Why must it always be "First Black Man"

D3nz said:
View it with a sense of pride rather than with the view that he is receiving special acknowledgment because of his race. Do you see mention of race as taking away from his accomplishment?
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Considering you don't hear 'first white xxx', yes.
 
A lot of it is white guilt. A black person achieving something is atonement.

It's also a legacy of this condescending attitude towards black people that goes back to Clapham sect style missionary era. Where black people would be unshackled from their 'primitive' existince and their potential unleashed by the white man. A black person achieving something is then an example of their success.

But yeah people are obsessed with race despite their disingenuous claims to desire a raceless society.
 
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It is a good thing... There are not enough black hero's, so when the is an opportunity to praise a black person, it will be done. Especially when it was a previously disadvantaged individual. Young black kids need these hero's so they can realise that it is possible to aim for the stars.

It's good to have positive role models... Without mentioning race, people will assume they are white.....
 
iaywtimnbe said:
Considering you don't hear 'first white xxx', yes.
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I don't think it's intended to be demeaning or to make it seem as though he has accomplished some great achievement that is commonplace for whites. It's how you receive the acknowledgement that's important. View it with a sense of pride.
 
D3nz said:
I don't think it's intended to be demeaning or to make it seem as though he has accomplished some great achievement that is commonplace for whites. It's how you receive the acknowledgement that's important. View it with a sense of pride.
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I agree... it's how you see it. People tend to go for the jugular when there's an opportunity to see something as negative, particularly when dealing with a contentious issue. Human nature is to make drama where there is none. This forum has plenty of examples :)
 
Demon7 said:
It is a good thing... There are not enough black hero's, so when the is an opportunity to praise a black person, it will be done. Especially when it was a previously disadvantaged individual. Young black kids need these hero's so they can realise that it is possible to aim for the stars.

It's good to have positive role models... Without mentioning race, people will assume they are white.....
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That's a really condescending attitude is if there are so few black people capable of achieving 'hero' status that when, on the rare occasion, one actually comes along great emphasis must be placed him.

Here's an idea how about treating people equally and ignoring their race which is irrelevant. Amazing how so few people are willing to do exactly that
 
When Jessie Owens fscked the Aryan brothers up the ass with his 4 gold medals in the Berlin Olympics, it must have felt very good for his black bro's and sisters back home in the US.
 
SamCasey said:
When Jessie Owens fscked the Aryan brothers up the ass with his 4 gold medals in the Berlin Olympics, it must have felt very good for his black bro's and sisters back home in the US.
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I think you watched another Olympics to us. I'm quite sure Jessie Owens didn't see it that way. Such a negative view on winning.

When it comes to sports and winning/losing, I loved Gary Player's comment
“Losing was always quite easy for me because my father always said to me: ‘look, you’re going to lose more than you’re going to win. Enjoy the success of others.’”
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You really sound like a sore lose trying to justify his feelings.... Get over it.... The very thing you profess you don't feel, is exactly the way you feel...
And to answer your question, no there are not enough black hero's.
Why do you have issue that a black man achieved something?
 
Alan said:
That's a really condescending attitude is if there are so few black people capable of achieving 'hero' status that when, on the rare occasion, one actually comes along great emphasis must be placed him.

Here's an idea how about treating people equally and ignoring their race which is irrelevant. Amazing how so few people are willing to do exactly that
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+1
 
Saltex said:
I mean you never see "first white man" and same goes for gender, "first white male"
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It does if you read history books.

why not just say "2nd South African in space" or whatever nation, why must there always be such a big deal on the persons race or gender.
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Why mention the person's nation? If you are going to do so then shouldn't it be as far back as we can trace their origins? Perhaps they're the first Visigoth in space.

but all that is behind us now, we live in a generation now where the majority of us are all equal
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Hypothetically perhaps. In reality it is quite obvious that we still try to train girls to care primarily about make-up and such. One only has to look at the inane division of toys in shops. And with the rise of misanthropic feminism with its sustained assault on both men and women equal treatment is going out the window for all of us.

Voicy said:
It's a false sense of accomplishment.

Being 2nd in something is hardly noteworthy.
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Many times being first isn't particularly noteworthy, but merely a case of happenstance.
 
Furthermore if it is a truthful statement, then what is the issue? The person is the first of a group to achieve something. It's no different to mentioning where they happened to be born or currently live.
 
I have no problem with this, but there was a thread here entailing Sibusiso Vilane in regard with a Windhoek Lager? advert, which they rectified (the first black man changed to the first black African) after a heated debate. Anyone can reach achievements, no matter what the colour, but when it comes to marketing… I believe in ethics and above all honesty.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I have no problem with this, but there was a thread here entailing Sibusiso Vilane in regard with a Windhoek Lager? advert, which they rectified (the first black man changed to the first black African) after a heated debate.
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The advert stated he was the first African which was false as other Africans (white settlers) have ascended the mountain before him. They used the term 'African' to subtly imply 'black person'.

I actually think I might have been the one that started the thread.
 
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