Which would you pick?

ToxicBunny said:
Eikona.. Don't bring no fake facts to this damnit.

I do find those lists interesting.
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Expanding it to 5 years.

Global Top 100 Best-Selling Cars (2020–2025 Average)
Rank,Model,Brand Origin,Category
1,Toyota RAV4,Japan,SUV
2,Toyota Corolla,Japan,Sedan/Hatch
3,Tesla Model Y,USA,Electric SUV
4,Honda CR-V,Japan,SUV
5,Ford F-Series,USA,Pickup Truck
6,Toyota Camry,Japan,Sedan
7,Hyundai Tucson,South Korea,SUV
8,Chevrolet Silverado,USA,Pickup Truck
9,Toyota Hilux,Japan,Pickup Truck
10,Tesla Model 3,USA,Electric Sedan
11,Ram Pickup,USA,Pickup Truck
12,Honda Civic,Japan,Sedan/Hatch
13,Toyota Corolla Cross,Japan,SUV
14,BYD Song,China,SUV
15,Kia Sportage,South Korea,SUV
16,Volkswagen Tiguan,Germany,SUV
17,Toyota Yaris,Japan,Hatchback
18,Honda HR-V,Japan,SUV
19,Nissan Rogue/X-Trail,Japan,SUV
20,Mazda CX-5,Japan,SUV
21,Volkswagen Golf,Germany,Hatchback
22,BYD Qin Plus,China,Sedan
23,Wuling Hongguang Mini EV,China,Electric Hatch
24,GMC Sierra,USA,Pickup Truck
25,Hyundai Elantra,South Korea,Sedan
26,Toyota Highlander,Japan,SUV
27,Honda Accord,Japan,Sedan
28,Ford Ranger,USA,Pickup Truck
29,Nissan Sentra/Sylphy,Japan,Sedan
30,Toyota Tacoma,Japan,Pickup Truck
31,Jeep Grand Cherokee,USA,SUV
32,Volkswagen Lavida,Germany,Sedan
33,Dacia Sandero,Romania (Renault Group),Hatchback
34,Renault Clio,France,Hatchback
35,Hyundai Creta,South Korea,SUV
36,BYD Yuan Plus/Atto 3,China,Electric SUV
37,Kia Seltos,South Korea,SUV
38,BMW 3 Series,Germany,Sedan
39,Subaru Forester,Japan,SUV
40,Toyota Yaris Cross,Japan,SUV
41,Mercedes-Benz C-Class,Germany,Sedan
42,Jeep Wrangler,USA,SUV
43,Chevrolet Equinox,USA,SUV
44,Ford Explorer,USA,SUV
45,Volkswagen Polo,Germany,Hatchback
46,Nissan Qashqai,Japan,SUV
47,Suzuki Swift,Japan,Hatchback
48,Tesla Model S,USA,Electric Sedan
49,BYD Dolphin,China,Electric Hatch
50,Audi Q5,Germany,SUV
51,Changan CS75 Plus,China,SUV
52,Toyota Prado,Japan,SUV
53,BMW X3,Germany,SUV
54,Kia Rio,South Korea,Sedan/Hatch
55,Peugeot 208,France,Hatchback
56,Subaru Outback,Japan,Wagon/SUV
57,Mitsubishi Outlander,Japan,SUV
58,Ford Escape/Kuga,USA,SUV
59,Mercedes-Benz GLC,Germany,SUV
60,Hyundai Kona,South Korea,SUV
61,Volkswagen T-Roc,Germany,SUV
62,Toyota Land Cruiser,Japan,SUV
63,Geely Boyue,China,SUV
64,Isuzu D-Max,Japan,Pickup Truck
65,Haval H6,China,SUV
66,Lexus RX,Japan,SUV
67,Ford Transit,USA,Van
68,Toyota Prius,Japan,Hybrid Hatch
69,Honda Fit/Jazz,Japan,Hatchback
70,Nissan Altima,Japan,Sedan
71,Chery Tiggo 7,China,SUV
72,Volkswagen Passat,Germany,Sedan
73,Hyundai Santa Fe,South Korea,SUV
74,Kia Sorento,South Korea,SUV
75,Subaru Crosstrek,Japan,SUV
76,Skoda Octavia,Czech Rep (VW Group),Sedan/Wagon
77,BYD Han,China,Electric Sedan
78,Volvo XC60,Sweden,SUV
79,BMW 5 Series,Germany,Sedan
80,Audi A4,Germany,Sedan
81,MG ZS,China/UK,SUV
82,Maruti Suzuki Swift,India/Japan,Hatchback
83,Volkswagen ID.4,Germany,Electric SUV
84,Jeep Compass,USA,SUV
85,Dacia Duster,Romania (Renault Group),SUV
86,Mazda CX-30,Japan,SUV
87,Chevrolet Trax,USA,SUV
88,GAC Aion S,China,Electric Sedan
89,Kia Forte/Cerato,South Korea,Sedan
90,Toyota Sienna,Japan,Minivan
91,Nissan Frontier/Navara,Japan,Pickup Truck
92,Fiat 500,Italy,Hatchback
93,Ford Maverick,USA,Pickup Truck
94,Renault Captur,France,SUV
95,Hyundai Ioniq 5,South Korea,Electric SUV
96,BYD Seagull,China,Electric Hatch
97,Lexus NX,Japan,SUV
98,Peugeot 3008,France,SUV
99,Geely Emgrand,China,Sedan
100,Toyota Fortuner,Japan,SUV

Only 17 Germans most of them VW.

