Johnatan56
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Can you define the feeling of being alive?
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Why a computer can never be conscious
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Sorry Jings, but this is inevitable. We (humans) are creating networks and extremely fast data streams that will soon, if not already, surpass the human brain.
My point exactly, the feeling of being alive is non computational. How do you even begin to define it?
Johnatan56
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So if you can't define it, how can you rule out that a machine will never be able to have that same feeling as you can't test for it?
I will believe that the day an IA can think about the significance of existing.
But we are able to convey that we cannot define it or fully describe the feeling. Would a machine be able to do the same?
Johnatan56
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How do you know unless you try? And how do you rule it out already if we don't know enough about it, not even enough to properly define it?
That might not be relevant to an AI that can think quicker than all of us humans put together. Existential angst will likely not apply to AI's.
Or, as as I have stated before, NBI's
Most of our "feelings"are simply biological impulses that made us the dominant species on this planet.
You don’t have to code it, that’s the purpose of Machine Learning - these features can be emergent.
Much like our emergence. I've read that that highly intelligent people who program "algorithms" into substrates or whatever you want to call them, cannot fathom why the results are what they are.
Why do you mean by try? People have been trying to describe the emotion they feel about existing for hundreds and thousands of years. Some people took the philosophical approach, others wrote poems, songs or drew it. To date nobody can adequately define it.
While that is true, it means AI is not true AI because without consciousness, they just learn what they're programmed to learn.
Emergent from what? How do you compute non computation?
Emergent from experience, specifically training data. It is computation, just not type we can code directly.
If the experience cannot be defined it is non computational.
Sir Roger Penrose explains it eloquently.
Just because you (or I) cannot communicate a definition for it, does not mean it cannot be defined. That it is in fact encoded in our brains, means that it can be defined.
BTW, I’ve met Penrose. Interesting chap.
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There is non-coding DNA in our physiology. How do you know for a fact that non computational is encoded?
Tell us about your encounter with Penrose.
Why is non-coding DNA relevant? The only high speed information network in our body is the brain, and everything we know, emotions, think, etc. is encoded in its structure.
Penrose gave a talk at UCT in the 90’s, which I attended. We didn’t discuss his work in depth or anything afterwards, just chit chat.
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Non-coding DNA cannot be completely copied.
But how do you know everything is encoded the way we understand it? How is it proven that everything is encoded in its structure?
Encredible how much knowledge Penrose has shared with students everywhere. And still have time to work on theories, write books and conduct interviews.