Windows: It's Over - ZDNet Article

[NeoNarchy]

Its not about crying/moaning/praising 8 its about the practical functionality as a desktop OS, it fails as such unless as I stated above you radically change the core. As a touch interface it will be great dare I say awesome.
The problem with loving or even hating something is that the more you love it the more you'll look past its "flaws" & focus on the positives & the same goes for hating where you'll only see the "flaws".

My feeling is that 8 was just a stop gap like ME & Vista its just a temporary OS to keep the investors happy for churning out another OS to get some $$$ but we all know that the "better" OS always skips a generation.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion as you will never be able to force your ideas on someone else, but in my case it's just not an OS that I like to work with, got 2 laptops in this morning to prep for clients & was relieved that they still shipped with 7 is just less of a mission.

 

[killadoob]

No crying like a baby because you don't like certain aspects is not really on, state why you don't like it and move. You don't need to go on and on and on about the same shyte you don't like for page after page after page.

Just load windows 7 state what you disliked and move on.

Windows touch is incredible. dare i say mind blowing right on. I want to get a touch screen for my desktop when i get a chance and upgrade it from windows 7 to 8 . I got 8 on my home pc and i don't see any flaws.

All my shyte works 100%

 

[AlphaJohn]

Oh, and Windows 7 still has the full Windows Media Centre experience.

No extra licence needed.

So does Windows 8, you just need to get a DVD decryption separably. Either via PowerDVD or Nero will do as well. Or if you outside the USA VLC or other Opensource lib's will do. I can understand why Microsoft removed this as they had to pay for every Copy of Windows regardless where it was sold. Nothing says waste like paying 3 times for the same licence even when its not needed in a country.

 

[cerebus]

Kingrob has done it the correct way, if you don't like it uninstall it and move on. Don't whine like baby about it being so bad.

I uninstalled it and moved on. The reasons I listed were the very reasons that made me uninstall it. That's not what we're actually discussing today. The topic is the lack of market success of Win8.

 

[Nerfherder]

Dj if i may ask were you forced into buying windows 8 or what? As in you bought a new laptop or computer with it preinstalled.

Perhaps what may be the best for a person who is struggling so much, take it to a pc shop get windows 7 reloaded and be done with windows 8. Your anger seems high the last couple days so you smash something. Go back to windows 7 for now.

my sister is loving windows 8 on her touch screen, slim acer s7 with windows 8 and touch screen. She said she wanted training but i told her to pin her stuff and use the desktop and then just fiddle and she has windows 8 working 100%. She thinks the tiles are the best thing she has ever seen. Touch screen so it must be pretty wicked.

Are you saying that we are not forced to use windows ?

and that eventually this version of windows will become standard and older versions will no longer be supported?

 

[killadoob]

Are you saying that we are not forced to use windows ?

and that eventually this version of windows will become standard and older versions will no longer be supported?

Well many new laptops come with windows 8 pre loaded thus you are forced to use windows 8 or buy another laptop so yes windows 8 will be forced on everyone very soon.

It's just obvious to put windows 8 at the moment on touch screen laptops because it was made for that but soon enough windows will be the standard OS on new computers.

Support will always be there for windows 7 because windows 8 is built basically off the back of windows 7, most of my drivers are windows 7 drivers on my windows 8 pc and i have had no issues.

 

[NeoNarchy]

So its only fine to air your opinion in this thread if you are happy with 8 & not point out the issues that you experienced? But then why do you "purists" modify & change 8? I doubt that the majority of people loving 8 use it like it is intended with the metro interface.

Use 8 like it was shipped to be used, minus the touch screen minus your shells or any third party apps & then tell me how wonderful it is, then try & sell some machines loaded with it & see how much time is wasted by you just "quickly" helping your clients with getting used to the new OS, don't come with your nonsense of crying about it. I am a techie not a teacher I deal with enough idiots during the day with "dumb" problems I don't need to deal with more people complaining about a machine that was sold to them not working because they don't understand the OS.

