Oh please
SO why isn't he giving grief to all the other "Islamic" countries
. Why then are Muslims moving to America in droves. Don't tell me you see some nut who blows up 500 innocent men, women and children as a brave ‘Muslim’ with grievances 
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Oh please
SO why isn't he giving grief to all the other "Islamic" countries
. Why then are Muslims moving to America in droves. Don't tell me you see some nut who blows up 500 innocent men, women and children as a brave ‘Muslim’ with grievances feo
Honorary Master
Don't tell me you see some nut who blows up 500 innocent men, women and children as a brave ‘Muslim’ with grievances
Yay, something we agree on.
trek_mambo
Senior Member
I Agree in part with you ToxicBunny. But we would be deluded ourselves if we believe that "Democracy" has anything to do with it... its just another hot propaganda word. Their are business interests that need to be satisfied, but there are also people that need to be killed. I can't myself fully grasp the reasons behind this senseless killing of people, I can only think of one thing... they want to provoke us... because dare someone stand up against them then they have reason to go into another war. Complicated, but it has nothing to do with "Fixing their Country" or "Democracy" or "Freedom" its all about enslavement and warmongery.
btw the documentary referred to is called "Zeitgeist"... please watch it with a very open mind.
@Alanf85 I think I finally understand you... you deliberately say things to provoke rational thought so that someone else can say something that you actually agree with but don't have the balls to say yourself. Nice
Alanf85 I know you are really a reasonable person on some deep level and to an extent (maybe not entirely) agree with me on this. So just do me a favour and watch the video below:
http://video.google.com/videopopup?...ipped+Population+-+Google+Video+-+Full+Screen
Why is it that you lot can believe a leader of a democratic country who’s citizens all have rights.. A country that is so enviable that people are moving there in their millions is somehow this 'evil' warmonger ( remember Churchill
) with a free press who mainly lie to undermine him. Yet on the other hand you having a raving religious lunatic sponsoring terrorist groups killing innocent people because they don't share the same extreme ideology. Calling for the destruction of a sovereign state, curtailing free speech, oppressing woman, slaughtering his citizens for crimes like "indecent acts", claims to have no gay citizens and blatantly disobeys U.N resolutions regarding his nuke program. Somehow this guy is harmless, "trying to survive on his own", doesn't want to spread his ideology and is generally a reasonable chap.The only conclusion is you're blinded by your Anti American prejudice. That by default America is the evil one and everybody is a victim of their ‘imperialism’. I guess if you're so insecure it's reassuring if they're the true "baddies" since for you they aren't really that bad. I mean for a an evil empire it's citizens seem to be happy and so do many of their conquered 'victims' like Western Europe and S.Korea.
You need America to "evil" because you can't handle the reality. It's the '30s all over again
feo
Honorary Master
alanf, I'd be stunned if you were really born in '85.
trek_mambo
Senior Member
Why is it that you lot can believe a leader of a democratic country who’s citizens all have rights.. A country that is so enviable that people are moving there in their millions is somehow this 'evil' warmonger ( remember Churchill
The only conclusion is you're blinded by your Anti American prejudice. That by default America is the evil one (I Agree, They Are the Evil ones - maybe even Lucifer personified) and everybody is a victim of their ‘imperialism’ (This is actually a FACT- good research). I guess if you're so insecure it's reassuring if they're the true "baddies" since for you they aren't really that bad (The Absence of Evidence is not the Evidence of Absence). I mean for a an evil empire it's citizens seem to be happy and so do many of their conquered 'victims' like Western Europe and S.Korea. ( Entirely your own opinion)
You need America to "evil" because you can't handle the reality. It's the '30s all over again
For fun I just went trough your post and highlighted the bullshlt. Yet again a brilliant effort at provoking me into giving another coherent logical factfilled Post to further our goal
Note how Alan uses some classic Propaganda tools, Rash generalizations,
Name Calling and also a classic tool in propaganda: conveying Opinion as Fact.
I see right through you Alanf85 you think by swimming against the steam you wouldn't have to feel like one of the sheep running away from the burning hell behind... don't worry you will feel the burn of fighting for the US once they draft your ass to kill woman and children in some random 'brown' country.
Yet another great post. I commend you.
Yes I know I'm wise beyond my years
For fun I just went trough your post and highlighted the bullshlt. Yet again a brilliant effort at provoking me into giving another coherent logical factfilled Post to further our goal
Note how Alan uses some classic Propaganda tools, Rash generalizations,
Name Calling and also a classic tool in propaganda: conveying Opinion as Fact.
I see right through you Alanf85 you think by swimming against the steam you wouldn't have to feel like one of the sheep running away from the burning hell behind... don't worry you will feel the burn of fighting for the US once they draft your ass to kill woman and children in some random 'brown' country.
Yet another great post. I commend you.
Well come on prove what I said was wrong and back it up with facts?
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trek_mambo
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Yes I know I'm wise beyond my years
Well come on prove what I said was wrong with backed up facts? (I like the question mark after the statement- makes it fun to say out loud)
Buddy, you clearly didn't watch that video I gave you to watch hey.
It's simple: By comparing ideologies by which countries are run by its as ridiculous as comparing Religions with one another... you just can't compare them and call one good and the other bad... I say this for a simple reason: It's called general consensus. The people of a country over a long period of time develop their own way of doing things, they later become Dependant on the system they set up based on their ideologies because it has been a trailed and tested way of doing things. For example: If you bake pancakes you bake them based on the recipe that you know works, but in this process it takes a lot of trails and tribulations to get to the perfect recipe. Now another person uses a different recipe, he goes through the same difficult process as you to get to that perfect recipe and he loves his own pancakes.
