed that way to me since I heard of it's release and I'm eagerly waiting for someone to point out the huge, glaring omission that I must be overlooking.

And do you honestly think I would be daft enough to use this particular forum to get validation that my choice of a Symbian OS device manufactured by Nokia is the correct choice?!?! ha ha ha ha ha

Before you ninja-edit again, I'll take your omission of the first paragraph of my post as a sign of agreement. Thanks.
 
As an aside...

As far as the N8, although we’ve yet to give it a thorough review, the hour or two that I spent playing with it left me a bit underwhelmed. I was genuinely excited for the device, and while the hardware is solid (though a bit plasticky feeling and very light weight), Symbian^3 is just not where I hoped it would be. Astonishing camera aside, I’m going to take a pass on the N8 for now and set my sights for the N9.

from here

You can find shyte on the 'net to support just about any opinion on any matter - it doesn't necessarily make it unequivocally true.
 
Before you ninja-edit again, I'll take your omission of the first paragraph of my post as a sign of agreement. Thanks.

I'll likewise take your ignoring of my entire post as a sign of you conceding that I am right.

If you would like me to humour you in your discussion about aeroplanes then I think you'll find the reason the N82 still appears there is because great camera cell phones are so few and far between. Look at that grid again and see how many score highly for camera stills in normal but particularly in low light.

The fact that it is still there again shows what great devices Nokia makes... so thanks for pointing that out actually :)
 
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As an aside...

You can find shyte on the 'net to support just about any opinion on any matter - it doesn't necessarily make it unequivocally true.

Indeed you can... but when a review starts off by saying "although we’ve yet to give it a thorough review, the hour or two that I spent playing with it" I usually totally disregard anything else that has been said and refer back to this article from a far more reputable source (and yes I have posted this numerous times now):

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8_gets_lots_of_stick_in_early_reviews_we_wonder_why-news-1973.php

Seems like a bit of a bandwagon really. It benefits the site by appealing to those who want to hear these things about Nokia (they appear in the majority as everyone seems to like seeing the little guy winning over the big guy after all). It is far easier to just go with the flow than buck the trend.
 
Indeed you can... but when a review starts off by saying "although we’ve yet to give it a thorough review, the hour or two that I spent playing with it" I usually totally disregard anything else that has been said and refer back to this article from a far more reputable source (and yes I have posted this numerous times now):

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n8_gets_lots_of_stick_in_early_reviews_we_wonder_why-news-1973.php

Seems like a bit of a bandwagon really. It benefits the site by appealing to those who want to hear these things about Nokia (they appear in the majority as everyone seems to like seeing the little guy winning over the big guy after all). It is far easier to just go with the flow than buck the trend.

Maybe - only mainstream user experience will confirm opinion one way or the other in the end. As for some counterweight I suppose techradar also wouldn't be reputable enough in your opinion?

We liked

We enjoyed a lot of things about the Nokia N8 once we had become used to the foibles of the UI.

The media experience is cracking, if a bit simplistic, and the performance above average.

The camera works well in most conditions, and the video recording lives up to its word – it really is high definition and looks it.

The range of video and audio codecs supported is dizzying, and even those it's not supposed to play back still work.

Widgets are a nice touch, and one we wish Apple would get involved with. Talking of which, being able to watch Flash video on the handset was brilliant too (when it worked).

The anodised aluminium shell is likely to win a fair few admirers, and the Nokia N8 is streets, towns, even counties ahead in terms of battery life compared to some phones, easily offering a two day use under normal conditions.

We disliked

Symbian^3 and the UI. Everything that we didn't like about this phone can be traced back to the user interface and Nokia's stubborn approach to updating its ageing platform and user interaction.

Basically, Symbian^3 feels like the old version of S60 with a spot of spit-and-shine and some new features on top – more home screens, added widgets and multi-touch do not suddenly make it a decent smartphone platform.

