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AntiThesis
Executive Member
When last has your XP base install been 2gb? 
Mine is sitting at around 8gb (installed in May 2008) but to be fair I work it pretty hard so there's likely to be more bloat.
Mine is sitting at around 8gb (installed in May 2008) but to be fair I work it pretty hard so there's likely to be more bloat.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
LOL... M$... you lost the plot looooong time ago. Tons of these little netbooks only have 2 or 4 or 8 GB Solid state drives. I know they are increasing all the time... but this just sounds more like Vista bloat.
Just give it up already and keep supporting XP. Plz! Stop being an a$$ about this. People are quite happy with XP... support it until you can come up with something better.
The Vista debacle proved to you that people will no longer accept any crap you just throw at them... why do you think Win7 is going to be any different?
tjunyat
Senior Member
Unless one can customise how the Win7 interface will work, i.e. reset it to "classic windows" and similarly with Windows Explorer behaviour and look/feel, I (and I believe many others) won't touch it with a barge pole.
All the usual other stuff applies, bloatware, resource hog, etc.
MS ftl!
All the usual other stuff applies, bloatware, resource hog, etc.
MS ftl!
Maverick_Nick
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Uninformed hot air as usual
If you've been keeping up with the PDC at all, which I presume you weren't then you'd know that Windows 7 footprint was far less than 1 GB. Sure, Vista was a commercial screw up, but Vista is a work of art at the core, which is unfortunately something that most users will never see. Bad project management lead to the reboot of the Longhorn project, and then a rushed and unfinished product is what made Vista what it is today.
However, Windows 7 uses all of the good (yet somewhat unfinished) engineering from Vista, and I'm willing to bet big that it'll be a commercial success.
I've also read that Linux powered netbooks were being returned in droves, because users didn't realize the limitations at the time of purchase. Apple and Microsoft will continue to dominate the OS space, but what I'm really looking forward to is Windows Mobile 7. The mobile OS is where the war will be won and lost, and if you think that Apple's got it in the bag, then you'd be very very mistaken.
If you've been keeping up with the PDC at all, which I presume you weren't then you'd know that Windows 7 footprint was far less than 1 GB. Sure, Vista was a commercial screw up, but Vista is a work of art at the core, which is unfortunately something that most users will never see. Bad project management lead to the reboot of the Longhorn project, and then a rushed and unfinished product is what made Vista what it is today.
However, Windows 7 uses all of the good (yet somewhat unfinished) engineering from Vista, and I'm willing to bet big that it'll be a commercial success.
I've also read that Linux powered netbooks were being returned in droves, because users didn't realize the limitations at the time of purchase. Apple and Microsoft will continue to dominate the OS space, but what I'm really looking forward to is Windows Mobile 7. The mobile OS is where the war will be won and lost, and if you think that Apple's got it in the bag, then you'd be very very mistaken.
AntiThesis
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Brand new Windows 7 install (one week) is coming in at 7.38gb with nothing extra installed.
Pretty much. Windows 7 is fast, pretty and seems pretty functional with none of the annoyances that graced Vista's launch. I still think Vista should have been given more of a chance but popular opinion disagrees.
Oh yes. Mobile has been making some nice moves lately.
treven.govender
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Windows 7 needs to run as smooth as XP runs on my computer then only will I switch.
friedpiggy
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Biggest issue as far as I can tell with vista is the sodding indexing carp. Run that sucker on a laptop where it thrashes the hard drive every 10 minutes and your battery doesnt last nearly as long as it should. I got 25% more battery life out of my laptop when I did a clean install of XP. For that reason amongst many others I wont touch Vista. I am willing to give 7 a go as I do believe that the xp core has past its sell by date, but If it is loaded with drm and thrashes my drive then its bye bye to 7 and I will use XP till I am forced to go linux.
Maverick_Nick
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My bad - I should have specified RAM usage clocked in at somewhere around 250 MB on a netbook. Most of that 7+ GB of disk space goes to the drivers. The reason Apple doesn't have this problem is because they don't have all of that hardware to support. I think that copying the drivers to your disk should be optional.
On another subject - you're naive if you think that Windows market share is going to dip. Millions of companies have invested millions in software and infrastructure and it works. The up front cost of Linux is low, but total cost of ownership is through the roof - not to mension the lack of Linux skills in SA. Apple always will be a niche product and they'll continue to do well in the consumer market, but they won't fair too well in large corporations where IT budgets are shrinking. So I'm completely confident that Windows 7 will be successful, but I'm not going to make the mistake that I made with Vista as an early adopter. I'd probably wait until service pack 1 before buying in.
<moLe>
Expert Member
haha..thats funny...
Damn right about that, thats cause it's a sluggish piece of carpet ashed crap
Boo hoo..a multi trillion $ company couldn't with billions of dollars thrown into a project bring out something worthwhile after what 7 years?. While the Linux community with a way smaller budget delivers, why because open source equates to way way more programmers adding to the final program, and making it way more rounded and suitable for the real world and real hardware, seeing that the coders happen to be normal guys like u and me.
they where buying a netbook what did they expect?..cant linux when dumb consumers are the problem
Apple and Microsoft will continue to dominate the OS space[/QUOTE]
uhm..haha yes. Microsoft might still for a while be able to keep their "fans", but apple never dominated just over marketed, sure lot of people want mac's, but they make up a 1% of the Us OS market. Linux holds way more than that so get your facts straight.
