Why You Should Not Learn to Code

Solarion said:
There will always be a huge need for programmers. The whole thing doesn't make sense just because he made it sound like it makes sense does not make it so. He's pushing some personal agenda. Good salesman though. Could sell ice to an Eskimo.
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Yes, but programming is for juniors and is easy and automation, no-code is also reducing normal programming jobs. I do not see an agenda at all, I 100% agree with him.
 
Solarion said:
Think about it. He's showing presentations on software, on video software, pushed onto the internet, shared to the world, all on platforms built by programmers. The guy is trolling.
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He worked on the YouTube app for iOS.
 
RonSwanson said:
Watch the video again. It is there, at least 3-4 times
To say that you did not pick up on many of his profoundly arrogant statements suggests that you could be equally arrogant.
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That’s the joke! He often compares himself to Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos with a straight face.
 
I have seen for myself how easy programming has become, and how flooded IT is with people who don`t enjoy coding but is in it for the money.
 
Solarion said:
Nah its bullshit and you like that op and pushing whatever negative attitude and personal agenda as fact. Did you really hope to come here and impress us with this thumb sucking and hyperbole? Go back to the Ukraine thread you can get away with that twaddle there. Go be negative by yourself.
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HAHAH!
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
I have seen for myself how easy programming has become, and how flooded IT is with people who don`t enjoy coding but is in it for the money.
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Doing it for the money, oh the horror.

There are skill tiers. I think it’s really tough to compete at the very top, and too easy to be relegated to the JavaScript corner. So I to a degree get TechLead’s pessimism. On the other hand, his history as a successful entrepreneur and his trouble finding new employment in the industry are his biases.

You , are just clueless ;)
 
Nike7 said:
He actually did okay for himself as a coder. He had a public fallout with Facebook over his YouTube channel, and that’s the reason he is finding it so hard to find new employment.
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Not really even. His highlight was 3 and a half years at Google in 16 years of disaster. He was also not able to stay anywhere long enough to get paid for a full year (Google/FB vesting periods). He apparently did ok as YT personality though.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
Yes, but programming is for juniors and is easy and automation, no-code is also reducing normal programming jobs. I do not see an agenda at all, I 100% agree with him.
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Eh. My type of programming requires 10+ years experience and a PhD. It’s not going to get automated or no-coded anytime soon.

While I do agree that the “I did a boot camp”, or in general, those who build boiler plate solutions for clients, are more at risk, however there is a huge middle ground that does far more out there.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
I have seen for myself how easy programming has become, and how flooded IT is with people who don`t enjoy coding but is in it for the money.
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Ben, this is the case for all skilled industries. I've heard architects and engineers say the same thing.

Nobody enjoys their job 365, but we all gotta eat sometime in a month!

20 years, and in that 20 years, I have always seen the cream rise to the top. From when flash / as3 was cutting edge.

Nothing in this world other than your own perception can make you happy, can bring enjoyment. You are always responsible for your own "happiness"
 
I half agree, chances are you aren't going to learn how to code and be a millionaire in a year, the market is flooded with devs so the crazy salary you could demand 10-15 years ago isn't there and devs now aren't like the devs of the past spending every waking moment learning some new piece of code.

Don't get me wrong there are a few that still do this.

My advice to anyone entering the IT industry would be you have to have a base level of understanding code but after that move into cyber security. Way more money (old dev money) guys with no experience and an OSCP can expect 25-35k and with a year experience can get around 50k, 5 years plus double that+, easier hours (mostly), this is my opinion (more challenging work) but you are expected to be that level of nerd that keeps up with every breach, vulnerability etc, you need to walk into work knowing what happened while you were sleeping ready to discuss.
 
Benedict A55h0le said:
I have seen for myself how easy programming has become, and how flooded IT is with people who don`t enjoy coding but is in it for the money.
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The low-hanging fruit has been replaced by nocode/lowcode, sure. But the technical complexity simply keeps expanding, building the tree higher to more "high fruit". Sure you don't need "programmers/coders" to code websites anymore. But you now need them to expand into AI, to use but one example.

This guy is full of ****
 
Scary_Turtle said:
I half agree, chances are you aren't going to learn how to code and be a millionaire in a year, the market is flooded with devs so the crazy salary you could demand 10-15 years ago isn't there and devs now aren't like the devs of the past spending every waking moment learning some new piece of code.

Don't get me wrong there are a few that still do this.

My advice to anyone entering the IT industry would be you have to have a base level of understanding code but after that move into cyber security. Way more money (old dev money) guys with no experience and an OSCP can expect 25-35k and with a year experience can get around 50k, 5 years plus double that+, easier hours (mostly), this is my opinion (more challenging work) but you are expected to be that level of nerd that keeps up with every breach, vulnerability etc, you need to walk into work knowing what happened while you were sleeping ready to discuss.
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It really depends where one is on the dev spectrum. The best new graduates (usually with postgrad) are making R300k-R700k/month overseas at the top end. It’s never been better. If you’re above average at development, it’s a great industry to be in. If not, it’s definitely worth looking at things like security, cloud devops, network engineering, etc.

Really, the key thing thing is that the generic “developer” denotation is so general, it is borderline meaningless. It’s like talking about the income of “being in medicine”, and lumping orderlies, pharmacists, GPs and neurosurgeons together. I feel that the original video did exactly this.
 
Putting aside the merits of the video, it's always a good idea to learn a new skill, even if you don't end up using it you still grow and the act of learning itself makes you better at learning more.
 
cguy said:
It really depends where one is on the dev spectrum. The best new graduates (usually with postgrad) are making R300k-R700k/month overseas at the top end. It’s never been better. If you’re above average at development, it’s a great industry to be in. If not, it’s definitely worth looking at things like security, cloud devops, network engineering, etc.

Really, the key thing thing is that the generic “developer” denotation is so general, it is borderline meaningless. It’s like talking about the income of “being in medicine”, and lumping orderlies, pharmacists, GPs and neurosurgeons together. I feel that the original video did exactly this.
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Yeah agreed it just not like it was a few years ago the guys that are entering aren't at the same level of devs of old.

I wouldn't say above average get anywhere near 300-700k maybe the top 10%. Personally being a dev was mind numbingly boring but other guys loved it.

Just a fun little story a new 3 months in the job Pen tester found a vulnerability in a massive organization, he approached my boss with it and went through all the right channels to tell this org about it. He got a nice 5 million Rand finders fee and is no longer a junior pen tester haha. Yes I am very jealous.
 
Scary_Turtle said:
Yeah agreed it just not like it was a few years ago the guys that are entering aren't at the same level of devs of old.

I wouldn't say above average get anywhere near 300-700k maybe the top 10%. Personally being a dev was mind numbingly boring but other guys loved it.
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Probably only within the top 1% - that’s per month. I just used it to show that the the top end is still going up.

Scary_Turtle said:
Just a fun little story a new 3 months in the job Pen tester found a vulnerability in a massive organization, he approached my boss with it and went through all the right channels to tell this org about it. He got a nice 5 million Rand finders fee and is no longer a junior pen tester haha. Yes I am very jealous.
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Nice!
 
die_koos said:
Putting aside the merits of the video, it's always a good idea to learn a new skill, even if you don't end up using it you still grow and the act of learning itself makes you better at learning more.
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Sometimes that is what is needed to open another door or find something you like. Isn't always the new skill you start with, but this is better than just sitting back waiting for things to fall into your lap.
 
Coding bubble is going to pop anyway... everyone knows there are only two jobs that will always be in demand... undertaker [death], accountant [taxes] So figured I go for taxes
 
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