Now you come to his house with a gun to his head and force feed him your recipe because you think its better than his. (does that make sense) So basically you are raping this other man of the ability to have his pancake the way he likes it, and now once you leave him (with some dead bodies in the kitchen surely) the poor mans children has to eat your dry thick pieces of shlt pancakes you think is better than that they have come to love from their now dead father.
Democracy is an Ideology. Capitalism is an System based on Ideology. Religion is an Ideology. Let these people have there Pancake as they like if ffs.
btw Iraq was a very progressive and foward thinking FIRST WORLD NATION before America blew the shlt out of it. Iraq is home to one of the first CIVILIZATIONS, and you and your America BLEW IT UP!
In the past. Yet in Iran today it still happening. You say nothing.
Strange then that they're moving there in droves. You'd think they would leave? Still in Iran Muslims are tortured yet again you say nothing.
You didn't have a problem when Saddam's soldiers came running into their home killing them.
Brothers? LOL
Ever heard of the Iran, Iraq war? You are clueless. Sunni, Kurds and even many Iraqi Shias don't think of them as brothers. How absurd
Bwahahahahaha
So then if Israel is attacked America should defend them?
LOL now the race card
What media? please tell me
LOL in your sick twisted mind nazism should have then been allowed?
Oh my what a load of delusional BS. Iraq was a disaster before the war. Sanctions alone had killed off 100 000s of innocent people. Something you didn't have a problem with. You proclaim hatred for the U.S because they bomb 'innocent people' which is BS anyway but you have no problem killing off millions through sanctions. Seems you're not very observant towards your religion
Iraq progressive under Saddam. Really you are something
trek_mambo
Senior Member
1.) In the past. Yet in Iran today it still happening. You say nothing.
2.) Strange then that they're moving there in droves. You'd think they would leave? Still in Iran Muslims are tortured yet again you say nothing.
3.) You didn't have a problem when Saddam's soldiers came running into their home killing them.
4.) Brothers? LOL
Ever heard of the Iran, Iraq war? You are clueless. Sunni, Kurds and even many Iraqi Shias don't think of them as brothers. How absurd
5.)Bwahahahahaha
So then if Israel is attacked America should defend them?
LOL now the race card
6.)What media? please tell me
7.)LOL in your sick twisted mind nazism should have then been allowed?
8.)Oh my what a load of delusional BS. Iraq was a disaster before the war. Sanctions alone had killed off 100 000s of innocent people. Something you didn't have a problem with. You proclaim hatred for the U.S because they bomb 'innocent people' which is BS anyway but you have no problem killing off millions through sanctions. Seems you're not very observant towards your religion
9.)Iraq progressive under Saddam. Really you are something
Okay let me address every aspect of your well structured post.
1.) Violence in Iran is close to non-existent. You like many other US gov brown-nosers always find it convenient to claim that the countries you invade "need your help" when in fact you have no real solid evidence that the state of the country is really chaotic at all. Show me footage in which this violence is so much worst than the gang wars and ruthless killings happening in any country in the world, especially the US (I have seen brutal videos of killings and violence from the states - and I don't mean fictional). South Africa is one of the most Violent countries in the WORLD! but because a few people decide they will do crime and kill does that justify the US to drop bombs on Cape Town or JHB?
2.) I myself have not seen proof of Muslims moving there in droves, but I'll take your word for it. But you know there is a very simple answer to this mass immigration of Muslims into the US... it's because their homes are being BOMBED by America. Pretty simple... kinda like refugees. Also probably a bit safer from the US's military arm when you live in the US...I mean no chance they will bomb themselves... (or maybe there is... 9/11
)3.) Saddam as you can remember was not perfect at all... he was inhumane... he was violent and he was ruthless. So the US had to teach him how to be humane... I mean that is why they invaded... *cough* oops not invaded... rescued Iraq. So how do you teach a naughty child to behave... you give him a spank or ground him and tell him to go to his room... what does the very humane US do? THEY F*CKING MURDER HIM ON LIVE TELEVISION!!!
4.) I know very well about the war between Iraq and Iran... but read above and my previous posts to put this into context. And siblings often fight over small things.
5.) I wish you were more informed on the topic of US/Israel ties... would have been interesting to debate with you on the subject. Google: "Why does US support Israel" and read a few different pages on the subject.
6.)All Media. I'm sorry but it seems once again that you are not well read up on the topic so it's not a debate I am going to enter with you on.
7.)I don't support NAZI's but if you read up and watch Zeitgeist or just go in on it you will find the businesses in the US funded NAZI Germany's war-machine. (before you call me a conspiracy theorist because you don't know what I'm taking about... go read up on it)
8.) Iraq was not a disaster zone... that is your opinion. That is popular belief that they were a disaster zone. They were in fact very well off. I mean they did supply Russia, China, South Africa and many other countries in the vast world Oil. But yet again I don't expect you to know this... you are after all very uninformed.
9.) See everything that I have said here on this forum, then go do your own research on pre-Invasion Iraq and you might find yourself enlightened.
Overall your style of argument far out weighs the content in your arguments.
Once again we both win Alanf85, you have provoked me and thus got me to say exactly what you wanted me to say
Once M8, there is proof how life came into existence and that there is no god then I will make Occams Razor my god Toxicbunny...