Why Scrum is Stressing You Out

PaulMurkin said:
I don't even need to read the article to give you an answer:

Management use all of this stuff as a stick- that's all.
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You should read the Hackernews commentary.
But yes .. you right
 
Creag said:
Monday morning scrum FTW. Not!
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We have to do this **** every day. Every day I am basically in an hour long meeting before work even starts.
The TFS board (which is the Microsoft version of Agile/Scrum) is the Holy Grail.
I cannot believe the company makes money, this horseshit has hamstrung so many projects!
 
From one our 800+ members on the Estate WhatsApp group: "Only human beings could take a household geyser, wrap it in beurocracy and tie a perfect knot on top."

Perfectly sums up the bullshit that corporate management invents in order to look busy and justify their exorbitant salaries.
 
PaulMurkin said:
We have to do this **** every day. Every day I am basically in an hour long meeting before work even starts.
The TFS board (which is the Microsoft version of Agile/Scrum) is the Holy Grail.
I cannot believe the company makes money, this horseshit has hamstrung so many projects!
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If its and hour long, thats wrong. Daily standups ( whether scrum or not ) should just be a way to touch base and keep everyone in the loop. More detail, have the discussions elsewhere or point to point.
 
Kosmik said:
If its and hour long, thats wrong. Daily standups ( whether scrum or not ) should just be a way to touch base and keep everyone in the loop. More detail, have the discussions elsewhere or point to point.
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Dude, this company is huge on meetings. They love meetings! It's not about touching base, its about how much work you did the previous day- that's what they wanna hear.
 
Hamster said:
The years is 2024 and software developers still haven't grown a decent pair of bravery balls to put a stop to hour long stsndups.

This is not a difficult problem to fix.
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Some(dare I say many) companies run in a way that always leaves the dev team feeling like that are never good enough, always wrong, always responsible for things going wrong and always one step away from the door. Bad managers foster this environment as a powerful control mechanism. The dev team just takes it and won't dare say a word.

There are plenty of management courses, but not nearly enough employee courses that teach them how to deal with toxic, corrosive environments and give them psychological/management tools and processes to push back.

It all boils down to bad management that are professional dodgers/blameshifters who refuse to take responsibility for anything.
 
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PaulMurkin said:
Dude, this company is huge on meetings. They love meetings! It's not about touching base, its about how much work you did the previous day- that's what they wanna hear.
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Yes and? It take an hour to summarize what you did the previous day? WAAAAAAY too much detail for a standup.

Standups should be amongst small teams. If the manager needs to report, they should have their own standup later, that way each link in the chain is informed.

Now if you want to micromanage everyone to the nth degree, that's a "daily standup of stupidity".

And if a person REALLY wants to be pedantic, it goes against pure SCRUM as well as that is supposed to give more responsibility and control to developers to be able to manage workloads.

If a company wants to treat you as a child vs a professional .........
 
A lot of wagile going on.
The standup is for the team to keep each other up to date and in check. Its not a project update meeting for external stakeholders although they can listen in if they think its useful. Its also very clear in the Scrum guide what the Max length should be.
A decent Scrum master will sort out that nonsense quick quick.

Product backlogs, reviews and to a lesser extent retrospectives are for getting the sprint status.
 
Scrum/Agile is a bit like socialism.

It promises a utopian programming environment but never seems to work because you're "doing it wrong" and it wasn't true agile.

And if only you'd had a decent Scrum master ...

Except, in reality, it's always waterfall in disguise (at best). Always.
 
MrGray said:
Scrum/Agile is a bit like socialism.

It promises a utopian programming environment but never seems to work because you're "doing it wrong" and it wasn't true agile.

And if only you'd had a decent Scrum master ...

Except, in reality, it's always waterfall in disguise (at best). Always.
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I've been in organisations that did it properly and it works well.

I've never heard that argument from people who have seen it work the way its supposed to.
 
Hamster said:
The year is 2024 and software developers still haven't grown a decent pair of bravery balls to put a stop to hour long standups .

This is not a difficult problem to fix.
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They tried reducing the number of stand-ups where I work. Manager said less work was being done as a result... but our stand-up is 30min for a 20 person team so it's not too bad.

But yeah, I'd recommend this for high performing teams.
 
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