Why do I "need" FIBRE?

Johnatan56 said:
Tbh, I doubt that they would stretch GPON to 20km in most cities, but that's official spec, most of the time <40km is still fine. Would still be a really strange/rare network design to do that though unless it's an isolated user that would probably make it cost prohibitive to deploy to.


Exactly, no modem.

Network equipment, yes, but due to the reduced amount of equipment, it will be easier to maintain (not necessarily cheaper as more experienced people in the DSL sector probably).
The actual copper vs fiber, the fiber doesn't degrade close to as quickly.

Most of the "issues" reported are bad network design/faulty equipment or in the case of Octotel, business practice.

Congestion in regards to that is a dumb argument, OpenServe has congestion as to how they did their business structure, the congestion at the exchange should be a lot better than before as newer equipment. In Cool Ideas thread, I think I saw PB mention that Telkom might finally charge the same as Teraco and stuff, on a 1/10/100Gbps port rather than a per Mbps cost.

GPON was originally rated as 1:1 up to 1:64, so they're following the spec...
2.5Gbps / 64 = ~40 Mbps, with overheads it will be ~2300/64 = ~35Mbps. How many users even have 100 Mbps connections? If they can save costs while still having the ability to move to 1:16 if needed without impacting users, why not?

At very high speeds, contention ratios don't matter as much/can go higher. I have a 100Mbps line, I think I maybe max it out for 10 minutes a day, the rest of the time I am probably maxing out at around 3-4Mbps as streaming a YouTube video or two in the house. Most users will burst their connection for a little bit and then not use it for a while, that's normal for consumption.

And I would love to know how you got ISP contention figures since that is a trade secret, competitors would easily gain an advantage based on that.

That's an interesting generalization, which I would love a source to.
If you're talking about the installers, that's not their jobs, they come to bring a wire into your house, splice it into the box and then activate it on the system.
The actual people who designed/built the system definitely know what they're doing.
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Octotel certainly don’t know what they re doing... still playing the denial game
 
Johnatan56 said:
Congestion in regards to that is a dumb argument, OpenServe has congestion as to how they did their business structure, the congestion at the exchange should be a lot better than before as newer equipment. In Cool Ideas thread, I think I saw PB mention that Telkom might finally charge the same as Teraco and stuff, on a 1/10/100Gbps port rather than a per Mbps cost.

GPON was originally rated as 1:1 up to 1:64, so they're following the spec...
2.5Gbps / 64 = ~40 Mbps, with overheads it will be ~2300/64 = ~35Mbps. How many users even have 100 Mbps connections? If they can save costs while still having the ability to move to 1:16 if needed without impacting users, why not?

At very high speeds, contention ratios don't matter as much/can go higher. I have a 100Mbps line, I think I maybe max it out for 10 minutes a day, the rest of the time I am probably maxing out at around 3-4Mbps as streaming a YouTube video or two in the house. Most users will burst their connection for a little bit and then not use it for a while, that's normal for consumption.

And I would love to know how you got ISP contention figures since that is a trade secret, competitors would easily gain an advantage based on that.
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Johnatan56 said:
That's an interesting generalization, which I would love a source to.
If you're talking about the installers, that's not their jobs, they come to bring a wire into your house, splice it into the box and then activate it on the system.
The actual people who designed/built the system definitely know what they're doing.
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If by some miracle from above Openserve does change the billing of IPC and prices do come down to be in line with Vumatel, Octotel and Frogfoot and we see like 100Mbps going for like R1100 or so then we will see more complaints about Openserve fibre with congested OLT's.

I don't know how they roll out but I hope they did it so that they are just a split away from reducing congestion and just adding another OLT.

For now. There is no chance of OLT congestion on Openserve with IPC costs so entery level pricing is still expensive.
 
Geoff.D said:
What I mean by that is IF the splicing is bad, with more attenuation than there should be and bad reflections at the splices, then this will negatively impact on what results are realised in the field.
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Are they not using automated splicing equipment? Splices that we did manually could have as much as 1 or 2 dB of signal loss. Automated splicing should not even suffer 0.2 dB loss. That dB number is measured with each splice. How are they splicing these fibers?
 
westom said:
Are they not using automated splicing equipment? Splices that we did manually could have as much as 1 or 2 dB of signal loss. Automated splicing should not even suffer 0.2 dB loss. That dB number is measured with each splice. How are they splicing these fibers?
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Badly of course, did you not read Geoff.D's post? :p
 
dunkyd said:
I don't think I " need" fibre ?
50Gb Lte with MTN just works..View attachment 626796
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Cost, variance, latency. All of them are probably worse than fiber, unless Black Friday/Fri-yay thing, both of those contracts should be ending soon.
If it fits your usage pattern well though, don't bother moving to fiber.

For me, that product wouldn't fit, just my laptop:
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And I don't really stream or anything besides the odd YouTube video. Most of the actual usage is on other devices.
 
If you are happy with what you have and the price you are paying then stick to it.

If fibre will however cost you less money overall then that’s the obvious answer.
 
Johnatan56 said:
Badly of course, did you not read Geoff.D's post? :p
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Then point to each relevant dB number rather than post a sentence that states no facts. Any statement not defined by numbers is akin to hearsay. Where is automatic splicing defined? Where are necessary dB parameters? Any statement not tempered by perspective means nothing to (is best ignored by) technical people. Where are relevant parameters and the description of that splicing machine? What do they consider insufficient? What parameters define a sufficient splice?
 
So reporting back after having installed fibre about a week ago, previously on Rain fixed LTE.

Though the fibre is technically slower (10 Mb vs the theoretical 50 which my speedtest occasionally showed) it seems to me as though the fibre is snappier. I don't game so latency isn't really an issue, but the experience is much more consistent, especially streaming in the evenings which on Rain was, let's just say, an inconsistent experience (though never to the point that it was unpleasant I'll admit).

Overall I'm satisfied. 10Mbit completely uncapped fibre on Octotel is cheaper (if only by a few rands) than 55GB+55GB on Rain. And the experience is good.
 
Yeah Rain fixed LTE is crap. Their mobile however will be overtaking adsl and fibre ito value this year.
 
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