Jacob Nielsen's book "Designing Web Usability", even though it's almost 15yrs old, should still be required reading for anyone doing Web development.
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Jacob Nielsen's book "Designing Web Usability", even though it's almost 15yrs old, should still be required reading for anyone doing Web development.
killadoob
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In all honesty though DJ windows 8 really isn't much different. If you pin all your stuff to your taskbar the tile system is rendered useless.
You don't need to be a tech geek(btw that isn't a thing anymore) to understand how to pin programs to your taskbar. I have all my programs and even control panel pinned to my taskbar, obviously control panel you would not use much if you are struggling with windows 8 and that isn't an insult. Boot up click desktop and you have windows 7 provided your stuff is pinned.
If you need a program, just use your browser and go download it or install it via cd/dvd and pin it to your taskbar. Windows 8 is identical to windows 7 when you ignore metro and pin your programs.
Even using the tiles isn't rocket science, press the start key and click the tile you want to use. I can however recommend you get a laptop with a touch screen for windows 8, it is simply incredible.
You don't need to be a tech geek(btw that isn't a thing anymore) to understand how to pin programs to your taskbar. I have all my programs and even control panel pinned to my taskbar, obviously control panel you would not use much if you are struggling with windows 8 and that isn't an insult. Boot up click desktop and you have windows 7 provided your stuff is pinned.
If you need a program, just use your browser and go download it or install it via cd/dvd and pin it to your taskbar. Windows 8 is identical to windows 7 when you ignore metro and pin your programs.
Even using the tiles isn't rocket science, press the start key and click the tile you want to use. I can however recommend you get a laptop with a touch screen for windows 8, it is simply incredible.
NeoNarchy
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You caught me I am actually an closeted Linux user
Why would I have to radically change the setup of the OS to fit my needs doesn't that defeat the purpose of purchasing said OS, in actual fact what you are doing is making it look & feel more like 7? Why not just stick to 7?
What you fail to understand is that I was willing to learn & did actually use 8 at home & work for a long time but it all just adds up it just isn't functioning as a desktop OS, its not about hate but it turns into hate, I said it before & I will say it again its a pretty nice touch interface but not as a "normal" user interface, try & imagine how much work goes into prepping a machine with 8 & then supplying it to a customer nice if its only 1 type of hardware that gets supplied but custom building machines & setting up is to time consuming, I know we can have stock images bla bla bla but I can build install & update a 7 machine a lot faster with less hassles than doing a machine with 8 & then dealing with clients not knowing how or were to go or click. Its all about the bigger picture & the deployment of your computers than teaching people to learn 8.
In the end of the day itsabout getting my machines out as fast as possible with the least amount of effort & atm 8 doesn't cut it.
As to your first statement I think I know a little about Windows I have been using it since 3.1 & even a little DOS back in the day.
Not about hate but functionality. I am not posting to bash or troll I am just sharing my real world experience with the OS thus far.
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That's how I work now. But it is now incredibly cluttered. As is the metro interface...
abandonallhope
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Whoa whoa whoa champ, hold your horses ! He has no idea what you are talking about.
His own analogy dictates that he has no idea what those terms mean or imply.
These are obscure geek terms that only the inner circle of leetboys should research and deal with.
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Now you're simply acting like a childish moron...
killadoob
Honorary Master
LOL no i don't think DJ is saying that he knows nothing, anyone who has windows 7 knows how to pin programs to the taskbar, well i am assuming they would because it makes sense to pin your most used programs to the taskbar unless some people have icons all over their desktop
, clutter no thanx but that would mean they really don't know much and use their pc for what they need.DJ is pointing out that what may seem like child's play to me and you does not seem like that to people who may not have good knowledge of windows. My sister for instance is a CA and i bought her a windows 8 touch screen. Now dude she is one of the most intelligent people i know. She studied and partied for 12 years and earns crazy money but even she sent me a bbm asking for help but i knew she would need help because at first windows 8 seems like a whole different operating system.
Most people don't know much about windows, some of the most intelligent people for instance would have no idea how to uninstall and reload a sound card driver because they only do what they need to on their computers. when it breaks they pay someone to fix it. why do you think pc techs have jobs?
So DJ does have a point, many people are simply too busy to google everything and in the computer world when people who only use their computers for what they need a change in OS is a massive thing. Windows 8 isn't that bad but i can only imagine the chaos caused by vista, training courses must have been needed for vista because that was so vastly different yet to me and you it wasn't that bad.
I would like you to go and do what my sister does everyday, i can imagine you would have a blank look on your face.
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+1 It's rare that I agree with you
Windows 8 for average joe that just wan't to use his computer is not that simple. Yes there are ways to make it behave like win7 but that's beyond most people.
+1 It's rare that I agree with you
Windows 8 for average joe that just wan't to use his computer is not that simple. Yes there are ways to make it behave like win7 but that's beyond most people.
killadoob
Honorary Master
+1 It's rare that I agree with you
Windows 8 for average joe that just wan't to use his computer is not that simple. Yes there are ways to make it behave like win7 but that's beyond most people.
Dude windows 7 for the average joe isn't that easy. It's all about pinning to your taskbar, once you have everything you need on your taskbar, you click desktop on boot up and boom windows 7. The tile system was never really going to work on pc because pinning items is just so much easier. Other than that even the most noob user should be able to click on the icon on his taskbar and work on the program they need to without much fuss.
