Windows 10 and EVERYTHING

Well after 4 months of Windows 10 on my Laptop I have decided to reformat and put Windows 7 Pro back.
I just do not have the time to search for solutions on Google all the time for all the annoying stuff that Win10 does.
I see many getting on the bandwagon also :)

http://store.worldstart.com/product/10766
 
The only problem all of you that are clinging to the old platforms is:

Support has stopped or will stop sooner or later.

Those of you in large organisation that are still on Windows XP have a problem. It is not easy to learn to live with 2 operating systems. But when your organisation switches you will probably have to follow.

Win 10 does to a certain extent challenge some of the pre-conceived ideas we all have about what a computer should do and how it should work. If you have an open mind, and are prepared to learn new ways, Win 10 has many new things.

What I object to is the amount of "junk" that is included in Win 10, that does not do anything for me in my daily work life. I would support some or other way to be able to disable ALL stuff that is not required for using a PC in your work life!
 
mkttype said:
Ever since I installed the free Windows 10, I have been frustrated beyond belief on so many occasions. When it downloads upgrades, it resets my ADSL so that I once struggled for more than a week to get it sorted again (with and without the help of my ISP).
Plus the way it handles PDF's is ridiculous - I have all the software etc etc I need but suddenly I can only see certain PDFs and others I cannot open for love or money. Especially those really important SARS e-filing messages, which are kind of essential.
And I think Edge sucks as a search engine.
Oh and finally I can never find anything - I don't have time to deck around searching for a setting or signing up for every little thing I want to view.

I've always hated having my options chosen for me in matters electronic, and Windows 10 seems to want to rule my world :-(
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I can now confirm with absolute certainty that WIN 10 does reset an ADSL router on cold start ( not a reset). In other words, if you power down your PC an start it up from scratch, it does reset the ADSL router. If the router takes too long to reset, Win 10 then detects that the Internet connection is down. It is at this point where one typically gets the warning note on the start up screen indicating that the ADSL connection is down.

That is all I have at the moment. need to do some more work on finding out what is going on, and possibly how to avoid the problem.

Some possible interim solutions are:

Reset the ADSL router yourself.
start the PC with no connection to the ADSL router.
 
Really wish people would stop using the software discs that come with their routers :/, STOP being cheap and support your local IT shop, get a competent person to set up your ADSL, when you use the disc you create a PPPOE connection between your computer and the router and when your windows crashes or you have virus your connection will drop (the little green light will turn red or stop flashing) because your router acts as a gateway when you set up the PPPOE connection, your computer is the DNS server and not the router. Stop blaming windows 10, REALLY!!
 
krustyrsa said:
Really wish people would stop using the software discs that come with their routers :/, STOP being cheap and support your local IT shop, get a competent person to set up your ADSL, when you use the disc you create a PPPOE connection between your computer and the router and when your windows crashes or you have virus your connection will drop (the little green light will turn red or stop flashing) because your router acts as a gateway when you set up the PPPOE connection, your computer is the DNS server and not the router. Stop blaming windows 10, REALLY!!
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Have absolutely no idea what you are on about. My ADSL router serves MANY PCs on the network, is always up and my PC is NOT the DNS server! It is therefore absolutely now without any doubt at all, that the moment the WIN 10 machine is connected to the LAN, the WIN 10 machine on start up, DOES reset the router which I have never experienced before with any other WIN OS or any of the other PCs connected to the LAN.


BTW, I can run rings around my local IT shop in terms of their knowledge regarding the setting up of network equipment.
 
krustyrsa said:
Really wish people would stop using the software discs that come with their routers :/, STOP being cheap and support your local IT shop, get a competent person to set up your ADSL, when you use the disc you create a PPPOE connection between your computer and the router and when your windows crashes or you have virus your connection will drop (the little green light will turn red or stop flashing) because your router acts as a gateway when you set up the PPPOE connection, your computer is the DNS server and not the router. Stop blaming windows 10, REALLY!!
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:wtf:
 
daniellgr said:
I can now confirm with absolute certainty that WIN 10 does reset an ADSL router on cold start ( not a reset). In other words, if you power down your PC an start it up from scratch, it does reset the ADSL router. If the router takes too long to reset, Win 10 then detects that the Internet connection is down. It is at this point where one typically gets the warning note on the start up screen indicating that the ADSL connection is down.