Windows mobile 6 is a retarded piece of bulged sh*t, its sluggish, the start menu idea for on a phone is crap. Apple was innovative I'll give them that much but I dont want a smudged phone!...the future for mobiles is also open source, android's market share will continue to grow, and symbian as we know it still has the biggest share in the smart phone market (and isn't going nowhere soon)...
rwenzori
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Ekhaatvensters
Executive Member
+1
I like your posts, <moLe> - you've got a cynical attitude like me
Seriously? That was the worst "argument" ever. His whole post is just typical windows bashing from a linux fan.
And what exactly is Linux's desktop market share <moLe>? Much lower than Apple. I hope you weren't planning to use server figures to back that up.. or I suppose you just weren't going to bother giving any figures anyway.
<moLe>
Expert Member
Say what?
Not sure about the the exact amount of linux
users out there, but think its safe to state that
there is way more linux user's out there. There
are a couple of governments switching over to
ubuntu. It's hard to come down with an acurate
estimation of linux's market share but people are
estimating it to be between 6-7%.
And seriously it makes sense, its free; and very
few of the people in this world can afford windows
, ubuntu and most other distro's come with a free
office suite. Which one hundred percent complies
to the ISO standards...something which Microsoft
Windows doesnt do, for a matter of fact
they're pay for office suite dont even support ODF.
And no, ny post wasn't just pure windows bashing,
if u are a Windows user who get's offended by what
I said then I suppose I should feel sorry for u, first and
foremost for being one, and secondly for getting offended
that quickly. Maybe I pack a bad "argument" but stating
that Microsoft's Vista is a crappy OS's is barely an argument
more just a statement derived from my experience with it
as well as the opinion of the masses(who still prefer XP).
Not sure about the the exact amount of linux
users out there, but think its safe to state that
there is way more linux user's out there. There
are a couple of governments switching over to
ubuntu. It's hard to come down with an acurate
estimation of linux's market share but people are
estimating it to be between 6-7%.
And seriously it makes sense, its free; and very
few of the people in this world can afford windows
, ubuntu and most other distro's come with a free
office suite. Which one hundred percent complies
to the ISO standards...something which Microsoft
Windows doesnt do, for a matter of fact
they're pay for office suite dont even support ODF.
And no, ny post wasn't just pure windows bashing,
if u are a Windows user who get's offended by what
I said then I suppose I should feel sorry for u, first and
foremost for being one, and secondly for getting offended
that quickly. Maybe I pack a bad "argument" but stating
that Microsoft's Vista is a crappy OS's is barely an argument
more just a statement derived from my experience with it
as well as the opinion of the masses(who still prefer XP).
rwenzori
Honorary Master
Well, Vista IS a POS! It is driving people to OSX and Linux all over the place. You only have to see the surge in Mac sales to understand that.
Ekhaatvensters
Executive Member
Well looking at these: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8 I don't see how Linux could be much higher than Mac users as a desktop OS.
MS has it's own version of ODF (OOXML) which is also half-open. Not that I agree with this but I don't think most users could care. MS Office works fine without full ODF support. And they are bringing that support very soon. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...-gain-native-odf-support-early-next-year.html
<moLe>
Expert Member
that's great, different sites says different things. But just how do u suppose
do they keep track of Linux's marketshare..and do you expect me to take a
site seriously that view's the wii and iphone as operating systems? but sure
might be true, like I said couldn't get any clear statistic's and seems as though
these statistics are based on users that logged onto the net with their "device's".
Either way vista remains crap, osx leaves one feeling un-empowered (although
I must mention it way better than windows) but just not into it, the OS makes me
feel restricted, and its an OS that is custom tailored for the dumbest of the dumb,
they made it so fool proof it makes one feel dumb (their hardware is pretty
impressive though.) I wouldn't mind buying an Microsoft program if it offered me
anything better than what I'm using currently. But common sense tells me that is
quite unlikely.
do they keep track of Linux's marketshare..and do you expect me to take a
site seriously that view's the wii and iphone as operating systems? but sure
might be true, like I said couldn't get any clear statistic's and seems as though
these statistics are based on users that logged onto the net with their "device's".
Either way vista remains crap, osx leaves one feeling un-empowered (although
I must mention it way better than windows) but just not into it, the OS makes me
feel restricted, and its an OS that is custom tailored for the dumbest of the dumb,
they made it so fool proof it makes one feel dumb (their hardware is pretty
impressive though.) I wouldn't mind buying an Microsoft program if it offered me
anything better than what I'm using currently. But common sense tells me that is
quite unlikely.
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AntiThesis
Executive Member
You should seek balance, my son. Windows is not entirely evil and nor is Linux completely ZOMG. As with everything there is both good and bad.
And I suspect that the unfortunate truth is that yes, Windows is designed to cater for the barely computer literate. This in turn gives it a much higher market share because the majority of the population fits into this demographic. Users want Windows because you simply plug it in and play. Programs 9/10 times work out of the box and games are available at release-time.
There's also a lot to be said for the fact that Linux has always been touted as "just for experts" up until a few years ago. This means more people are worried about using it.
<moLe>
Expert Member
true that