Why Win 7 is Microsoft's next Zune

[PeterCH]

Mac OS X’s Quartz graphics compositor wasn’t just a new feature. Apple was onto a very powerful new concept in computing: the offloading of desktop graphics to the GPU. The company realized that the CPU was no longer the engine that would define the power and usability of a computer. It was being eclipsed by the latent processing power of the GPU. Microsoft and Intel realized this too, to some extent.

In the late 90s, the team of tech monopolists tried frantically to figure out a way to get PC users, primarily running Office, to continue to buy increasingly faster PCs, but ran out of reasons for consumers to keep buying new PCs when their old one ran Word pretty decently already. Their solution was to build 3D visualizations into web pages, so that users would need a faster CPU to look at crap on the web designed entirely to make their CPU hot. This was the extent of their vision.

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[Asha'man X]

How does one reply to a clip like that?

I'm not a Windows 7 fan, I prefer Vista, but based on all the feedback I've gotten from people around me, Windows 7 is going to be pretty big. It's got everything going for it.

So yeah, I don't think Windows 7 is going to fail at all. Try as Apple might to spin this, Windows 7 stole the thunder months ago.

 

[Synaesthesia]

Roughlydrafter is pretty much an Apple fanboi - you can't take him too seriously.

 

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awwwww man....

 

[cerebus]

you have to take out the </b> in the url.

 

[cerebus]

What an utterly biased febrile rant.... bordering on madness.

 

[PeterCH]

Sorry, for some reason the BB entered that B into the url. Now corrected.

 

[FuNkEr]

It's the same as Win2000 and then XP. When they saw that Win2000 didn't fare that good (and there were plenty of problems with Win2000) , WinXP came as the replacement.
I feel it's pretty much the same with Win Vista and now Win 7. Although Vista doesn't have that many problems, it still isn't what Win 7 seems to be...

 

[PeterCH]

What an utterly biased febrile rant.... bordering on madness.

Why do you say it's baseless. MS did screw its PlayForSure partners (Creative, Rio etc), for example. WinMobile does suck. Pink is vapourware.

Why do you say all these things are baseless? Maybe you just dunno what you're talking about, if you don't, just say so, don't just say something is a baseless 'rant'. That's something a fanboy says.

 

[d0b33]

Peter you need to load ubuntu onto your laptop because for someone that still uses a microsoft product you clearly don't like the idea of XP losing support, just switch to linux you'll feel better.

 

[diabolus]

Why do you say it's baseless. MS did screw its PlayForSure partners (Creative, Rio etc), for example. WinMobile does suck. Pink is vapourware.

Why do you say all these things are baseless? Maybe you just dunno what you're talking about, if you don't, just say so, don't just say something is a baseless 'rant'. That's something a fanboy says.

It's baseless because the Zune is not considered a failure, nevermind the part about the NEXT Zune HD coming out ...you'd think Microsoft would've withdrawn from the market if it was indeed such a failure. Sure it's not Apple-Rule-The-Market success, but they're surely up there with Creative/Archos/Samsung/Sony when it comes to MP3 Players.

The thing that you and the author of that article is missing, Zune is an MP3 Player ...the Creative Zen is an MP3 player ...hell every electronics manufacturer got one. So this whole "copycat" thing is just baseless really. It's like saying a Samsung TV is a failure because Sony has more TVs on the market...wtf?

At least Microsoft offers and alternative, i definitely don't want Apple to be the -only- company with an Mp3 player, Phone, Laptop and Desktop + OS on the market. People hate Microsoft for exactly this reason, they got the Desktop PC market, 90% of it , people hate them on principle. Yet people actually WANT Apple to get in this position too? Apple on a corporate levels is no better than Microsoft, trust me..it's money..it's business.

Also just like the Zune, Windows 7 has ALOT of positive PR going, very few people are negative about Win 7 and you're digging up random blogs that is months old that is so freaking obscure that it's literally looking like someone is grasping at straws here. Really, everyone that has Windows XP or Vista, wants 7 ....
[Go read some Zune reviews, especially the 80GB/120GB reviews compared to Ipod classic...failure my arse]

And i can't believe you're still continuing to bring up the playforsure thing, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Windows 7, in fact it has nothing to do with Windows at all. It's like saying the Microsoft Reclusa Keyboard is crap, therefore Windows is crap...

