Windows 8 "we couldn't process your order"

I have been trying to pay for my win 8 upgrade since this afternoon but every time I try to process the order I get " we couldn't process your order"

I have tried 3 different credit cards and no luck. Anyone have a clue what could be the story?

Had the same problem on Monday and tried my Nedbank CC and Capitec Debit Card. I've bought two upgrades previously using my Nedbank CC and nothing has changed since then, still using the same ISP, still using the same route to purchase.

Could not purchase upgrade in the end.
 
I honestly don't really care about all the other crap, and I hear the underlying OS has some nice new features too.
But those hideous tiles are the major turn off for me.
My kids have Fisher Price toys which are better looking than that juvenile crap that MS is trying to pass off as a major technological advancement.
Major defective bowel movement seems more appropriate.

I can find a new start button if I want one.
I can install VLC if I wanna watch videos.
I don't give a crap about the licenses... I'll probably buy it and then crack it anyway.

But forcing me to use that Metro crap (which may or may not be nice on a tablet... I dunno) on my desktop just does not gel with me.
I don't have a touch screen and it will probably be a couple more years before I get one.
But even if I had a touch screen on my desktop... Windows 8 is not the OS I would run on it.

You can call that my personal preference if you want, that's all it is.

You see that is at least a valid reason to dislike it, personal taste is the reason I won't wear crocs no matter how comfy they are! :p

It took me a while to get used to the tiles as well, but they eventually grew on me, I think the fact that I only see them for maybe 20secs a day helps.
 
Don't believe everything you read. I honestly can't believe these rumours are still floating around.
I can see some people not liking the look and feel of it, and that's fine, but these points are all BS.

Not so.

* You may have to pay in future to use Windows Media CENTER, not media player which is still free. Also you can get a WMC licence key for free for the time being.

That's what I mean. "For now" is MS's reaction to the furore. Cheapskates!

* The WinRT platform in its current form is not a replacement for Win32 and never will be.

At this stage certainly not. Crap is crap. Read Arthur's posts about WinRT though on this forum. One in the series is here.

* Only after being suspended (not the currently active application). Developers can cater for this happening quite easily.

Nevertheless true, and pretty ghastly to contemplate if there are ever any serious applications available and running - and some program junks a few hours data crunching for you.


* These rumours have been around since Windows XP, will never happen. They'll be knee-deep in anti-trust cases before it ever reaches the consumer.

No - a fact. ( MANY other sites about this if you Google the issue. )

"Secure Boot feature of the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) found on modern Windows 8 PCs will only allow an OS to boot if its code has been digitally signed with a key obtained from Microsoft."

* Windows 8 Pro comes with Hyper-V and supports booting from VHD meaning even if you can't dual boot (which you can) you can still run whichever OS you want.

Oh whoop-de-doop. So I must load Win8 first so I can run Linux. LOL!


* See above

No, see MS's site:

"Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. "

Combine this with the secure boot and you have a problem.


* Won't happen for Win32 apps. You can also side-load RT apps on Win8 and WP8, so no one is "forcing" you to use the store. Also there have been no major security breaches on the store.

Of course it won't happen with Win32. But if the long term intention is to junk the "legacy" of Win32, where does that leave you? The store might not have had a security breach, but some ( probably now ex- ) Nokia tech posted a whole piss-easy story on how to convert trial apps to registered ones plus a whole pile of other stuff once the app is on your machine.

Stuff MS and their greed.
 
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Yay! Someone who actually responds with more than some random fanboy accusation! :)

See below.

That's what I mean. "For now" is MS's reaction to the furore. Cheapskates!

You are confusing media player with media center. You'll always be able to play your stuff for free in media player. Media center is used mainly in media center PCs and not used by 99% of users.

At this stage certainly not. Crap is crap. Read Arthur's posts about WinRT though on this forum. One in the series is here.

No offense to Arthur but that is simply not possible. I've done quite a bit of dev on Windows 8 RT apps. The limitations are much, MUCH more comprehensive than just the OS being able to terminate apps. These limitations mean that you won't be able to build RT replacements for most of the Win32 apps you use.

Where they did with WinRT is wrap Win32 in a service layer so they can make changes to the underlying platform without compromising on backwards compatibility. While I do agree that the long term strategy would be to get all apps running on this service layer, they will still fall outside of the "Metro" app framework and be without its limitations. Hence I say that it will not replace Win32 in its current form.

Nevertheless true, and pretty ghastly to contemplate if there are ever any serious applications available and running - and some program junks a few hours data crunching for you.

In RT your apps can't run in the background unless it's a browser or music player. Another reason why RT will NOT replace Win32 any time soon.

