Windows 7 Touch, Dead On Arrival

Peter i think we both know your agenda so keep goin mate, it is funny when someone so clueless about something makes threads and comments about it :D

I know you have not used either vista or windows 7. You have told me and penguin many times before :D.
 
Peter is a pansy, he still uses XP...

A real MS basher uses Linux or OSX only when bashing so he fails the MS bash test.
 
Just want to chirp in here,

All of the big NETBOOKS manufacturers are already releasing TABLET PCs , guess what they are gonna use as an OS ? NOT Apple , NOT Linux, but Windows 7 . THIS is why this touch thing is a relatively big thing.

Asus started with these little Linux netbooks for cheap, in the end people WANTED windows XP on them..and the windows XP netbooks are the ones that are selling now.

In fact NOKIA [of all companies] have announced this exact thing a month ago, they are making a TABLET with Windows 7 on it [not symbian, not maemo , win 7] .

Now i've seen a few demos of what Microsoft is -actually- going for with this touch thing...but i think it's a bit too far ahead for most consumers. It's that coffee table effect where the entire "surface" of the table is a touchscreen and you can slide everything around, even play board games and things like that. So yes, that part i think it's too expensive and probably won't happen in a mainstream fashion, but the tablet PCs/touchscreen netbooks are here and this is the next evolution of netbooks....EBOOK READERS and the likes...

...and whether Microsoft's implementation is better or worse than Apple's....doesn't matter...Apple lock you into their hardware, Microsoft doesn't. So unless Apple releases a TABLET , Apple can shove their touch features in Leopard you know where...
 
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just a side note to put thing in disarray :p I used a touch screen more than 10years back its not a new technology its been around for donkey years when I used a touch screen it was on good old WINDOWS 3.11 for work groups wonder how many ppl used that OS:rolleyes:

any how my point is you dont need windows 7 to run touch screens cos if I could run touch screens 3.11 what makes it special to run it on windows 7
 
Mineer said:
any how my point is you dont need windows 7 to run touch screens cos if I could run touch screens 3.11 what makes it special to run it on windows 7
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It's like bing, the same thing rebranded and updated.
 
I am not sure what makes it special, maybe just media center's and programs can be run on a touch screen, i doubt windows 3.11 could run a media center, let alone high end programs. So it could be you don't need a special OS for a touchscreen you just need a monitor where as if you wanted a touch screen pc you needed a touch screen OS.
 
I am Penguin said:
The problem is really that i believe you sit everyday of your life, all day long, scanning for negative (even FUD articles) to bash Windows 7/Sony or Microsoft. You make it your self appointed life duty to spam every Windows7 related thread with garbage and the OS is not even commercially released as yet and YOU never even trialed or experienced anything of it. We all want to hear the GOOD and the BAD of windows7 as there seems to be very little issues with it, but not for the same reasons you spam the threads. Must be a lonely life not able to use the MAC to the fullest extend and then there is the rest of your outdated hardware the salesman conned you into buying and .................. the economy and DRM and Japan and all the same repetative arguments You always raise.

Anyway enjoy it. I lost interest in this thread when I realised a MAC OSX exspert fanboi is trying his best to bash windows7 just because he believes he can. Nothing personal just common sense.
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Dude - it's NOT FUD. It's a different opinion. Everything is FUD to you which opposes your fixed point of view that Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm presenting an alternative POV.

What you can do, is argue and explain WHY you disagree - but don't abuse the 'FUD' label - because I don't spread Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. I'm not telling people NOT to buy Win 7 and even if I was Win 7 would still be sold - do you know how big MS' marketing dept is?

Secondly I'm not against MS since I said Win XP is good enough. I've experienced numerous companies and organisations - including the United States Marine Corps and Navy who are staying with Win XP and some are still keeping Win 2000. These people are not spreading FUD.

If you don't like someone's opinion - that's fine - but don't attack the other person. To be honest Penguin you should have been banned from this site long ago - the amount of insult I've had from you would get most other banned from here LONG AGO. Now I could ignore you and 99% of me says I should - since you've never been able to really string together a polite, coherent argument outside of ad hominem attacks but injustice irks me. Injustice is when someone like you attacks me with personal attacks all the while I'm just discussing operating systems or DRM or some issue not personally connected with anyone. If I was 'dissing' your religion, race, culture, country or family - I can understand a response filled with emotion - but to coldly attack another person and hurl insult (like the 'droppings' you've used above - why not just call it 'excrement') - is vulgar, rude and low class.

Everyone has an opinion. This forum is full of Pro-Win 7 articles and I occasionally post articles which question Win and MS and other things such as DRM. That is entirely within my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS - ie you under penalty of law have no right to prohibit me from expressing my opinion - this includes harassment. The owner of this website can censor anyone - as this website is not free - but he's not doing that.

Finally if Win 7 is so cool, and its position is so secure why are you and killadoob so concerned what I say. Why do you care? Post your replies and explain why the arguments are faulty (not just that they're faulty) but don't get worked up over this. I don't get worked up over people bashing Macs - why do you guys get worked up and why do you use ad hominem attacks?

If you want to be taken seriously, and as a cultured, educated and wise human being you will not attack another poster. You will attack the argument and do it validly - but you won't attack another person by saying they're spreading 'FUD' or refer to his other posts. Please stop doing this - if you continue to do so I will start reporting your posts until you will be banned.

