Why Africa has gone to hell

[MidnightWizard]

Very SAD

I am very disturbed and saddened by all the useless cr@p you people post here.

You seem to be an intelligent bunch

BUT

Your understanding of ANY aspect of human social affairs like --
history , politics , economics , comparitive geography and history ( especially the colonisation of the North American continent ) is just plain missing.

Is there not ONE person who can post a lengthy detailed INTELLIGENT entry with proper academic / formal references
and
not just a whole lot of thumbsuck NONSENSE.

IF this is the raw material we have to man the barricades then I am NOT very optimistic for the future


Has anybody ever seen photos of the airport in LUANDA in November 1975 ????

This is RECENT history right on YOUR doorstep.

FLight from Angola
Aug 16th 1975 | From The Economist print edition
The Portuguese are calling it the greatest exodus in the history of Africa, and they are right.
Not even the Congo, where in 1960 the white population fell from 110,000 to 20,000 between January and July, was like what is happening in Angola now.
Angola's 500,000 or so white people, nearly all of them Portuguese, have had enough.
Although the bitter fighting between rival nationalist groups has had little or no racial overtone as yet, the whites expect to be turned on at any time.
The result is that just about anyone who can get out is trying to.

Here we have the Rhodesian War and Mugabe right on YOUR doorstep.


So MUCH information available so EASILY -- and all you can post is CR@P

With a bit of effort and time you could read ( proper serious academic books and articles ) about the whole history of Africa.

Why not start with
THEODORE and the Abyssinian campaign
read the sanitised version

Narrative of the British Mission to Theodore King of Abyssinia
Read the REAL version

Try and fit in one of Wilbur Smiths early books "The SUNBIRD" along the way.

Favourite Novel
# Cool Facts sent in by Tony Moffit: Wilbur's favourite novel is 'The Sunbird'.
It has special significance for him because it was the first novel he wrote after meeting Danielle.-His personal stationery has a small, royal blue sunbird at the top -
I've got two of his handwritten letters to prove it.-His property in Constantina is called 'Sunbird Hill' -If you look on the bottom right hand corner of all his hardcover books, actually printed into the cover is an impression of the same sunbird that is on his stationery.-
River God/ Seventh Scroll were on Wilbur's mind as early as 1990. When he was in Australia promoting Golden Fox, we spoke on the phone at some length.
He said he was heading back to Africa to take a cruise down the Nile because he "had a few ideas about trying to do another Sunbird" sometime in the future.-
Wilbur told me his first novel, which has never seen the light of day, was rejected nearly 20 times. It's still unpublished. he now keeps that book in a safe place and whenever he starts to believe his own publicity he gets the book out to bring himself back to earth.

In the end I will have NO sympathy for you -- you could so EASILY have learnt -- but threw away ALL the opportunities.

But I suppose that is the "Boer" way -- ONLY interested in as much as he can see from the front stoep.

MW

 

[Jola]

... especially the colonisation of the North American continent ...

I presume that you are talking about the Bering land bridge, when humans first colonised North America from Eurasia ?

I'm not sure whether that is relevant to a discussion on why Africa has gone to hell ?

And everyone knows why Africa has gone to hell - there really is no need to discuss it !

 

[MidnightWizard]

Too True

I presume that you are talking about the Bering land bridge, when humans first colonised North America from Eurasia ?

NO -- I am talking about The Founding Fathers and PLYMOUTH ROCK.

I'm not sure whether that is relevant to a discussion on why Africa has gone to hell ?

It is EXTREMELY relevant --
The history of the colonisation of North America by WHITES
HAS
MANY similarities with the colonisation of AFRICA by WHITES.

It is the differences that are MOST significant.

And everyone knows why Africa has gone to hell - there really is no need to discuss it !

I am not sure if you realise that you are exhibiting another "Boer" characteristic

IGNORANT INTOLERANT ARROGANCE


MW

 

[Ancalagon]

So whites are still to blame for Africa being messed up some 50 years after independence?

 

[Mila]

But I suppose that is the "Boer" way -- ONLY interested in as much as he can see from the front stoep.

MW

And the "African" way is to make like locusts and destroy everything in their way.

Your generalization is sickening. Your post like usual totally focused on your own agenda.
From our stoep after years of seeing and exploring all continents... yeah well it's still better to be a boer than anything else. IMO.

Now Educate us MW, and remember that education is not a one way street.

 

[Mila]

So whites are still to blame for Africa being messed up some 50 years after independence?

No It's whites fault because they are white. Not what they have done. Just because passing the buck is easier than admitting you made a mistake. Accountability sucks ass.

 

[R13...]

And the "African" way is to make like locusts and destroy everything in their way. Your generalization is sickening. Your post like usual totally focused on your own agenda.
From our stoep after years of seeing and exploring all continents... yeah well it's still better to be a boer than anything else. IMO.

Now Educate us MW, and remember that education is not a one way street.

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black...

No It's whites fault because they are white. Not what they have done. Just because passing the buck is easier than admitting you made a mistake. Accountability sucks ass.