No - a fact. ( MANY other sites about this if you Google the issue. )

"Secure Boot feature of the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) found on modern Windows 8 PCs will only allow an OS to boot if its code has been digitally signed with a key obtained from Microsoft."

Okay here you've got two concepts completely mixed up. What they are referring to are code signing keys, NOT licence keys. Code signing keys ensure that the OS files have not been tampered with (for any OS), and are implemented by the guys building the OS, not the end-user.

This also has nothing to do with Windows 8, and more with the product manufacturers.

Oh whoop-de-doop. So I must load Win8 first so I can run Linux. LOL!

This is merely an alternative to a situation that doesn't exist. (Above)

No, see MS's site:

"Generally, an end user can upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on a computer—except the motherboard—and still retain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created. Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred to the new computer, and the license of new operating system software is required. "

Combine this with the secure boot and you have a problem.

They are referring to OEM licences, not retail licences. OEM licences are bought in bulk by PC manufacturers so that you get a copy of Windows with your new PC for a tenth of the price. Considering that it is this cheap it makes sense it to be only valid on that PC.

This has always been the case with OEM licences. The licences you and I buy are free from these restrictions.

Of course it won't happen with Win32. But if the long term intention is to junk the "legacy" of Win32, where does that leave you? The store might not have had a security breach, but some ( probably now ex- ) Nokia tech posted a whole piss-easy story on how to convert trial apps to registered ones plus a whole pile of other stuff once the app is on your machine.

Stuff MS and their greed.

This was patched before Win8 was released. This is also possible on a jailbroken (jailbreaked?) iPhone.

You say stuff MS and their greed yet they take the smallest slice of app revenue of any of the large platforms, they've made the dev tools available for free and they let you upgrade for next to nothing. That sure sounds greedy.
 
Yay! Someone who actually responds with more than some random fanboy accusation! :)

Why thank you, and for being civil.

You are confusing media player with media center. You'll always be able to play your stuff for free in media player. Media center is used mainly in media center PCs and not used by 99% of users.

Can I play a DVD on a clean new installed Windows 8 with no add-ons installed? CNet say "no" - are they wrong?



No offense to Arthur but that is simply not possible. I've done quite a bit of dev on Windows 8 RT apps. The limitations are much, MUCH more comprehensive than just the OS being able to terminate apps. These limitations mean that you won't be able to build RT replacements for most of the Win32 apps you use.

Where they did with WinRT is wrap Win32 in a service layer so they can make changes to the underlying platform without compromising on backwards compatibility. While I do agree that the long term strategy would be to get all apps running on this service layer, they will still fall outside of the "Metro" app framework and be without its limitations. Hence I say that it will not replace Win32 in its current form.

Thank the lord for small mercies. Clearly you are right - Photoshop-for-Metro is a way off then? ;)

Okay here you've got two concepts completely mixed up. What they are referring to are code signing keys, NOT licence keys. Code signing keys ensure that the OS files have not been tampered with (for any OS), and are implemented by the guys building the OS, not the end-user.

This also has nothing to do with Windows 8, and more with the product manufacturers.

It has to do with Microsoft. Go look for all the hoo-hah about shims and pre-bootloaders, and schnukkeled MS keys for Ubuntu and Red Hat and others. You have to have a Microsoft key.

This was patched before Win8 was released. This is also possible on a jailbroken (jailbreaked?) iPhone.

Not so. Here is one of the reports. It is like kiddy play to do. Small easy hacks - no jailbreaking, no invalidating warranties.

You say stuff MS and their greed yet they take the smallest slice of app revenue of any of the large platforms, they've made the dev tools available for free and they let you upgrade for next to nothing. That sure sounds greedy.

I'll respond when more time is available.
 
Yes. Other nasties:

- you have to pay ( or will have to ) to play DVDs via MS's media player
- the long term intention is to scrap win32, replacing it with winRT, which forces you into:
- full-screen applications with minimal ability to view more than one at once, even on monster screens, and which
- can be dumped anytime if the OS needs resources, and which are launched via:
- hideous tiles
- if you buy licensed, branded machines your windows key is hard coded into the BIOS which might mean, with secure boot that
- you are going to sukkel to load Linux on there if you wish to, and that
- if lightning zaps your motherboard you will have to buy a new Win key
- you are "encouraged" ( koff koff ), if not forced, to get your wot-woz-once-named-Metro software through the MS store, even though store devs are a bit furkled because:
- it seems piss-easy to hack the security
- and all they had to do was give you an option on install to not use wot-woz-once-named-Metro, but they want to force you into the *new, improved, reimagined* world of MS, larkit or lumpit
- inter alia

The problem is, at root, that Steve Ballbag is no visionary, no Steve Jobs, not even a Bill Gates.