Essentially, the Nokia N8 works in the same way as the Nokia N97 and the Nokia X6 should have worked when they were released, offering swift operation and a bevy of cooler features, instead of the bug-filled handsets we were given.

The internet browser still feels like a throwback to phones of yesteryear, and the lack of QWERTY keyboard in portrait mode beggars belief.

No decent games included from the start mean many won't get to realise the full power of the GPU until you really start exploring the Ovi Store – and to be honest, the other handsets' (like iPhone 4) performance would probably far outstrip it anyway, when you consider the range on offer and the addition of elements like the gyroscope and equally impressive GPUs.

Verdict

We started off really not enjoying the Nokia N8 – it has so many little things that are far inferior to the competition from the outset that it was hard to find the treasure within.

Having been ardent fans of Nokia in a past life, it's not fun seeing phones like the N8 coming out – yes, it's not a bad phone overall, but given the sheer weight of resources behind its development we can't help but wonder how things haven't improved to a class-leading performance yet.

If a smaller company like Acer had made the N8, we'd be congratulating it on an excellent device to build on in the future – but this is the biggest mobile manufacturer in the world we're talking about here.

What's weird is there's nothing disastrously wrong with the Nokia N8 – the elements like media playback and FM transmitter are pretty darn good, and things like Bluetooth 3.0 are a real nice touch.

But the UI has become all important on a mobile phone these days and Nokia hasn't managed to nail that yet. Slow moving home screens, a convoluted apps system and very confusing social networking integration show how behind the times the Nokia N8 is.

Instead of the Dolby Digital output and 12MP camera, we'd have preferred it if Nokia just made a phone that operated as well as the likes of Apple, Samsung and HTC's best.

The Nokia N8 is a decent enough phone, that manages to perform its tasks ably and offers up some nice headline specs.

However, it lacks in terms of wow factor for the software experience – let's just hope MeeGo can provide the smartphone platform to put Nokia back towards the head of the smartphone game.

If you've always used Nokia phones, are a real Symbian fan and know how to use it top to bottom, or you've never played with a smartphone before, then the Nokia N8 works well. You'll get a top notch camera, a good battery life and a more-than-useful media player.

But today's smartphone war isn't played out on the hardware battlefield any more - it's on the user experience as company's battle to impress consumers looking for their next expensive purchase.

To that end, Apple, Google, Palm and even Microsoft have come up with something completely new to improve the smartphone experience for the user.

Nokia still hasn't mastered that with the N8 - sure, there's a lot you can do with it, but by the same token the user experience still needs to be as glossy as the specs if Nokia expects the undecided user to choose the N8 over other more mature smartphone platforms on the market today.

This is a much better Nokia phone than anything the company has ever created (apart from the N900, which always felt like more of a side project than anything else) but it's still a decent user experience (and a few other foibles) away from being anywhere near an industry-leading device, and that's what Nokia needs right now.
 
Just started reading and already I am thinking WTF. What does this mean?

The media experience is cracking, if a bit simplistic, and the performance above average.

:confused:


On reading further I again find that the review says very little to dissuade me. The only negative is Symbian^3. Now all reviews mention it being a huge improvement on S60V5. I use S60V3 and am very happy with it. If that is the only complaint then I really have no problem.

Some people seem to get more thrills from a phone that graphically looks like you can fold down the corner of a page and other pretty graphics and animations. Perhaps as a result of being older these little things really don't impress me.

This is the first release of S^3. There is already talk on the development forum about different keyboard configurations.

Software can be updated. Hardware can't. If all that is "wrong" with this phone is software then I am sold.

User experience this. User experience that! If I want a great experience I go to Disney Land or uShaka marine world! I want a phone that's hardware makes me go "oooh". Fsuk the American market for trying to dictate what I find important in a phone.

The almost one thousand comments on GSM Arena in response to the article on negative reports on the N8 bear testament to the enthusiasm and excitement about this phone. Seriously fsuk this America-centric attitude that pervades our lives!
 
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