All of a sudden its my fault MS has changed "everything" & now the hardware I supplied is also deemed shYte, people now a days expect you the jump just because they bought something form you, that's bullshyte.
I deal with "real world" implementation of 8, I had a client who bought & preloaded 8 notebook & her classic shell was just missing it was the worst laptop we could have sold according to her it was not my problem but became my problem.
(Don't come with paid shells I have a hard enough time already trying to explain why you need to by office as well, now I need to sell & paid shell too, just not happening)
Its difficult dealing with the "non geek" masses hence the path of least resistance.

If you love 8 that much then stop "modding" it.

Rant over.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Support will always be there for windows 7 because windows 8 is built basically off the back of windows 7, most of my drivers are windows 7 drivers on my windows 8 pc and i have had no issues.

Tell that to my WiFi dongle, cause it did not get the message. Also some of my older games work just fine on 7 vs Win 8 that refuse to work even in compatibility mode. <-- the main reason why my Laptop is still on 7.

 

[kingrob]

So its only fine to air your opinion in this thread if you are happy with 8 & not point out the issues that you experienced? But then why do you "purists" modify & change 8? I doubt that the majority of people loving 8 use it like it is intended with the metro interface.

Use 8 like it was shipped to be used, minus the touch screen minus your shells or any third party apps & then tell me how wonderful it is, then try & sell some machines loaded with it & see how much time is wasted by you just "quickly" helping your clients with getting used to the new OS, don't come with your nonsense of crying about it. I am a techie not a teacher I deal with enough idiots during the day with "dumb" problems I don't need to deal with more people complaining about a machine that was sold to them not working because they don't understand the OS.

All of a sudden its my fault MS has changed "everything" & now the hardware I supplied is also deemed shYte, people now a days expect you the jump just because the bought something form you, that's bullshyte.
I deal with "real world" implementation of 8, I had a client who bought & preloaded 8 notebook & her classic shell was just missing it was the worst laptop we could have sold according to her it was not my problem but became my problem.
(Don't come with paid shells I have a hard enough time already trying to explain why you need to by office as well, now I need to sell & paid shell too, just not happening)
Its difficult dealing with the "non geek" masses hence the path of least resistance.

If you love 8 that much then stop "modding" it.

Rant over.

Post of the day.

 

[LazyLion]

Why is it sinking though gary, why do you hate it so much?

I don't hate it, and I don't hate Microsoft. I just don't like Windows 8. It's as ugly as a Barbie Doll on crack and as user friendly as a kick to the temple.
I also uninstalled it after I gave it a few weeks of effort. It was just completely counter intuitive to me.
I have been a heavy Windows user all my life. And if Microsoft has gotten me so used to other version of windows, then you would think that adjusting to a new version would be a breeze, but it was not. I felt lost all the time. I couldn't find anything I wanted. Settings were scattered all over the place and it just seemed broken.
Now it turns out that it was not just me. Users are rejecting it in droves. And just like Vista it will most likely never attain more than 10% of the market share.
It is not in any way a Business orientated OS. It is like a stripped down version of Windows 7 with a pink sucker stuck to the screen.

It was designed for more than just desktop computing. You must see how awesome it is on windows 8 touch screen. Cellphones i am sure with w8 are going to be huge along with tablets.

That's exactly the problem. I want an OS that is EXCLUSIVELY designed for the desktop. Especially the Office desktop.
I don't want some schizophrenic, bipolar abortion of a mess that Satan Himself would kick out of Hell.

This isn't a sinking ship at all.

Um yes it is. Go and read the article again. I seriously doubt that even the changes coming in 8.1 are going to save this disaster of an OS.
Roll on Windows 9 in which Microsoft backtracks from this dead end road and goes back to proper, serious computing.

We like it, so what's the problem? Many people hated vista but loved windows 7, there was literally no difference, perhaps a boost in performance was about all but they hated vista because it was different, they loved windows 7 because they got used to vista and it wasn't much different.

And where is Vista today? It was nothing but a small bump on the history of PC operating systems. Take a step back and you won't even see it.
Windows 8 is going to become another Vista. I guarantee you in five years people will be looking back and saying "WTF was MS thinking?"