-They lowered the fee of Windows by removing stuff like DVD licences, and allowing people to buy it as a "DLC". That's good in a lot of people books because it means they can just get VLC or whatever they want.
-ABSOLUTE BS. If any platform gets scrapped it will be WinRT. Intel chips are getting to the point where they use almost as little power as ARM, plus don't need fans. All thats left is to get the price down. (talking about atoms here). So yeah, BS. MS will not be killing the desktop as we know it.
-Pretty much the rest of your points are to do with you thinking that you are "forced" into using metro apps. Ignore the store for a second, and if you use W8 just like W7, you get basically exactly the same OS except faster, more stable, and cheaper.

Stop spreading FUD.

EDIT: I didn't read the second page before writing this, so didn't realize a lot of this was already covered :P
 
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-They lowered the fee of Windows by removing stuff like DVD licences, and allowing people to buy it as a "DLC".

They did not go the DVD license route to
1. Save costs and make greater profit OR
2. Lower the price of Win8 to be nice to the consumer

Is the glass half full or half empty? In any event it is cheapskate.

-ABSOLUTE BS. If any platform gets scrapped it will be WinRT. Intel chips are getting to the point where they use almost as little power as ARM, plus don't need fans. All thats left is to get the price down. (talking about atoms here). So yeah, BS. MS will not be killing the desktop as we know it.

I am not talking about the ARM tablet but the WinRT set of APIs. Go read Arthur's posts about where MS are going with that. If he is wrong they are just stoopid. Try to get with the program here.


-Pretty much the rest of your points are to do with you thinking that you are "forced" into using metro apps. Ignore the store for a second, and if you use W8 just like W7, you get basically exactly the same OS except faster, more stable, and cheaper.

Well, Win7 ain't so great anyway. But I think you are naive about MS.

Stop spreading FUD.

I spread the real deal, not the marketing rubbish all the young 'uns and fanbois lap up from MS. Stop spreading ill-informed crap yourself.

EDIT: I didn't read the second page before writing this, so didn't realize a lot of this was already covered :P

Well that's helpful. :wtf:
 
They did not go the DVD license route to
1. Save costs and make greater profit OR
2. Lower the price of Win8 to be nice to the consumer

Is the glass half full or half empty? In any event it is cheapskate.



I am not talking about the ARM tablet but the WinRT set of APIs. Go read Arthur's posts about where MS are going with that. If he is wrong they are just stoopid. Try to get with the program here.




Well, Win7 ain't so great anyway. But I think you are naive about MS.



I spread the real deal, not the marketing rubbish all the young 'uns and fanbois lap up from MS. Stop spreading ill-informed crap yourself.



Well that's helpful. :wtf:
-The price of W8 is VERY low. It doesn't matter how they did that, fact is there is a very low barrier of entry.

-I know, but that doesn't change what I am saying. WinRT (yes the API's) will never be the only thing running on Windows. Microsoft does not want every bit of software to use it. There is no way Visual Studio/Photoshop etc would be able to work well in that sandbox, and MS knows that.

-All us young'uns? Really? Come on. If you don't like Windows then why are you even here? W7 is the most used OS in the world - I'm sorry to say, but [lots of] the rest of the world will disagree with you about it not being good. You are so against MS that it makes you blind to the facts.

So why are you here? If you hate W8 so much then just stick to W7. And if you hate Windows in general then stick to Linux or whatever you like. You don't have to get all butt-hurt.
 
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-The price of W8 is VERY low. It doesn't matter how they did that, fact is there is a very low barrier of entry.

Only for a few months. After that it is expensive - way more so than MacOS X for example.

-I know, but that doesn't change what I am saying. WinRT (yes the API's) will never be the only thing running on Windows. Microsoft does not want every bit of software to use it. There is no way Visual Studio/Photoshop etc would be able to work well in that sandbox, and MS knows that.

I can only hope you are right. Would you say that MS will keep Win32 going forever then? Or until when. It IS a bit of a mess y'know.

-All us young'uns? Really? Come on. If you don't like Windows then why are you even here? W7 is the most used OS in the world - I'm sorry to say, but [lots of] the rest of the world will disagree with you about it not being good. You are so against MS that it makes you blind to the facts.

So why are you here? If you hate W8 so much then just stick to W7. And if you hate Windows in general then stick to Linux or whatever you like. You don't have to get all butt-hurt.

Win7 is OK, no more. It could have been better. And Win8, well, I'll respond to that when responding to Frikkenator.

The only people going to get butt-hurt are the Win8 fanbois, if it does not fail, when they wake up to find the new MS sales paradigm deep up their arses. Imagine that - getting raped by a paradigm LOL!
 
Only for a few months. After that it is expensive - way more so than MacOS X for example.

I can only hope you are right. Would you say that MS will keep Win32 going forever then? Or until when. It IS a bit of a mess y'know.

