Whiteboard coding in software developer interviews.

[cguy]

So it is a bit more than a membership card. As I implied anyone can call themselves anything but as the ACM states on their opening page, they "Give Credit Where Credit Is Due"; now haggle over words if you must but to be accredited for the work you done or what you've achieved sounds pretty much like an accreditation.

The Nobel Prize is an accreditation too then - similarly, this award is only given to around 100 people a year, and requires that their work be in the public domain, and that they have been ACM members for long enough, when in practice, most of the research is done in industry or government, leaving out most scientists. Also, as an award, it doesn't allow you to start practicing something, I would hardly call this equivalent to what you get in law or medicine, as you stated earlier, and it still isn't a formal accreditation for being called a scientist, it just means that you're a good scientist.

 

[cguy]

Tell me about it, I'm busy with my PHD.

As I said there is no prerequisite to calling yourself anything, formally being accredited for that is something else.

What topic is your PhD on, BTW?

I dare you to go into a hospital and tell people that you're a doctor, or a court room and tell them you're a lawyer. You do realize that you're probably the only person alive who believes that the ACM Senior Member Grade award makes someone a scientist?

 

[[)roi(]]

The Nobel Prize is an accreditation too then - similarly, this award is only given to around 100 people a year, and requires that their work be in the public domain, and that they have been ACM members for long enough, when in practice, most of the research is done in industry or government, leaving out most scientists. Also, as an award, it doesn't allow you to start practicing something, I would hardly call this equivalent to what you get in law or medicine, as you stated earlier, and it still isn't a formal accreditation for being called a scientist, it just means that you're a good scientist.

You know the difference... the practicing bit.... hence it works differently, not required but without it you just another cog in the wheel.
We've certainly beaten this one to death. Good night, catch you on the next debate.

 

[cguy]

You know the difference... the practicing bit.... hence it works differently, not required but without it you just another cog in the wheel.
We've certainly beaten this one to death. Good night, catch you on the next debate.

I think that being a cog in the wheel just because you don't have an award that is only given to ~100 people a year, out of a small subset of the population is a bit of a stretch.

 

[cguy]

Actually I do: from Apple's 2015 financial results, they have 115,000 employees; let's assume 60% (probably too high) are related to their marketing activities, that leaves 46,000. 100 exit interviews represents 0,002% -- it's a rubbish statistic however you try to represent it.

Just saw this. No, it's hundreds, plural, and it's our yearly statistics, so it probably works out to around 2-5% of their yearly software developer hires. The other factor is the strength of the signal, which was very strong (wasn't a slight bias).

 

[[)roi(]]

Just saw this. No, it's hundreds, plural, and it's our yearly statistics, so it probably works out to around 2-5% of their yearly software developer hires. The other factor is the strength of the signal, which was very strong (wasn't a slight bias).

Sorry couldn't leave this one; it was 106 re the link you provided which equates to 0.217% (assuming 60% is marketing), which means nothing.... its a BS statistic, even the Google one at ~ 1,603 means nothing. We'd have more luck visiting a fortune teller. It's about as credible as saying we've noticed a decrease of 0.217% sales drop in China, and then the overzealous journalist jumps up and cries havoc...

 

[cguy]

Sorry couldn't leave this one; it was 106 re the link you provided which equates to 0.217% (assuming 60% is marketing), which means nothing.... its a BS statistic, even the Google one at ~ 1,603 means nothing. We'd have more luck visiting a fortune teller. It's about as credible as saying we've noticed a decrease of 0.217% sales drop in China, and then the overzealous journalist jumps up and cries havoc...

My response was about our hundreds of yearly internal samples, not the links.

 

[Hamster]

This brings me to only one conclusion: you must be Swa.

Bwhahaha!!! I said this to semaphore over lunch break yesterday

 

[[)roi(]]

My response was about our hundreds of yearly internal samples, not the links.

...and are we still assuming these weren't marketing. Google and Apple are very different companies as it relates to their income streams, business activities, ...

Apple keeps far more Marketing resources on staff, so if e.g. "Apple Geniuses" responded then we're not in a position to compare anything & the overall percentages would drop. Either way I think these tyoes of survey are BS. Let me make one as example:

• Google proportionately employs more PHD qualified people that Apple. I could even rework that as a % to make it seem even more credibke. So while this might sound like Google is more research focused than Apple, we should remember Apple carries a larger hoard of Marketing resources which skews these comparisons.

Point being, you can pretty much extrapolate any BS you like and make it appear to be sound statistic.

 

[Ancalagon]

So about those whiteboard tests....

They are too white. We need to transform our whiteboard tests. I think we should paint them black.

Or maybe a muddy brown - more reflective of our demographics.

 

[Hamster]

So about those whiteboard tests....

They are too white. We need to transform our whiteboard tests. I think we should paint them black.

Or maybe a muddy brown - more reflective of our demographics.

White board to lay the foundation, black marker to work it. This is how the world has always been. Stop being weird

 

[Ancalagon]

White board to lay the foundation, black marker to work it. This is how the world has always been. Stop being weird

That's racist. The white board lays the foundation while all of the blacks do all of the work?

 

[cguy]

...and are we still assuming these weren't marketing. Google and Apple are very different companies as it relates to their income streams, business activities, ...

Apple keeps far more Marketing resources on staff, so if e.g. "Apple Geniuses" responded then we're not in a position to compare anything & the overall percentages would drop. Either way I think these tyoes of survey are BS. Let me make one as example:

• Google proportionately employs more PHD qualified people that Apple. I could even rework that as a % to make it seem even more credibke. So while this might sound like Google is more research focused than Apple, we should remember Apple carries a larger hoard of Marketing resources which skews these comparisons.

Point being, you can pretty much extrapolate any BS you like and make it appear to be sound statistic.

What on earth are you on about? These are our engineers becoming their engineers, WTF does marketing have to do with anything?

 

[[)roi(]]

So about those whiteboard tests....

They are too white. We need to transform our whiteboard tests. I think we should paint them black.

Or maybe a muddy brown - more reflective of our demographics.

Isn't that just a chalkboard?

 

[Hamster]

That's racist. The white board lays the foundation while all of the blacks do all of the work?

Sometimes we allow the coloured markers too...

 

[[)roi(]]

What on earth are you on about? These are our engineers becoming their engineers, WTF does marketing have to do with anything?

WTF You didn't share any of this. Still I have my doubts of any validity, "our engineesr" WTFs up with that, thought you were into research? Are you now a recruitment agency?

 

[[)roi(]]

What topic is your PhD on, BTW?

Compiler optimizations

 

[[)roi(]]

Sometimes we allow the coloured markers too...

I really like the msrker's with gold and glitter; bling always make things pretty.

 

[semaphore]

Compiler optimizations

At which institution?

 

[[)roi(]]

At which institution?

Western New England, distance learning