Windows 7 eleven second boot time?

[killadoob]

Well you can remain cynical but then you cannot really pull a peter and comment about things you have not used .

 

[werner]

i think (to the poster with the 1 second boot time) that the asrock system is in reality just resuming from s3. their own little "cheat" system to make boot-ups appear faster.

in which case, yes, I can beat that, any viiv-capable machine will resume from away mode quicker than you can resume from s3.

 

[Tassidar]

Well you can remain cynical but then you cannot really pull a peter and comment about things you have not used .

Perhaps instead of moralizing, you can tell me, whether there are any improvements in 7 that make it better, like for instance better registry control or better dll management.

You may never have done stats, but a sample size of one, is too small to give any meaningful information, especially when it comes from someone who punts MS at every possible opportunity (a biased source).

 

[DJNgoma]

i think (to the poster with the 1 second boot time) that the asrock system is in reality just resuming from s3. their own little "cheat" system to make boot-ups appear faster.

in which case, yes, I can beat that, any viiv-capable machine will resume from away mode quicker than you can resume from s3.

Difference is that it is a cheat that manipulates Microsoft's S3 and S4 ACPI setup and doesn't draw any power when put off, the only con is not having a password (but I don't have anything to hide anyway). I think 1 sec is more of an exaggeration on my part but it is more like under 7 secs (apparently 4 secs in Vista).

P.S. My name is DJNgoma and not "the poster" lol.

 

[killadoob]

Perhaps instead of moralizing, you can tell me, whether there are any improvements in 7 that make it better, like for instance better registry control or better dll management.

You may never have done stats, but a sample size of one, is too small to give any meaningful information, especially when it comes from someone who punts MS at every possible opportunity (a biased source).

When do i punt microsoft? I have said vista was not good because it runs poorly on slow pc's, i said windows xp is just rubbish and that i love windows 7

Sadly just like i was told i should try something before having an opinion and i did try ubuntu and it was nice but could not use it as my main OS.

So try windows 7 and stop acting like i am just a MS supporter, i love windows 7 because it is just amazing. If you want stick to xp and don't want totry windows 7, i could not care less . Not my loss .

 

[blaaislaai]

11 sec?
Did they start counting from the windows bootup logo?

 

[Tassidar]

When do i punt microsoft? I have said vista was not good because it runs poorly on slow pc's, i said windows xp is just rubbish and that i love windows 7

Sadly just like i was told i should try something before having an opinion and i did try ubuntu and it was nice but could not use it as my main OS.

So try windows 7 and stop acting like i am just a MS supporter, i love windows 7 because it is just amazing. If you want stick to xp and don't want totry windows 7, i could not care less . Not my loss .

Hi Killa,

Firstly, Windows 7 hasn't been released yet, and I don't have time to install Windows and then reinstall it later.

Secondly, I'll see how much it costs. I'm not spending a fortune on Windows 7. If it is reasonably priced, I probably will buy it - don't hold much hope though.

I posted in a rage this morning, as I still maintain Windows should never reboot a computer without asking.

I'll hold out and see if people start complaining about Windows 7 slow down before I make a judgment. However, I still maintain that there is no reason for Windows not to slow down as I don't know of any architectural changes that will prevent it.

 

[PeterCH]

Actually tassidar windows 7 does not seem to slow down, i have tons of apps and games installed and my boot time is exactly what it is was when i first loaded windows 7, windows 7 in my opinion does not get slower with time and programs like xp.

I was thinking though that maybe the slow down is linked to the 7200rpm drives and maybe ssd's don't suffer the same fate, i have been using an ssd for vista and windows 7 and never noticed a slow down on either OS.

But SSDs except for Intel's X-25 M and E models DO slow down as they fill up.
I'm hoping that the new generation Toshiba's don't have this problem either - they can do 270MB/sec read and 230MB/sec write and the new 500GB model looks nice .

 

[milomak]

fascination with boot times is something i also don't understand

 

[PeterCH]

fascination with boot times is something i also don't understand

PCs should be like appliances. You don't wait 30sec to 5min to have your TV start up, or your car or your microwave to start to heat food.

 

[I am Penguin]

PCs should be like appliances. You don't wait 30sec to 5min to have your TV start up, or your car or your microwave to start to heat food.

So use suspend to ram and presto problem solved.

Wish my 2500W kettle could start up in 11 seconds. That will be something hey, 20seconds to make coffee? Wonder if I can drink it all in 11 seconds flat?

 

[milomak]

PCs should be like appliances. You don't wait 30sec to 5min to have your TV start up, or your car or your microwave to start to heat food.

you have to wait to use a stove? so too to get toast from a toaster?

 

[werner]

Difference is that it is a cheat that manipulates Microsoft's S3 and S4 ACPI setup and doesn't draw any power when put off, the only con is not having a password (but I don't have anything to hide anyway). I think 1 sec is more of an exaggeration on my part but it is more like under 7 secs (apparently 4 secs in Vista).

P.S. My name is DJNgoma and not "the poster" lol.

sorry djngoma, i tend not to look at names so my reply is not biased, but i will make an excpetion and call you by your preferred name.

you may call me freeman werner, of the clan pretoria.

s3 does draw power, although a slight amount, not enough to panic about. s4 is a zero-power state.
re: the password, you should be able to have joy via control panel/power/advanced/prompt for password when computer resumes from standby.

and away mode is truly less than 1 sec..just like an appliance, like it was designed.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v53hLyEsx1k[/ame]
the machine he is holding and demoing @ 1:10 is one I sent him specifically for E3 intel viiv purposes.