Win7 is OK, no more. It could have been better. And Win8, well, I'll respond to that when responding to Frikkenator.

The only people going to get butt-hurt are the Win8 fanbois, if it does not fail, when they wake up to find the new MS sales paradigm deep up their arses. Imagine that - getting raped by a paradigm LOL!
If I am *not* right about Win32, then Microsoft are idiots. Only time will tell, but one thing thats for sure is that MS isn't stupid. They have done stupid things, but I highly highly doubt they would kill the very thing that made Windows so big. Only twitter would do that to devs :P
I don't see Win32 lasting forever, but I don't see it going anywhere for our generation.

Not quite sure what you mean? Firstly, it probably won't fail. Vista is the closes they have come to an OS failing recently, and it still didn't actually fail. And how are users getting raped? I love new "metro" apps because it means that nice touchy apps on my tablet work just as well on my main desktop. And I've wanted a Windows app store since forever. It just makes stuff easier. Before I would never consider buying "apps" online. But now that it all goes through a safe gateway I'm happy to. It's safe, plus I get to give money to devs that deserve it.

To close, I don't understand how I am being raped by MS because I have been wanting exactly this OS for a long time - and now I get most of what I want. For me (please read those two words a few times), I absolutely love W8 - and would pay more for it that W7. If liking something and explaining why I do makes me a fanboi then I guess I am OK with that. And that also means that we are all fanbois for something.

Hell, I'm a bacon fanboi. At my wedding I had like 6 different types of bacon. But that doesn't mean I troll vegetarian forums telling them that they are being raped by the marketing behind "organic foods".
 
Back to topic: Spoke to someone with the same problem. No matter what card they tried, nothing worked and the transactions failed every time.

It turned out the problem was with their ISP (in the Eastern Cape, in this case). When they logged on using another ISP, the transactions went through immediately and without issue.
 
Back to topic: Spoke to someone with the same problem. No matter what card they tried, nothing worked and the transactions failed every time.

It turned out the problem was with their ISP (in the Eastern Cape, in this case). When they logged on using another ISP, the transactions went through immediately and without issue.

1 Running as administrator in Windows XP mode
2 Changing ISP to SAIX
3 Using VPN

These are the things that worked for others. #1 worked for me so didn't test 2 & 3
 
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Back to topic: Spoke to someone with the same problem. No matter what card they tried, nothing worked and the transactions failed every time.

It turned out the problem was with their ISP (in the Eastern Cape, in this case). When they logged on using another ISP, the transactions went through immediately and without issue.

Well you were spot on, it was Afrihost to blame. Did it on Vox and worked first time, thanks.

Only thing now is it didn't seem to give me the option to save the ISO, when I hit next it just looks like it starts downloading. Did I do something wrong? How can I get around this? I have my product key, I guess all I need is the ISO from somewhere.


Edit: Nvm, apparently it asks you at the end of the download to save it as a ISO.
 
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Well you were spot on, it was Afrihost to blame. Did it on Vox and worked first time, thanks.

Only thing now is it didn't seem to give me the option to save the ISO, when I hit next it just looks like it starts downloading. Did I do something wrong? How can I get around this? I have my product key, I guess all I need is the ISO from somewhere.


Edit: Nvm, apparently it asks you at the end of the download to save it as a ISO.

So what does it download then? :confused:
 
It is still busy downloading. Had to disconnect as there was a huge storm, I am at 50% now.

I canceled that after purchase and used an iso I got myself. Was quicker and neater.
 
To the others, please excuse this excursion off the topic.

If liking something and explaining why I do makes me a fanboi then I guess I am OK with that. And that also means that we are all fanbois for something.

There are fanbois and then there are lapdogs.

I see on the site you publicise in your sig that you are on MS's BizSpark program. I take my hat off to you for that - quite an achievement. But...

As I understand that program, you get a whole pile of stuff ( software, access en watookal ) from MS for free. The only other business I have encountered on it also received a nice fat pile of cash too. Did you get MS funding? All this provided not out of MS's altruism believe me - MS don't really do altruism. Rather, out of marketing, and possibly the hope that someone somewhere writes some killer app.

So, you have a small business that is effectively being funded ( in cash and/or kind ) by Microsoft, which you don't come clean on and then accuse me of spreading FUD.

"Yo, Fluffy!" ( Fluffy is my vicious killer Toy Pom ), "Bare them fangs girl, there's lapdogs about!"

PS. Vista was a stuffup of note. A pile of dogpoo is better than Vista. Chernobyl was better than Vista. Why? Because NOTHING is worse than Vista. :p

PPS. I'm glad you like Win8 - you must let Steve know - he'll be so happy somebody actually likes it.
 
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