 

[cerebus]

I never said it was baseless. Like all good bilious rants there is an element of truth to it.

 

[PeterCH]

It's baseless because the Zune is not considered a failure, nevermind the part about the NEXT Zune HD coming out ...you'd think Microsoft would've withdrawn from the market if it was indeed such a failure. Sure it's not Apple-Rule-The-Market success, but they're surely up there with Creative/Archos/Samsung/Sony when it comes to MP3 Players.

Compared to iPod sales, the ZUNE is a failure. What's the market penetration of the Zune again? Have you even actually seen a Zune in use or on sale?
I haven't.

The thing that you and the author of that article is missing, Zune is an MP3 Player ...the Creative Zen is an MP3 player ...hell every electronics manufacturer got one. So this whole "copycat" thing is just baseless really. It's like saying a Samsung TV is a failure because Sony has more TVs on the market...wtf?

I think you'll find that the markets aren't as uneven in those segments. If >90% of the mp3 players were one product and a new product was launched whose development and manufacturing fees were not recovered I would consider that a failure. The Zune was launched as an iPod killer and quite frankly it failed at that.

At least Microsoft offers and alternative, i definitely don't want Apple to be the -only- company with an Mp3 player, Phone, Laptop and Desktop + OS on the market. People hate Microsoft for exactly this reason, they got the Desktop PC market, 90% of it , people hate them on principle. Yet people actually WANT Apple to get in this position too? Apple on a corporate levels is no better than Microsoft, trust me..it's money..it's business.

People dislike MS for many reasons. One reason is the HTML standards shambles. Another reason is buggy software with easy exploits and lack of innovation because where there is no competition there is no innovation. Other reason is they vapourware they punt - only to destroy better current products and later to release only half of what they promised. Note that every MS OS ever released had major features it's MS forecasters and punters raved about slashed - Win95 wasn't what it was promised to be, neither was XP and neither was Vista.

Also just like the Zune, Windows 7 has ALOT of positive PR going, very few people are negative about Win 7 and you're digging up random blogs that is months old that is so freaking obscure that it's literally looking like someone is grasping at straws here. Really, everyone that has Windows XP or Vista, wants 7 ....

MS astroturfing. Does 7 possess all the vapourware features Vista was to have when it was still called LongHorn? Also is there any reason to upgrade to 7 other than the pretty menus and Direct X11?

[Go read some Zune reviews, especially the 80GB/120GB reviews compared to Ipod classic...failure my arse]

People ain't buying - if they aint' - it's a failure. Come on, it can be a pretty product but if it's clumsy and DRM ladden people won't buy. Apple just knows how to make products which appear to have class and which just work.

And i can't believe you're still continuing to bring up the playforsure thing, that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Windows 7, in fact it has nothing to do with Windows at all. It's like saying the Microsoft Reclusa Keyboard is crap, therefore Windows is crap...

PlayForSure was a MICROSOFT DRM/MUSIC Sales scheme that was to be implemented on MS Windows and MS supported players - eg Creative (I have one of those players) - MS promised to continue using it and selling music in the format while all the time developing the ZUNE which DID NOT SUPPORT PlayForSure. It was basically MS giving the finger to Creative et al.

 

[general_koffi]

It's the same as Win2000 and then XP. When they saw that Win2000 didn't fare that good (and there were plenty of problems with Win2000) , WinXP came as the replacement.
I feel it's pretty much the same with Win Vista and now Win 7. Although Vista doesn't have that many problems, it still isn't what Win 7 seems to be...

2000 didn't have that many problems compared to ME, which was the real horror. But 2000 was oriented towards servers and "workstations" which made it less than ideal for use on a "home" PC, or any machine geared towards personal use and entertainment. It wasn't as bad as NT had been in this regard - it was mostly a matter of marketing. XP was released as a spruced-up version of 2000 to replace both 2000 and ME, but mostly ME. Computers with 2000 weren't usually upgraded to XP.

Anyway, while upgrading from XP to Windows 7 might initially appear superfluous to many, it will always be a lot easier than migrating to Linux or Apple.