15 are Chinese with the majority still being Japanese in (ownership) origin.

But here’s the really fun part if you get the data based on where the cars are actually manufactured then 38% of the cars in the list are made in China.

1. The "China Surge" (Manufacturing vs. Brand)
If you sort the Top 100 by Brand Origin, China has about 15% of the list.
If you sort by Manufacturing Location, China's share jumps to nearly 40%.
• Tesla (USA Brand): A huge portion of the Model 3 and Model Y units sold globally (especially in Europe and Asia) are manufactured at Gigafactory Shanghai.
• Volkswagen (German Brand): VW sells millions of cars in China (like the Lavida or Santana). These are 100% manufactured in China through local joint ventures.
• Buick/Chevrolet (USA Brand): Many models sold globally are now designed and built by SAIC-GM in China.
2. The "North American Shift"
While Ford, GM, and Dodge are "American" brands, a massive percentage of their Top 100 volume is manufactured in Mexico and Canada.
• Pickup Trucks: While "Detroit-born," many Chevrolet Silverados and Ram Pickups are assembled in Mexican plants like Silao or Saltillo.
• Toyota & Honda: Conversely, many "Japanese" cars in the Top 100 (like the Toyota RAV4 or Honda CR-V) are actually manufactured in the USA (Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky) or Canada (Ontario) for the North American market.
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*Gemini data source.
 
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SauRoNZA said:
Erm…

Top 50 Best Selling Cars Worldwide (2025)
1. Tesla Model Y – USA
2. Toyota RAV4 – Japan
3. Toyota Corolla – Japan
4. Ford F-Series – USA
5. Honda CR-V – Japan
6. Chevrolet Silverado – USA
7. Toyota Camry – Japan
8. Hyundai Tucson – South Korea
9. Toyota Hilux – Japan
10. Kia Sportage – South Korea
11. Tesla Model 3 – USA
12. Ram Pickup – USA
13. BYD Song Plus (Seal U) – China
14. Geely Xingyuan – China
15. Volkswagen Tiguan – Germany
16. Honda Civic – Japan
17. GMC Sierra – USA
18. BYD Qin Plus – China
19. Toyota Corolla Cross – Japan
20. Nissan Rogue / X-Trail – Japan
21. Dacia Sandero – Romania
22. BYD Seagull (Dolphin Mini) – China
23. Hyundai Elantra – South Korea
24. Volkswagen Golf – Germany
25. Honda Accord – Japan
26. Mazda CX-5 – Japan
27. Wuling Hongguang Mini EV – China
28. Subaru Forester – Japan
29. Ford Ranger – USA
30. Toyota Yaris – Japan
31. Jeep Grand Cherokee – USA
32. Renault Clio – France
33. Nissan Sentra – Japan
34. Kia Seltos – South Korea
35. BMW X3 – Germany
36. Toyota Tacoma – Japan
37. Chevrolet Equinox – USA
38. Volkswagen Polo – Germany
39. BYD Han – China
40. Mercedes-Benz GLC – Germany
41. Subaru Crosstrek – Japan
42. Hyundai Kona – South Korea
43. Ford Explorer – USA
44. Audi Q5 – Germany
45. Peugeot 208 – France
46. Nissan Qashqai – Japan
47. Changan CS75 – China
48. Toyota Highlander – Japan
49. Skoda Octavia – Czech Republic
50. Suzuki Swift – Japan

A whopping 7 are German.
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Erm....
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SauRoNZA said:
Erm…

Top 50 Best Selling Cars Worldwide (2025)
1. Tesla Model Y – USA
2. Toyota RAV4 – Japan
3. Toyota Corolla – Japan
4. Ford F-Series – USA
5. Honda CR-V – Japan
6. Chevrolet Silverado – USA
7. Toyota Camry – Japan
8. Hyundai Tucson – South Korea
9. Toyota Hilux – Japan
10. Kia Sportage – South Korea
11. Tesla Model 3 – USA
12. Ram Pickup – USA
13. BYD Song Plus (Seal U) – China
14. Geely Xingyuan – China
15. Volkswagen Tiguan – Germany
16. Honda Civic – Japan
17. GMC Sierra – USA
18. BYD Qin Plus – China
19. Toyota Corolla Cross – Japan
20. Nissan Rogue / X-Trail – Japan
21. Dacia Sandero – Romania
22. BYD Seagull (Dolphin Mini) – China
23. Hyundai Elantra – South Korea
24. Volkswagen Golf – Germany
25. Honda Accord – Japan
26. Mazda CX-5 – Japan
27. Wuling Hongguang Mini EV – China
28. Subaru Forester – Japan
29. Ford Ranger – USA
30. Toyota Yaris – Japan
31. Jeep Grand Cherokee – USA
32. Renault Clio – France
33. Nissan Sentra – Japan
34. Kia Seltos – South Korea
35. BMW X3 – Germany
36. Toyota Tacoma – Japan
37. Chevrolet Equinox – USA
38. Volkswagen Polo – Germany
39. BYD Han – China
40. Mercedes-Benz GLC – Germany
41. Subaru Crosstrek – Japan
42. Hyundai Kona – South Korea
43. Ford Explorer – USA
44. Audi Q5 – Germany
45. Peugeot 208 – France
46. Nissan Qashqai – Japan
47. Changan CS75 – China
48. Toyota Highlander – Japan
49. Skoda Octavia – Czech Republic
50. Suzuki Swift – Japan