Is there a single place on the continent were independence was gained through peaceful means? There's a start for you, before you go generalising

 

[Ancalagon]

Is there a single place on the continent were independence was gained through peaceful means? There's a start for you, before you go generalising

What difference does that make? America's independence was more violent than any single independence in Africa as far as I know. The French even got involved! Yet they turned out alright.

Point being - a peaceful independence has no effect on the stability of the state afterwards. Only the way that the country is run affects that, and given how many coups, corrupt dictatorships and dictators for life we see in Africa, there isnt much stability at all. But I guess thats because of colonialism right?

 

[Jola]

IGNORANT INTOLERANT ARROGANCE

That seems to be very much what you are doing !!! And extremely successfully, I might add.

It seems that you didn't even know that North America was first colonised across the Bering land bridge - who cares about the founding fathers !

Maybe you should go and read some more, it seems that you have lost your perspective !

 

[Albereth]

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black...


Is there a single place on the continent were independence was gained through peaceful means? There's a start for you, before you go generalising

Lesotho, Swaziland, Botswana, South Africa, Zambia, Malawi, Tanzania, Rwanda, etc, etc, etc.

You should ask how many African countries have had a democratic change in government. That is a very short list.

 

[Mila]

Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black...


Is there a single place on the continent were independence was gained through peaceful means? There's a start for you, before you go generalising

Me and the rolley eyes soz. Will insert.

this stupid tug of war about what is mine and yours is childish. If The guavament wants it. Buy the farms that are for Sale or make an offer. And then hold that land in a trust to give to the farmers in their plan, make sure that those that can farm get the land you hand out. I do not care if blue men with pink dots farm and feed the economy and nation.

Make that what you have a success and then try to take from people that is actually contributing to their BMW.

 

[Jola]

What difference does that make? America's independence was more violent than any single independence in Africa as far as I know. The French even got involved! Yet they turned out alright.

The main difference is that the whites totally destroyed the indigenous populations, whether by force of arms or by pestilence. That made it a lot easier for the whites to develop the country, partly by importing millions of whites (Irish, etc) from a depressed Europe.

That didn't happen in Africa (although the Germans and Belgians certainly tried).

That is the biggest single difference between the colonisation of Africa and North America post the ice age.

 

[Albereth]

The main difference is that the whites totally destroyed the indigenous populations, whether by force of arms or by pestilence. That made it a lot easier for the whites to develop the country, partly by importing millions of whites (Irish, etc) from a depressed Europe.

That didn't happen in Africa (although the Germans and Belgians certainly tried).

I guess that would be the biggest single difference between the colonisation of Africa and North America.

I think he is talking about the AWI between the 13 colonies and Britain.

But as an interesting aside there were claims of a smallpox outbreak in Uganda.

 

[R13...]

Lesotho, Swaziland, Botswana, South Africa, Zambia, Malawi, Tanzania, Rwanda, etc, etc, etc.

You should ask how many African countries have had a democratic change in government. That is a very short list.

I haven't researched your list, but can you really count South Africa as among those that had a peaceful transition... Maybe I should rephrase - how many countries achieved democratic rule without some sort of violence as a precursor, i.e., guerilla warfares, struggle, etc!

 

[Albereth]

I haven't researched your list, but can you really count South Africa as among those that had a peaceful transition... Maybe I should rephrase - how many countries achieved democratic rule without some sort of violence as a precursor, i.e., guerilla warfares, struggle, etc!

Of course - South Africa gained independence in 1961.

I don't think that too many African countries gained democratic rule at all. Maybe Botswana?

 

[Mila]

And the rest of the world?

 

[Albereth]

And the rest of the world?

Context for your question please.

 

[Jola]

I think he is talking about the AWI between the 13 colonies and Britain.

But as an interesting aside there were claims of a smallpox outbreak in Uganda.

Sure, but the AWI and a comparison to Africa is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the causes of the present problems - the population issues are.

He has lost himself in irrelevant facts.

Apparently the Central African inhabitants had been subjected to smallpox before the whites arrived, so in general they were not that badly affected, not like the North and South American indigenous populations, which were decimated. Not sure of the exact historical facts there, but you will probably find that smallpox had been spread in Africa by Arab traders, etc, centuries before.

The above, of course, excludes the Hottentots in the Cape, who were pretty much wiped out by smallpox. They were quite isolated before the whites arrived on the scene.

Not sure about the San people, I think they were mainly exterminated by the Zulus and Xhosas.

 

[ALFAHOLIC]

The main difference is that the whites totally destroyed the indigenous populations, whether by force of arms or by pestilence. That made it a lot easier for the whites to develop the country, partly by importing millions of whites (Irish, etc) from a depressed Europe.

That didn't happen in Africa (although the Germans and Belgians certainly tried).

That is the biggest single difference between the colonisation of Africa and North America post the ice age.

I think the thread should end after this...pure truth
/thread

 

[Mila]

Which country do not have violence as part of their history? Where they did not need to fight wars over it?