Ya dude, dj, haldex now ponder omw. The world is going crazy or am i changing hmmm not sure
.Dude windows 7 for the average joe isn't that easy. It's all about pinning to your taskbar, once you have everything you need on your taskbar, you click desktop on boot up and boom windows 7. The tile system was never really going to work on pc because pinning items is just so much easier. Other than that even the most noob user should be able to click on the icon on his taskbar and work on the program they need to without much fuss.
Ya dude, dj, haldex now ponder omw. The world is going crazy or am i changing hmmm not sure
I have to ask what the difference is between pinning on the task bar and pinning in the modernUI?
Also I run win8 without touch and I love the modern UI. I hardly ever use desktop anymore, got plex,hulu,netflix apps, games etc all on my UI and looking good.
cerebus
Honorary Master
Ok that's cool.. I also have a friend who runs ModernUI on his HPTC setup on his TV at home and he says it works very well on there.
killadoob
Honorary Master
Well when i am watching a video i can turn off winamp by moving mouse to the winamp icon. I don't have to keep going to the tile system to access my programs that are in use and switching between apps is faster. So if torrent winamp is going and i play a video i can switch off winamp and click on vlc, much faster for me anyhow. Modern UI i don't even use i just like windows 8 because it seems faster has a few other function i prefer over windows 7 and the start menu is finally gone not that it worried me in windows 7 as everything was pinned anyhow
. Even in xp there was a program i used to pin items. Can't recall it's name though. I prefer working from the desktop. Faster and perhaps i am more comfortable with it.-What Keyboard shortcuts do you have to remember? I don't actually use any keyboard shortcuts out of the ordinary with windows 8.
-The place you mouse in the right part of the screen, If you go to the very top edge of the corner (as in take your mouse right off the screen) it pops up after a second, then if you drag your mouse down it pops up fully. if you going to close something it doesn't take that long that you should get the pop up? that is kind of weird, i actually find it hard to get the thing to pop up sometimes so not sure how it gets in the way.
-I don't see why the search function wouldn't find apps, that is rather odd, mine always seems to work fine, I find it much easier and much more effective at finding things than the windows 7 search feature. but that could be more a personal preference. fair enough sometimes choice would be nice, but sometimes too much choice can cause more chaos for the less inclined to learn as then they land up with broken OS's. You seem fairly smart so some choice would be better.
-apps, like I said, I didn't use them on windows 7, I don't use them on windows 8. I don't see why all the hate for windows 8 though. If you don't like apps but still enjoy little things like weather apps etc use widgets? i'm sure they must still work on windows 8?
-As for the user account issue. When I installed windows xp, the first time you log in it asks you to create your user account. Windows vista - same thing, windows 7 same thing. Windows 8, decided to give you the option of choosing whether you want your hotmail integrated with your user account and if you said no it would have allowed you to create a completely offline account like windows 7 as far as I am aware? I decided I dont mind intergrating mine so havent tested the offline option but I saw a colleague at work that had an offline account working without hotmail passwords changing. I really don't see how this can be called a fail when they actually giving you more options. Also what about the picture password. I don't use my hotmail password ever, i use picture password to login and its so much easier and better in my opinion.
-as for the wireless issue, cant really comment there as I don't use wireless but i'm sure if it works in windows7 there will be someway to make it work in windows8, sure it does take a bit of tweaking and I understand people want it working just out the box but everything needs a little bit of tweaking to make it suit you, they cant build an operating system that suits everyones needs but I feel this one is great at tweaking but you also make one or 2 valid issues that need fixing but alot of it is just changing the way you do a few things and it usually after a little while lands up being quicker than windows 7 was once you used to it.
I think a lot of what you are saying is more file association problems, yes windows 8 does try and make you use their built in crap but the thing is if you just go to you file association options on day 1 you can sort it out in a few minutes. Is it a pain to have to do that? yes but windows 7 does it to maybe just not as intrusive and I agree with you that they should fix that for the average joe, just the first time you install say VLC in win 7 it asks if you want to associate it with all file types and that problem is gone. Now I feel you have to kind of do it manually or just associate the right files when it pops up asking what program do you want to play the file.
Windows defender is a bit of a joke now and I do agree with it being frustrating not being in the notification area. They really could turn it into a power house but will they? This aspect of any windows has always lacked though but the notifications were atleast sorted out with msse.
but yea I guess they could make it a bit more simple in some aspects, it just feels all so complicated because its new and is a bit of a change in layout and added a few odds and ends. Has a few bugs that need working out so perhaps it is not ready yet but I do like the direction they are going.
Roman4604
Executive Member
Even simpler, uninstall all the Modern (Metro) apps. Associations will either revert to desktop programs or you'll be presented with a dialog asking you to associate.
Agreed. Music, video (microsoft doesn't support mkv's WTF?!) Photos, Messaging all useless junk.
@DJ. At first I just thought you were a hater. But after doing some thinking about what you have been saying I can see where you are coming from. All the issues you have I could fix for you BUT that would mean I have to teach you. For the average joe who doesn't have someone to teach them this must be ****.
I've never thought about it like that and you are absolutely right. However this will get better with time and adoption and I still believe windows 8 is a step in the right direction.
P.S I still think you have anger issues
Roman4604
Executive Member
Then get oblytile and make modernUI look sexy!