Let's agree to disagree but let's agree to respect each other as people. OK?
 
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I am Penguin said:
AND You left droppings in ALL of them.
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I think the word 'excrement' is better. You bolded ALL - so you're sure I've commented in ALL the Win 7 articles or are you maybe just generalising a bit too much?

Anyway - don't bother answering. Just grow up and quit the ad hominem attacks.
 
Mineer said:
just a side note to put thing in disarray :p I used a touch screen more than 10years back its not a new technology its been around for donkey years when I used a touch screen it was on good old WINDOWS 3.11 for work groups wonder how many ppl used that OS:rolleyes:

any how my point is you dont need windows 7 to run touch screens cos if I could run touch screens 3.11 what makes it special to run it on windows 7
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The technology has not caught on, like video calling, because it's inconvenient. Touch screens in PCs are like a solution in search of a problem. Yes you can put them there but the keyboard, mouse, trackpad and trackpoint are easier input methods. Primarily this is so because the screen is so far away and to achieve precise control over our hand movements we need to use our big arm and shoulder muscles which are great for large scaled but imprecise movements. To write we the smaller muscles in our forearms and hands/fingers which are more precise and also adapted for low energy yet repetitive movements while our bulkier muscles tire more quickly.
This leads to the 'gorilla arm' as is known colloquially.

You can hold a pen and write for hours on end - but extend your elbow and move your arm in front of you and see how long you can manage that? Not long - hence the reason why MOUSE/Keyboard and writing with pens is easier than writing on a blackboard for long periods of using a touch screen repetitively.
 
things I notice:

1. MS seems to push this as a consumer benefit
2. From an objective POV (ie not fighting Peter/Peter not trying to make MS look bad), the application of touchscreen on comsumer PCs seems gimmicky.
- Seems to not be useful in typing/spreadsheets
- Can't see t really working with gaming
- Browsing may have a chance. But that would mean I have to lean into my screen rather than relax against my chair and use my mouse
- Would that mean we eradicate carpal and create back problems?


I think it is fair to say as a consumer app, Touch screen offers little. That being said, I can see how on a laptop it has a chance of making it.

I remember using Touch screen technology for a maths program called Plato in 1991 in Std 7.



EDIT: I should add I am one of those people that look for keyboard shortcuts because they are faster than moving away from the keyboard to the mouse to do something.
 
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The thing is milo i think a touch screen could very well work nicely but you have always needed drivers or a specific OS to run it, now all you need is a touch screen capable monitor.

I think just out of curiosity if i could find a nice affordable touch screen i would look into it, the nice thing is all you have to do with windows 7 is plug in the monitor. You don't need a touch screen OS like windows xp tablet.

I do agree milo that i doubt it will catch on, although it would be nice to touch the screen sometimes i reckon :D.
 
When it comes to new technology, it takes time (and some imagination) for people to think 'out of the box'.

I think the simulator gaming community is always on the cutting edge of using cool technologies. Touch screen doesn't necessarily need to be used on your main screen. Sim communities have been using it for multi-functional input devices. Eg, like display the multi-function displays in a jet. Just look at the prospects of using ATI's Eyefinity and touch together.

Other uses could be, wireless touchable displays connected to your home server PC, which controls everything from your lights to your home theatre.

The problem was that it was always difficult to setup something like this. Touch screen inputs will definitely become more accessible if any Joe Shmoe could set it up.
 
Touch is only good for small form factor, use a small netbook like a magazine, book etc.

My iphone does this already.
 
As do many phones now, i had an htc touch that was pretty good.

My ex has a samsung touch which is just incredible.
 
The thing is; stop thinking typical "home desktop" setup. In the past, touchscreens were very limited with single touch. With multi-touch, keyboards can be replaced by a flat multi-function "screen". It will have the functions of a standard keyboard and with the press of a button, it could transform into something more useful - like a design pad for photoshop users. As an artists, the prospects of drawing directly on a digital canvas is very exciting.
 
RoosTa said:
The thing is; stop thinking typical "home desktop" setup. In the past, touchscreens were very limited with single touch. With multi-touch, keyboards can be replaced by a flat multi-function "screen". It will have the functions of a standard keyboard and with the press of a button, it could transform into something more useful - like a design pad for photoshop users. As an artists, the prospects of drawing directly on a digital canvas is very exciting.
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Perhaps - and as you say - for specialists - but what's punted is consumer touch and as per InfoWorld article - it's not very well implemented (in Win or SL). Proprietary touch has always been possible and is independent of the OS.
 
PeterCH said:
Perhaps - and as you say - for specialists - but what's punted is consumer touch and as per InfoWorld article - it's not very well implemented (in Win or SL). Proprietary touch has always been possible and is independent of the OS.
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In the good old dos days, a mouse was also punted for "specialists" - it was a luxury back then and often not needed. Then when OS' got GUIs, it became as common as a keyboard.

Touch screens can have many uses beyond a "specialists" needs. You just need a little imagination on what an interactive multipurpose input tool can do for the user experience.

Have you even seen how ridiculous visual studio's short-cut keys are?
 
Respect is earned not given and you cannot ask for respect when you act the way you do peter.
 
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