Who will win the US elections this year?

[Jet-Fighter7700]

I'm talking about reality you're spouting off about some imaginary possibility

reality is Mandela was he that bad? and how old was he?

 

[Brian_G]

Why did he lose the election if he was supposedly doing so much right?

You really never heard about all the cheating?

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

maybe we are, maybe we aren't, after all without Mandela, wouldn't there have been one big civil war, possibly involving Nukes?
I mean if somebody nuked a township and made a few million corpses instantly, would there be peace? would we have a country that semi peacefully moved to democracy?

Kak man. The nats would have buckled under sanctions and civil war would have happened anyway. Transition to democracy was inevitable with or without Mandela...

 

[Agent_Smith]

US elections are akin to wearing the same pair of underwear, just turning them inside out every few years to air them out once you have properly soiled one side.

As the saying goes, 'Politicians are like diapers. They should be changed regularly, and for the same reasons.'

 

[Brian_G]

Some old folk blossom and have more to offer, but not many. There should be a test.

 

[ShaunSA]

reality is Mandela was he that bad? and how old was he?

Yes he was. History is a harsh judge once the rainbow colored blinkers are removed

As for age he was passed his sell-by date when he became President

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

Kak man. The nats would have buckled under sanctions and civil war would have happened anyway. Transition to democracy was inevitable with or without Mandela...

but would it have been peaceful? would we have had a coup?
mandela for all the hate, did do one thing, managed to keep people from killing each other,

was he old, yip, was he stupid, dont think so, was he k@k, maybe,
but without him, would SA be a democracy? or a tin pot dictatorship like everywhere else in Africa.

 

[EADC]

The usual reminder

 

[Carl_Johnson]

Why did he lose the election if he was supposedly doing so much right?

Did he though?

 

[RedViking]

Honestly these days i'm feeling Trump will be doing less destroying than Biden's administration has...

They should be hiring 6-star hotels and having meetings and discussion with Putin, Xi and friends. Not making idle threats over the news. For starters.. and then also leave big business alone, they generate the money the country needs.

Trump and Co. will literally burn America to the ground if he can.

Biden and Co. uses a cancer.

Both destroy.

 

[Quicks]

As always is the case The ANC or politicians in general are seldom affected by any form of punitive or retaliatory measures, its actually the masses who suffer and we will be kidding ourselves if we though the ANC cares about anyone except themselves.

True, but you can be sure they will put up a show.

 

[Flanders]

And the South African simps are also a strange breed. Observing them is like slowing down to watch a car crash with morbid fascination.

Ditto for the sleepy joe zealots and their Dark Brandon delusions.

It's just a stutter, you ableist!

 

[Brian_G]

It's said that politics reflects what the mindset of the people is. Horrible thought, for us too!

 

[ISP cash cow]

I hope it's Trump. It's such a good laugh watching him lie and the red necks swallowing it.

And the South African simps are also a strange breed. Observing them is like slowing down to watch a car crash with morbid fascination.

So come on the Donald. Yee haw!!!!

This!!

I love watching the Trumpites discussing why they actually vote for the guy. Sometimes it is even better when they get themselves all tongue tied and confused about what they are saying and eventually just walk off in a huff.

Its so cringeworthy (and I actually feel bad for them) but for some reason I just cant stop watching.

 

[konfab]

It's said that politics reflects what the mindset of the people is. Horrible thought, for us too!

It actually doesn't. I give you Arrow's impossibility theorem:

Arnold Kling is not satisfied with Tyler’s popularization of Arrow’s impossibility theorem asking (in the comments) “what exactly did Arrow show was impossible?” Here is my attempt.

• Andy walks into an ice-cream shop and seeing that they have chocolate, strawberry and vanilla, orders chocolate. Before the vendor has a chance to scoop the ice cream she says, “Sorry, we are out of strawberry.” “In that case,” Andy says, “I’ll have vanilla.” Strange right? Yet however strange we might think this behavior is for Andy it is routine when groups make choices (just substitute Bush, Nader, and Gore for chocolate, strawberry and vanilla.) (Failure of IIA.)
• Andy likes sprinkles on his ice cream. Andy walks into the ice-cream shop and seeing that they have chocolate, strawberry and vanilla chooses chocolate. Before the vendor has a chance to scoop the ice cream she says “Today, chocolate comes with free sprinkles.” “In that case,” Andy says, “I’ll have vanilla.” Strange right? Yet once again it is easy to show that improving an option can result in a group rejecting that option (n.b. no psychology is involved in this result). (Failure of positive association.)
• Andy walks into a supermarket and is offered apples or bananas and chooses apples. Andy is then offered bananas or coconuts and chooses bananas. Andy is then offered apples or coconuts and Andy chooses coconuts. (A>B, B>C but C>A). Strange right? Not only is this strange, if Andy has preferences like this the supermarket can take all his money with a money pump. Once again, however, it is quite possible for groups to cycle in just this way even if every individual in the group has perfectly normal (transitive) preferences. (Failure of transitivity).

Paradoxes such as the above have been known for centuries. What Arrow showed is that no decision mechanism can eliminate all of these types of paradoxes. (n.b. Arrow’s theorem actually applies to any mechanism for aggregating any rankings not just voting and not just preferences.) We can tamp down some paradoxes but only at the expense of creating others (or eliminating democracy altogether.)

More generally, what Arrow showed is that group choice (aggregation) is not like individual choice.

Suppose that a person is rational and that we observe their choices. After some time we will come to understand their choices in terms of their underlying preferences (assume stability–this is a thought experiment). We will be able to say, “Ah, I see what this person wants. I understand now why they are choosing in the way that they do. If I were them, I would choose in the same way.”

Arrow showed that when a group chooses, there are no underlying preferences to uncover–not even in theory. In one sense, the theorem is trivial. We know or should always have known that a group doesn’t have preferences anymore than a group smiles. What Arrow showed, however, is that without invoking special cases we can’t even rationalize group choices as if leviathan had preferences. Put differently, the only leviathan that rationalizes group choice has the preferences of a madman.

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/10/popularizing-arrows-theorem-ii.html

 

[Moosedrool]

Probably Trump.

 

[Carl_Johnson]

I hope it's Trump. It's such a good laugh watching him lie and the red necks swallowing it.

And the South African simps are also a strange breed. Observing them is like slowing down to watch a car crash with morbid fascination.

So come on the Donald. Yee haw!!!!

What does he lie about?

 

[ShaunSA]

but would it have been peaceful? would we have had a coup?
mandela for all the hate, did do one thing, managed to keep people from killing each other,

was he old, yip, was he stupid, dont think so, was he k@k, maybe,
but without him, would SA be a democracy? or a tin pot dictatorship like everywhere else in Africa.

So many woulds I could build a forest

What makes you think we aren't headed to a tin pot dictatorship like everywhere else in Africa btw? Maybe try removing the rainbow tinted blinkers sometime

 

[Brian_G]

So many woulds I could build a forest

What makes you think we aren't headed to a tin pot dictatorship like everywhere else in Africa btw? Maybe try removing the rainbow tinted blinkers sometime

Just move to (or stay put in) the Republic of the Western Cape..

 

[rh1]

I like Vivek, he seems to have thought about the various issues USA faces and at least have solutions to these problems. He is relatively young. Not sure if USA is ready for an Indian president though. Saw he dropped out.