That is all I have at the moment. need to do some more work on finding out what is going on, and possibly how to avoid the problem.

Some possible interim solutions are:

Reset the ADSL router yourself.
start the PC with no connection to the ADSL router.
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Why would you experience this but not me and others? I'd hesitate to call the issue anything to do with Windows, as Windows can't reset a router on its own.

There is one issue I had this week with the latest update - it reset all my media file associations because of an unknown error after the update. But this is by no means a dealbreaker.
 
daniellgr said:
Have absolutely no idea what you are on about. My ADSL router serves MANY PCs on the network, is always up and my PC is NOT the DNS server! It is therefore absolutely now without any doubt at all, that the moment the WIN 10 machine is connected to the LAN, the WIN 10 machine on start up, DOES reset the router which I have never experienced before with any other WIN OS or any of the other PCs connected to the LAN.


BTW, I can run rings around my local IT shop in terms of their knowledge regarding the setting up of network equipment.
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OK. When people give me this type of symptom, I normally say its because of the Router CD ,mainly because I have never experienced or heard of such a thing and thats what people normaly do, so please accept my sincere apology!. But just did a little research and most common advice I could find was updating the NIC driver, or router firmware. One mentioned a D.O.S theory which would make a lot of sense in your case but then your other computers would also be infected..so I would say format reinstall and this time don't upgrade to win 10 just install a fresh copy of it and try again.
 
Ho3n3r said:
Why would you experience this but not me and others? I'd hesitate to call the issue anything to do with Windows, as Windows can't reset a router on its own.

There is one issue I had this week with the latest update - it reset all my media file associations because of an unknown error after the update. But this is by no means a dealbreaker.
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Quite correct, the latest update did reset file associations. I did not have a problem because all my associations except for one are still the defaults. have you tried to run the reliability monitor to see what happened? [settings/type reliability] and run the monitor. It will show you quickly what happened during the latest update and you may be able to determine what the issue was.

As to the DSL matter. I have not been able to work out what is happening yet, but there is absolutely no doubt about it. I have just powered down my PC and restarted it while observing the indicators on the ADSL router and a reset takes place. So now it is about finding the setting that is causing this.
 
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daniellgr said:
Quite correct, the latest update did reset file associations. I did not have a problem because all my associations except for one are still the defaults. have you tried to run the reliability monitor to see what happened? [settings/type reliability] and run the monitor. It will show you quickly what happened during the latest update and you may be able to determine what the issue was.

As to the DSL matter. I have not been able to work out what is happening yet, but there is absolutely no doubt about it. I have just powered down my PC and restarted it while observing the indicators on the ADSL router and a reset takes place. So now it is about finding the setting that is causing this.
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You are using a TP-Link modem aren't you?
 
Soul Assassin said:
You are using a TP-Link modem aren't you?
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Nope.

Actually, at this very moment in time, I am using an old Billion BIPAC 5100 ADSL Router with 4 port switch. My other ADSL modem is a Telkom Mega 105WR, which is in use elsewhere.

I have since checked the router to see what is set and found that UPNP is set allow users to change the configuration.
 
daniellgr said:
Nope.

Actually, at this very moment in time, I am using an old Billion BIPAC 5100 ADSL Router with 4 port switch. My other ADSL modem is a Telkom Mega 105WR, which is in use elsewhere.

I have since checked the router to see what is set and found that UPNP is set allow users to change the configuration.
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Have you installed the newest ethernet drivers, not just checking in Device Manager, but Googling and finding the absolute newest driver.
 
mkttype said:
Ever since I installed the free Windows 10, I have been frustrated beyond belief on so many occasions. When it downloads upgrades, it resets my ADSL so that I once struggled for more than a week to get it sorted again (with and without the help of my ISP).
Plus the way it handles PDF's is ridiculous - I have all the software etc etc I need but suddenly I can only see certain PDFs and others I cannot open for love or money. Especially those really important SARS e-filing messages, which are kind of essential.
And I think Edge sucks as a search engine.
Oh and finally I can never find anything - I don't have time to deck around searching for a setting or signing up for every little thing I want to view.

