Why doctors hate science

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"A 2004 study found some 10 million women lacking a cervix were still getting Pap tests. Only problem is, a Pap test screens for cervical cancer — no cervix, no cancer. With this tale, Newsweek's Sharon Begley makes her case for comparative-effectiveness research (CER), which is receiving $1 billion under the stimulus bill for studies to determine which treatments, including drugs, are more medically sound and cost-effective than others for a given ailment. Physicians, Begley says, must stop treatments that are rooted more in local medical culture than in medical science, embrace practices that have been shown scientifically to be superior to others, and ignore critics who paint CER as government control of doctors' decision-making."
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http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/01/2224207

Ive noticed how many "expert" GPs with an agenda there are in the evolution denial movement.

Doctors after university dont really have to work with the scientific method unless they are in a research position, and I have often wondered if the bar is perhaps a little lower for your run of the mill doctors compared to that scientists.

I think PeterCH will have an opinion on this :D
 
Gmph. My experience with GPs is that they are generally intellectually lazy, money hungry and uninterested.

I've accurately diagnosed the last 3 serious illnesses I had myself(and found treatments that worked myself) because the multiple GPs I visited had no idea what was wrong but didn't take any further steps to try and diagnose the diseases. They just prescribe some antibiotics and/or painkillers and say come back next week(so that I can pay another inflated consultation fee).

The one or two specialists I visited seemed to be on the ball though. So maybe its just a GP thing.
 
w1z4rd said:
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/01/2224207

Ive noticed how many "expert" GPs with an agenda there are in the evolution denial movement.
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An obvious snipe at PeterCH, you know, a person with an actual degree in something worthwhile ;). Have you got any thing of substance that gives you the right to snipe at others like this? I don't see him denying "changes of alleles over time". Misrepresentation?
 
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Phronesis said:
An obvious snipe at PeterCH, you know, a person with an actual degree in something worthwhile ;). Have you got any thing of substance that gives you the right snipe at others like this? I don't see him denying "changes of alleles over time". Misrepresentation?
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Do you have a degree?
 
I'm finding Gp's are becoming more and more uneducated and unprofessional as time goes on.

They do fine if you are suffering from a common cold or flu. Anything slightly more serious and they seem completely baffled.

I recently was diagnosed with a parasite called Blastocystis Hominis. After having visted 2 gp's and the hosptial countless times in a month. They sent me for urine tests, blood tests, ultrasounds. And found nothing. They diagnosed me with a colon infection, then a urinary tract infection then a complicated urinary tract infection and finally i just had a 'bout of gastro' Gastro for over a month? You are kidding me right. Finally they did a stool sample and found cysts linked to the this parasite.

GP gave me flagyl to take but it has severe side effects and told me to just stop taking it and it will go away by itself. I went to the hospital and they advised me that it was not a good idea to just stop taking an antibiotic and although the side effects are severe i should soldier on in order to kill the parasite because this is the only drug out there that can successfully kill it.

So all in all i'm rather gatvol with doctors.
 
You guys must really have some bad luck with GP's... I have always had highly intelligent GP's who enjoyed being Doctors. Interested in all the latest heppenings and constantly reading (not because they have to, but because they want to).

I really cannot fathom going to a doctor who is stumped on a medical condition (unless it is really rare and they don't have the tools to do a proper analysis). Shocking!
 
Took months and nearly R100k for doctors to misdiagnose me, one even diagnosed me with multiple sclerosis. Took a CPT specialist to accurately diagnose me with cigutera poisoning after one visit and one follow up...
 
DJK said:
Took months and nearly R100k for doctors to misdiagnose me, one even diagnosed me with multiple sclerosis. Took a CPT specialist to accurately diagnose me with cigutera poisoning after one visit and one follow up...
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Doctors are often at a loss to explain these symptoms and ciguatera poisoning is frequently misdiagnosed as Multiple Sclerosis.[9]

Dyspareunia and other ciguatera symptoms have developed in otherwise-healthy males and females following sexual intercourse with partners suffering ciguatera poisoning, signifying that the toxin that produces ciguatera poisoning may be sexually transmitted.[10]
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That ones a bit obscure, so they had an excuse. Just be careful who you sleep with. ;-)

On the whole I find doctors generally have a God complex of the highest order and dislike being wrong, much less being questioned even in the mildest way. Many doctors are simply loading their work in order to gain the maximum amount of money for the least effort.

My mother was in hospital not too long ago and the doctor spent 2 minutes a day with her and that was the maximum. Sometimes he didn't come at all, but charged for it anyway. He refused to provide any reasons for his methods, even 'experimenting' with some drug treatments without disclosing that he was doing it. I had to ask a nurse, who tried to evade the question (not wanting to "get into trouble").
 
One thing i agree with wizard on...

I am increasingly seeing people moving onto alternative medicines because doctors can't even start to see something wrong or even try something simple to treat their patients.

And the "god" complex is true
 
Geriatrix said:
Gmph. My experience with GPs is that they are generally intellectually lazy, money hungry and uninterested.
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Agreed

Serqet said:
They do fine if you are suffering from a common cold or flu. Anything slightly more serious and they seem completely baffled.
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Not really. They normally just [-]prescribe[/-] chuck antibiotics at the problem

DJK said:
Took months and nearly R100k for doctors to misdiagnose me, one even diagnosed me with multiple sclerosis. ...
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Join the club
 
LOL my Dr used Google in front of me on Friday and then gave a prescription
 
Phronesis said:
An obvious snipe at PeterCH, you know, a person with an actual degree in something worthwhile ;). Have you got any thing of substance that gives you the right to snipe at others like this? I don't see him denying "changes of alleles over time". Misrepresentation?
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Are you mentally touched dude? As far as I know PeterCH supports evolution. You are always so wrong :( *sigh*
 
w1z4rd said:
As far as I know PeterCH supports evolution.
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Funny, I was also under that impression. I am also under the impression that doctors generally don't deny changes in allele frequency unlike your insinuations that they do. I mean, they did actually study and got an advanced degree and knowledge they need to apply to real world problems... you know like mutating viruses and bacteria. Misrepresentation? YET AGAIN?
 
Phronesis said:
Funny, I was also under that impression. I am also under the impression that doctors generally don't deny changes in allele frequency unlike your insinuations that they do. I mean, they did actually study and got an advanced degree and knowledge they need to apply to real world problems... you know like mutating viruses and bacteria. Misrepresentation? YET AGAIN?
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Now you are just being silly and bitchy.
 
Oh go cry river somewhere else. Why don't you point me to a single doctor that denies changes of allele frequencies over time and you will probably have a thousand that don't. Bad generalization by you... yet again :rolleyes:.
 
Phronesis said:
Funny, I was also under that impression. I am also under the impression that doctors generally don't deny changes in allele frequency unlike your insinuations that they do.
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Oh no! Not changes in allele frequency! DARWIN WAS A HACK!!!
 
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