I see pc sales have fallen dramatically and it's being blamed on windows 8 LOL. With tablets and laptops along with netbooks i am not surprised pc sales are falling dramatically.

Then you are not understanding the gist of the article. Historically speaking new operating systems drive new PC sales. Yes there were signs of a decline there before. But Win8 should have arrested that decline and started a recovery. It didn't. Instead it actually has hurt PC sales even more.

I got a call from a friend two blocks down from me the other night. She couldn't get her new printer working.
When I got there I saw with horror that she had a new PC with Windows 8.
I literally felt a sense of panic and nausea.
OK, came to find out that she had the USB cable plugged into the telephone port, but just trying to browse through Windows 8 to find the proper device tab to see if the drivers were installed correctly was an exercise in frustration. What would have taken three clicks in Win 7 ended up taking a lot longer in Win8.
It's an utter mess of an OS.

 

[killadoob]

Where is vista? Dude the reason windows 7 exists and the reason it is so amazing is because of vista. Vista was the birth of microsoft's best OS in history in my opinion. Windows is nothing more than a faster version of windows vista with a few tweaks.

vista may exist in history books but it was a major development for microsoft. It brought us windows 7.

Are you telling me people are not buying desktop computers now because of windows 8, so if i need a desktop computer and cannot work without it, i am now not buying the desktop because of windows 8?

I find that hard to believe, with sales of tablets, netbooks, laptops,notebooks etc of course the desktop is decline. Even laptops must be taking a knock due to tablets.

http://www.telecomstechnews.com/blo...martphones-and-tablets-will-dominate-in-2013/

Windows 8 has nothing to do with the decline of pc sales gary. Read that article.

http://www.crn.com/news/mobility/24...ass-desktop-pcs-in-2013-notebooks-in-2014.htm

Similar article as well. Most people who don't need a desktop are no longer buying them gary, they can do most of their stuff on a tablet and it's portable. Even laptops are getting hurt by tablets because many people don't require a laptop for their needs a tablet or even a smartphone will suffice.

 

[LazyLion]

Where is vista? Dude the reason windows 7 exists and the reason it is so amazing is because of vista. Vista was the birth of microsoft's best OS in history in my opinion. Windows is nothing more than a faster version of windows vista with a few tweaks.

vista may exist in history books but it was a major development for microsoft. It brought us windows 7.

OK, so you admit that it is going to take the release of another version of Windows to fix what Windows 8 does not do right?

Are you telling me people are not buying desktop computers now because of windows 8, so if i need a desktop computer and cannot work without it, i am now not buying the desktop because of windows 8?

I find that hard to believe, with sales of tablets, netbooks, laptops,notebooks etc of course the desktop is decline. Even laptops must be taking a knock due to tablets.

http://www.telecomstechnews.com/blo...martphones-and-tablets-will-dominate-in-2013/

Windows 8 has nothing to do with the decline of pc sales gary. Read that article.

Do you even Google, Killa?

Windows 8 takes blame for 'brutal' PC sales slide
Microsoft's Windows 8 turning off PC buyers
PC Sales Plunge Due To Windows 8: Report
Windows 8 takes blame for 'brutal' PC sales slide
PCs hit by an ugly quarterly drop as Windows 8 flops

 

[Electron1]

I have upgraded 3 Vista machines to Win8 at a client, and yes, it's not straightforward. Going from Vista, you have to reload the machine, which just takes longer, but at least there s no lingering problems brought across when done.
Had to update their Pastel, and get updates for specific apps that fortunately were available.
The users were keen based on the pain of using Vista, and were willing to learn how to use win8.
Biggest issue was getting printer drivers for a Konica Minolta printer, had to initially map them via a print server, but there is now a driver released that does work. Overall it has been very successful and a significant improvement over Vista at the cost of about R400.00 for the OS upgrade. Will be doing their other machines soon. there has been no need to install a 3rd party start button, just had to create shutdown and restart icons, as it's stupid to have to go through multiple click to shutdown, and add the Outlook, Excel, Work icons to the taskbar. Microsoft were just too pigheaded to make it easier for users.