I've always hated having my options chosen for me in matters electronic, and Windows 10 seems to want to rule my world :-(
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Let's start from the Top.

Windows 10 is not free. It's a free upgrade of your current license of Windows 7 or Windows 8.1. You have until July 2016 to complete the upgrade. If you don't upgrade in time, you forfeit the option and have to fork out the money afterwards, in excess of R2000 and pay for it yourself. Windows 7 will soon not be supported by Microsoft and so will Windows 8.1 go down the same road as well. Windows 10 is the future operating system of choice for Microsoft and it's partners.

Windows 10 can not "reset" your ADSL. It has nothing to do with your internet connection, so you need to check if you have an issue with your networking equipment, your router and your network card, drivers or any software installed that might be causing this. This could be too many causes to list unfortunately, so you need to troubleshoot and check the whole lot. I can't just say it's this or that, that would be wrong. Update your networking drivers. Reset your networking settings and start again.

Edge is not a search engine. It's an Internet Browser, as previously mentioned. You can install Firefox or Chrome as well as mentioned as well.

PDFs are defaulted to open with Edge when you upgrade to Windows 10. So just right click on any PDF and choose Properties. Click Change and choose Adobe Reader from the list or Adobe Reader DC or any other PDF reading program you prefer. There is Foxit reader and a whole list of other PDF readers available online you can choose from.

Lastly. If you do not intend to go back to your previous Windows version, remember to run a Disk Clean Up. This makes a major difference to the performance of Windows 10. Clean the usual files, but also clean System Files and remove Windows Update and Previous Windows Installation to ensure that the previous Windows installation is removed. Again, only if you are certain you will not revert to your previous Windows edition.

Edit: please disregard the parts where I talk about Windows not resetting the Router. I see now you did confirm it. I did not see the Thread is 3 Pages long already. It's been a while since I've posted. I'm a bit rusty. My apologies.
 
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I don't use Windows 10 and have only been exposed to it once, very briefly, maybe 5 minutes.

For me it does not compute that the incumbent operating system could reset or reconnect the DSL on a modem/router without rebooting the modem/router just on its own. It requires login details to the device to accomplish this. To me it sounds as if though your environment has been compromised somehow or Microsoft are really getting CIA-like with their artificial intelligence by reinstating the connection by keylogging your connection to the device and compromising your privacy to ensure it is running as best possible.

The alternative is that something malicious has taken control of your system and remembers your modem / routers' password in order to accomplish this. Still, it needs to be attuned to your specific modem / routers' model and firmware version to accomplish this.

The only other explanation is some extremely weird and malfunctioning driver, but that seems more fiction than reality because it still does not explain how on earth this disconnection happens on the router side rather than PC (device) side.

So, as others have said, try a fresh install of the operating system.
 
netstrider said:
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The only other explanation is some extremely weird and malfunctioning driver, but that seems more fiction than reality because it still does not explain how on earth this disconnection happens on the router side rather than PC (device) side.

So, as others have said, try a fresh install of the operating system.
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Yes it is weird, but it is not unknown as I have found 3 other persons besides myself and the OP who have experienced the same thing. So far I have found no explanations or suggestions as to why this happens.

No. It is happening with two routers I have. So it is something about the PC, the network card, or the OS.
Disabling uPNP on the routers stops it and re-enabling uPNP brings makes the issue back.

And Yes it is a clean install undertaken on 29 January 2016 on my PC. BTW, I DO NOT do clean installs just for the hell of it. There has to be a very good justifiable reason. I prefer to first understand what the issue is and eliminate other solution before resorting to the brute force, all solving solution so prevalent in the IT industry proposed by those who do not want to spend the time to get to the bottom of an issue. Yes they are off the hook, but they do not care squat for all the pain they inflict on the user of the PC.

PS: The last update (Win 10 Pro build 1511, version 10586.104) that took place this week, reset ALL file Associations. Which of course means that [.pdf files] again opened in Edge instead of any of the alternative readers you may have installed. Note, Edge does default to using Bing as a search engine.
 
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