A whopping 7 are German.
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Toyota Camry, now that's a blast from the past.
 
Speedster said:
I don't go to Japan often. But I haven't seen one in SA in yonks.
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Yeah lots of cars don't get sold here anymore:(
Plus for only being sold in Japan it still beat a lot of German cars.
Ah the new one is sold in America and China
 
FiestaST said:
Been following this thread closely & some of the "advice" given here....fork me :oops: :rolleyes:

Some of us like real world examples not just conjecture or stories from someone's brother's uncle's nephew's dog.

I have been following "Car Guy", a proper CC Car Youtuber, for ages.

Back in late August 2025 he picked up a new to him 2015 A3 1.4 TFSI S-Line Sedan, super neat from a reputable place:


1 Hour ago he posted & showed a (non clickbait) vid of said 2015 A3 with under 80k kilos on the clock that schiit the bed. DSG won't allow it to drive, shock face. Flatbed truck ensures.


Watch the vid & note the error message then take your DSG knowledge & then you know most likely answer what is wrong.

Back in 2018 I made this thread, something I witnessed:

FiestaST

Thread 'Reliability of the BMW N47 (diesel engine)'

Simple one.

What is the reliability of N47 2L Diesel engine?

Reason I ask is that I found out the engine seized on my cousin's F20 120d, the pre-f/lift (Angry Birds shape). Mostly likely 2012 MY. 135kw & 380nm. 2nd owner car.

This after the car hit 110 000km. He is not a boy racer & mentioned no warning lights or any indication it would just give up the ghost.

Car was out of Motorplan & BMW SA charged him R7k just to look at the engine.

In the end he did the maths & sold it as is for R70k. Repair cost would have been R70k I was told. New engine all inclusive would have been over...

Will not spell out the point here.
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Why would a car guy sell a Polo to buy a 10 year old Audi?

It's even worse than a BMW out of Motor plan.
 
Car guy normally means. Eks n gomgat wat die kak uit die kar gaan ry en dan gaan hy breek en ek gaan almal behalwe myself blameer.
 
When are you picking up the Jolion? Would love to hear your impressions are having it for a week or so
 
FiestaST said:
Been following this thread closely & some of the "advice" given here....fork me :oops: :rolleyes:

Some of us like real world examples not just conjecture or stories from someone's brother's uncle's nephew's dog.

I have been following "Car Guy", a proper CC Car Youtuber, for ages.

Back in late August 2025 he picked up a new to him 2015 A3 1.4 TFSI S-Line Sedan, super neat from a reputable place:


1 Hour ago he posted & showed a (non clickbait) vid of said 2015 A3 with under 80k kilos on the clock that schiit the bed. DSG won't allow it to drive, shock face. Flatbed truck ensures.


Watch the vid & note the error message then take your DSG knowledge & then you know most likely answer what is wrong.

Back in 2018 I made this thread, something I witnessed:

FiestaST

Thread 'Reliability of the BMW N47 (diesel engine)'

Simple one.

What is the reliability of N47 2L Diesel engine?

Reason I ask is that I found out the engine seized on my cousin's F20 120d, the pre-f/lift (Angry Birds shape). Mostly likely 2012 MY. 135kw & 380nm. 2nd owner car.

This after the car hit 110 000km. He is not a boy racer & mentioned no warning lights or any indication it would just give up the ghost.

Car was out of Motorplan & BMW SA charged him R7k just to look at the engine.

In the end he did the maths & sold it as is for R70k. Repair cost would have been R70k I was told. New engine all inclusive would have been over...

Will not spell out the point here.
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Those DSG gearboxes are literally like ticking time bombs, it’s typically not a case of if but rather when.
Nothing lasts for ever but those things often sht the bed under 100k km which is bs reliability and they can cost a mint to fix.
The VAG dealers will typically charge R50-80k to repair them
 
airborne said:
Those DSG gearboxes are literally like ticking time bombs, it’s typically not a case of if but rather when.
Nothing lasts for ever but those things often sht the bed under 100k km which is bs reliability and they can cost a mint to fix.
The VAG dealers will typically charge R50-80k to repair them
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And will someone like Haval with a 7 year / 200 000km cover replacement of the DSG gearbox
 
zorro5614 said:
And will someone like Haval with a 7 year / 200 000km cover replacement of the DSG gearbox
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That's a good question, does their warranty also cover the gearbox, do they also have something similar to DSG gearboxes?
 
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