Contrasted with that, another user at a different company has been driving me nuts claiming she cannot work as her new machine, running windows 7 and office 365 (basically 2013) doesn't operate exactly as her old one running Vista and office 2007. There is no way I would even attempt to install win8 for her.

So I believe it was a radical departure and Microsoft lost the battle as the user kickback has been huge based mostly on 2 things - Microsoft's stubborn approach forcing the tiled startup screen and no start button, and people hating change. The OS itself is solid and I recommend it, however you have to have an open mind. If you need to have everything staying the way you are used to, Don't change and save yourself the frustration.

 

[killadoob]

Gary i can google and give you 20 links as to why pc sales are in decline. I showed you they were in decline before microsoft released windows 8

FFS gary http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/desktop/as-pc-sales-decline-ipad-grabs-share/230200053

Read that article, now windows 8 was not even released in june 2011 and pc sales were declining. Let me find you one for 2012 when windows had yet to be released using google because i obviously can't google anything prior to 2013 because that would show clearly show pc sales have been in decline since tablets exploded so i will do it for you gary.

http://www.siliconbeat.com/2013/03/04/pc-sales-projected-to-drop-again-this-year/

Interesting that were banking on windows 8 to generate more sales, why would they be banking on windows 8 to generate more sales if the sales were not already in decline gary?

The pc market is in decline and it has been since the birth of the netbook and tablet. As the article mentioned people re abondoning the pc for small gadjets that are more suited to their needs. It isn't windows 8 killing the industry, the industry is being killed by tablets and smart phones.

Another article showing you why pc sales are in decline gary.
http://gigaom.com/2013/04/10/the-pc-market-is-a-horror-show-right-now/

Windows 8 was suppose to be the OS that stopped the decline but it can't stop the decline, even if it was a success it can't stop the decline.

 

[kingrob]

Do you even Google, Killa?

Gary, stop feeding the troll.

Don't know what happened to Killa, but it's if he is constantly looking for attention by arguing against the facts & trying to tell you that the facts are not real.

Absolute waste of time.

 

[LazyLion]

Um, I already said in post #171 that sales were declining before Win8.

Do you even read?

 

[killadoob]

Um, I already said in post #171 that sales were declining before Win8.

Do you even read?

I do but then you go onto blame windows 8 for the decline? So i don't understand. I have given you enough links for you to see why pc sales are in decline.

Windows 8 was suppose to stop the decline and boost sales but it's failed to do that and even if it was a success it would still fail to boost sales.

 

[killadoob]

Gary, stop feeding the troll.

Don't know what happened to Killa, but it's if he is constantly looking for attention by arguing against the facts & trying to tell you that the facts are not real.

Absolute waste of time.

What facts am i arguing against here, the fact that the pc market has been in decline since netbooks and tablets exploded?

I am not arguing that fact.

 

[LazyLion]

Killa, I give up. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

All I can say is we will be re-visiting this thread in a few years to review the outcome.

And it won't be the first time that you have picked the wrong boat.

 

[NeoNarchy]

Well its not like 8 helped in boosting sales did it?
I quickly msn'ed my rep & asked him question, check below:

" ME :Morning duder.
[10:28:26 AM] ********: Morning!
[10:30:09 AM]ME : How popular is your win8's do the guys in general prefer it or would they rather have 7?
[10:30:33 AM] ********: Most ppl still taking 7
[10:31:04 AM]ME : & is that the feeling as a whole in the ****** group?
[10:31:25 AM] ********: Well here in CPT
[10:32:09 AM]ME : ok cool but you wont be able to find out from your other brances or head office in JHB?
[10:32:23 AM]********: let me check "

Still waiting for feedback, but I doubt it differ from CPT.

This thread might have started with the decline in pc sales due to 8 & in a way it is true as sale usually would increase once a new Os is deployed as everyone wants it, but in this case it didn't happen. Now you start to wonder why...