 

[PeterCH]

you have to wait to use a stove? so too to get toast from a toaster?

Think about those things. The stove turns ON immediately - the laws of physics say that it will take time for the current in the resistance coil to dissipate enough energy to raise the temperature - but that effect commences immediately - you don't wait for 3 minutes for the stove to become ready for you to put the heat on. The same for the toaster - it starts to heat the bread from the moment you press the handle down.

In contrast PCs take ages to BOOT UP (switch on) and only then can you start to do your work - and that takes time (type up a document, edit a video clip, download a file etc).

Computers should be like all other appliances, they should switch on immediately and be ready after less than 1 second.

 

[I am Penguin]

Computers should be like all other appliances, they should switch on immediately and be ready after less than 1 second.

They do if you suspend to RAM.

 

[PeterCH]

So use suspend to ram and presto problem solved.

Wish my 2500W kettle could start up in 11 seconds. That will be something hey, 20seconds to make coffee? Wonder if I can drink it all in 11 seconds flat?

You make a serious logical flaw there. The kettle starts to heat the water immediately, it just takes so much time to make the water molecules move fast enough to start to form vapour (gas phase) and that depends on the amount of energy supplied and atmospheric pressure (height above sea level). In comparison the computer takes ages before it is available to do work, then you only start to type your document - it would be like having to wait 30sec to 2 min to get the kettle into such a state that the element could start to work. The kettle works from the second you supply it with power.

In other words - the kettle heating the water = you typing the document,
but unlike the PC, the kettle has no latency in terms of waiting for it to be ready to start to do its work. I'm surprised a smart chap like you can make such logic errors.

 

[PeterCH]

They do if you suspend to RAM.

Which is a cop-out, in suspend-to-ram your PC still needs juice (power).

It should be able to power on as fast as a DVD player or a microwave oven.

 

[werner]

by the same token, does your pc not start executing code the second the power is applied?

sure, user-useable code takes a minute to come into effect, but so does your stove take time to heat up enough to be a useful cooking implement. so does the kettle, so does the toaster....just playing devils advocate...

my tv, a nice lcd, literally does boot-up...from power on to a display+audio is around 5 seconds..probably runs a wince version somewhere.

same goes for xbox, ps3 etc...all these things are software controlled devices, and the software takes time to load and initialise. same with mobiles.....

we could go back to apurely analog world, but i think we would look at what we currently have with fond memories were that to happen...so many advantages with being able to run code.

heck, even the electric windows in my car dont operate the second the key is turned...takes about 3 for the controller to do all its self checks and give the ok for the buttons to work.

 

[PeterCH]

by the same token, does your pc not start executing code the second the power is applied?

There is no reason why the PC needs to take SO LONG to execute enough code to be functional. We've put a probe on Mars and men on the moon but we have to wait for a PC to boot up?

sure, user-useable code takes a minute to come into effect, but so does your stove take time to heat up enough to be a useful cooking implement. so does the kettle, so does the toaster....just playing devils advocate...

Well those things depend on the laws of physics. But again, comparing the heating of food (stove's sole function) is the same as doing the work you do on your PC - you don't finish your work the second Vista boots up, do you?
You only start to do it then.

my tv, a nice lcd, literally does boot-up...from power on to a display+audio is around 5 seconds..probably runs a wince version somewhere.

My HD plasma with numerous built in processors from Hitachi Electronic Co. takes about a second to fire up. The picture takes that long to appear - I guess because the phosphor takes that long to start emitting light. I wouldn't mind if a PC booted in 1 or 2 secs either.

same goes for xbox, ps3 etc...all these things are software controlled devices, and the software takes time to load and initialise. same with mobiles.....

Which is all bad. These are all mini computers or full computers. They should start instantaneously.

we could go back to apurely analog world, but i think we would look at what we currently have with fond memories were that to happen...so many advantages with being able to run code.

I don't think this has anything to do with analog vs digital. I think its there because code is not optimised and scientists haven't concentrated on getting things to work fast. Maybe a HDD needs time to unpark and spin up but on an SSD bootup should't require THAT wait - yet one still waits while all the stuff loads.

heck, even the electric windows in my car dont operate the second the key is turned...takes about 3 for the controller to do all its self checks and give the ok for the buttons to work.

Must be your car, in my car they work instantaneously.


Oh yes, you don't wait for ages for your calculator (even scientific ones) to boot up either, ne? Pressing ON - means the 0 lights up immediately.
A computer should be like all other appliances.

 

[I am Penguin]

Which is a cop-out, in suspend-to-ram your PC still needs juice (power).

It should be able to power on as fast as a DVD player or a microwave oven.

These simple domestic devices "boots" from fimware imbedded electronics, they do not read from a booting hard drive. The only way to speed a PC's boot up process is to speed up the CPU processing cycles and hard drive reading/loading speed. That is possible by using SSHD's and top level CPU's/GPU', but that cost much more money. So the argument just not make sense. Even a DVD drive take time, it's not in a instant, it has to read the information into a memory buffer to be displayed, and that is minimum information like a menu and cannot be compared to the amount of information that has to be read by a PC, which need to load drivers, set up displays, start your software as loaded etc.

PS: are you sure this is not just a run-up to your usual "Bash windows, etc" rants?