 

[PeterCH]

2000 didn't have that many problems compared to ME, which was the real horror. But 2000 was oriented towards servers and "workstations" which made it less than ideal for use on a "home" PC, or any machine geared towards personal use and entertainment. It wasn't as bad as NT had been in this regard - it was mostly a matter of marketing. XP was released as a spruced-up version of 2000 to replace both 2000 and ME, but mostly ME. Computers with 2000 weren't usually upgraded to XP.

Anyway, while upgrading from XP to Windows 7 might initially appear superfluous to many, it will always be a lot easier than migrating to Linux or Apple.

Yes, XP was 2K with some multi-media tweaks (to simplify a bit). However, you couldn't buy 2K in a shop as you say. I remember being given a copy of Win2K beta back in 99/98 but never installed it. I would have bought 2K had it been available on sale. We did run NT 3.5 at university and it was a decent system, even played Quake well but as you say it wasn't consumer multi-media friendly.

 

[I am Penguin]

Yes, XP was 2K with some multi-media tweaks (to simplify a bit). However, you couldn't buy 2K in a shop as you say. I remember being given a copy of Win2K beta back in 99/98 but never installed it. I would have bought 2K had it been available on sale. We did run NT 3.5 at university and it was a decent system, even played Quake well but as you say it wasn't consumer multi-media friendly.

Absolute BS. 2000 was more for bussiness/networking/security. Even today many still use 2000. I bought mine in a shop and not checkers BTW.

2000 didn't have that many problems compared to ME, which was the real horror. But 2000 was oriented towards servers and "workstations" which made it less than ideal for use on a "home" PC, or any machine geared towards personal use and entertainment. It wasn't as bad as NT had been in this regard - it was mostly a matter of marketing. XP was released as a spruced-up version of 2000 to replace both 2000 and ME, but mostly ME. Computers with 2000 weren't usually upgraded to XP.

This is correct and realistic not FUD sucked out of a thumb.

 

[PeterCH]

Absolute BS. 2000 was more for bussiness/networking/security. Even today many still use 2000. I bought mine in a shop and not checkers BTW.



This is correct and realistic not FUD sucked out of a thumb.

I am Penguin, you've got personal issues against me - but you are wrong. You couldn't buy 2K in a shop, it wasn't sold in IC or Mania, unlike 9x/Me and later XP. XP was the first consumer NT based OS.

2K was for servers and workstations and was not 'more about bussiness/networking/security [sic]'. However, 2K like NT could run on stand alone machines too, certainly NT 3.5 ran on Pentium 200MHz MMX machines. At that stage I ran a Pentium II 350 at home which was more than capable of running 2K and NT 3.5.

 

[I am Penguin]

I am Penguin, you've got personal issues against me - but you are wrong. You couldn't buy 2K in a shop, it wasn't sold in IC or Mania, unlike 9x/Me and later XP. XP was the first consumer NT based OS.

2K was for servers and workstations and was not 'more about bussiness/networking/security [sic]'. However, 2K like NT could run on stand alone machines too, certainly NT 3.5 ran on Pentium 200MHz MMX machines. At that stage I ran a Pentium II 350 at home which was more than capable of running 2K and NT 3.5.

Of course it could run on a standalone machine, all M$ OS and software can do so, the only difference is whether you had network hardware or not and if so if you were connected to another networked PC/Device. The only problem was drivers at the time. Hardware manufacturers did not always include drivers. That problem was solved with XP. Very akin to the issue of Vista/Win7. Vista will mature IMHO in Industrial/Corporate bussiness as Win2000 did and Win7 will be the the mass replacement of XP.

Its exactly the same today, I do not think that IC would have a whole rack of XP, Win7 OS cd's for sale but if you ask at the counter they either have or can get it for you.

 

[rwenzori]

My prediction is that Win 7 is going to be a huge success, which will result in an erosion of Apple's recently gained market share that resulted from a reaction to the dogpu called Vista.

 

[LabAnimal]

Why do you say it's baseless. MS did screw its PlayForSure partners (Creative, Rio etc), for example. WinMobile does suck. Pink is vapourware.

Why do you say all these things are baseless? Maybe you just dunno what you're talking about, if you don't, just say so, don't just say something is a baseless 'rant'. That's something a fanboy says.

yea, according to you, but we don't take you too seriously Peter, We all know you like to blow apple!