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White students 'overlooked'
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why did you choose to come and contaminate this thread with your drivel? Slither off.
What does not kill you, makes you stronger.
I'm glad that you finally discarded that old book.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
I kinda fall under the new regime, I benefited from Apartheid while I was in my very early years at school, but once I got to about std 2 or 3, my school become integrated. Never once did I feel "priviledged" i always had to work my ass off to get where I got. Then when I got into the job market it was and still is really disconcerting to see people get jobs which they don't rightly deserve, or can't do. Until the mentality of BEE or AA is altered so that it benefits the right people, and ensures that only capable people are employed, this country will keep having problems.
You keep on missing it ... when the Israelites rejected god they ended up in isolation...
In this thread alone my man how many rejected god?... How many whites are already in other countries...? Sweet dreams Boet, sweet dreams for you and your buddies... you are living on the peace and grace of previous generations... not this one...
RichardP
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/me adds another name to the 'Ignore' list... what drivel. doudows(whatever) Please go to street corner, find someone willing to give you R2... then phone lifeline - maybe they care what your opinion is.
The sins of Apartheid are now being corrected, which will mean four generations or 160 years, unless this generation repent for the sins of their fathers and their own and accept the price paid on the cross in faith!
Otherwise i'm afraid this generation who has shown a tendency to reject god will indeed be visited by god to be punished for the sins of their fathers...
Go away.
nocilah
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ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
/me adds douwdouw to the ignore list. It is trying to subvert what is a reasoned and decent debate into something completely different...
douwdouw : take your religious musing and keep them to the religious threads, they are NOT welcome here.
douwdouw : take your religious musing and keep them to the religious threads, they are NOT welcome here.
douwdouw said:
Douwdouw, please, don't try to scare people with God. God is benevolent - that's what Christianity tells us. Punishment for the sins of our fathers is Old Testament and is no longer valid since Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Also, please try to refrain from bringing religion into every thread where it not appropriate.
Back on the topic: although I understand the need for affirmative action, I think 13 years of it has been plenty and I feel it is unfair that I, as a white South African, who did not even experience Apartheid, never mind participating in it, should suffer the consequences and be "punished" for something I did not do nor support.
Something I found very odd was that, at a recent prizegiving at Leeuwenhof for the Senior Certificate (Matric) examination results, which I attended, a black student from the South African College Schools was awarded a cash prize for a “disadvantaged individual” who achieved excellent results. Am I missing something here? SACS is one of the most expensive private schools in the country. I mean, I don’t think I know anyone who could afford the school fees, so why am I not considered a “disadvantaged individual” because I attend a somewhat inferior public school?
The process is not just uplifting previously disadvantaged racial groups but also inhibiting the growth of previously advantaged racial groups, regardless of financial status, which I feel is extremely unfair – kind of like a new Apartheid in which the suppressed racial group has been reversed.
The correct course of action, in my opinion, would be to aid financially disadvantaged individuals, regardless of race, rather than to assist racial groups regardless of financial status.
In summary, as long as governmental institutions operate any form of aid project aimed at a specific racial group, Apartheid is not over. Being black does not mean someone is poor nor does being white mean one is rich. Help the poor – not the dark-skinned.
NOTE: Please excuse the long post and inadvertent repetitions of any points made in other posts.
nocilah
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i have no issue with the goal (helping the disadvantaged), i have huge issues with the means to the goal.
i did reap the benefits of being white, but i look at some of the people who were in the same position as me, had the same benefits, if not more, who turned into complete drop outs.
i guess the moral of the story is if you are prepapred to work you will reap the rewards and right now i get the impression that AA is not about improving or rewarding hardwork or good work, but more the colour of your skin.
as the article in this thread has indicated, applicants are being rejected or accepted not on their hard work or goodwork but rather the colour of their skin, which imho only drops the standard of the education facility, and that is not going to benefit ANYONE in this country.
i did reap the benefits of being white, but i look at some of the people who were in the same position as me, had the same benefits, if not more, who turned into complete drop outs.
i guess the moral of the story is if you are prepapred to work you will reap the rewards and right now i get the impression that AA is not about improving or rewarding hardwork or good work, but more the colour of your skin.
as the article in this thread has indicated, applicants are being rejected or accepted not on their hard work or goodwork but rather the colour of their skin, which imho only drops the standard of the education facility, and that is not going to benefit ANYONE in this country.
chiskop
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/ignores doodoo
Oh right. So there was no difference between the education that you received and the education that was available in the townships at the time you were schooling? And there was no difference in the extent to which your education was subsidised compared to the subsidies that black schools received?
Oh right. So there was no difference between the education that you received and the education that was available in the townships at the time you were schooling? And there was no difference in the extent to which your education was subsidised compared to the subsidies that black schools received?
bekdik
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SACS has burseries for disadvantaged individuals, so maybe he was one of those.
For the record: SACS is not a private school. It is a model C school. It is one of the best schools in Cape Town, but is not private. It is therefore fully possible that a disadvantaged person attended school there. This situation was common at the school where I used to teach.
I would agree with that.
orin76
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I'm still unclear about a few things regarding the whole AA issue. What are the consequences to a university/school/organisation of not meeting a given set of race targets over the short to medium term (a year or two)? I'm just trying to figure out why some people feel forced to hire sup-par staff purely on race when there are good non-white workers out there.
Tell that to the old guard at Telkom. They don't know sh*t! My manager at Telkom had only matric as his formal qualification. He was a white afrikaaner. That was true for the majority of managers there. Tell me how did he get that far without any tertiary education? Simple because they ran the show pretty much the way they liked.
If any black person can get a job regardess of whether they can do it or not, then why are so many of them unemployed?
My current position is AA. The minimum requirements were simple, A Bsc, CISSP/ CISM/CISA and five years experience in information security management. I met all of the requirements. But if this was not an AA position, a white guy with 15-20 years experience would have got the job. There were virtually no ppl of colour in this field a dacade ago. Even today there is still very few black women qualified and experienced in this area. SABC has been looking for one for the past six months. According to your theory they can just grab any black female with no experience/qualifications. I'm sorry to say, but it does not work that way!
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