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Windows Mobile 6.5 does not deliver
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Same - from IE8 its become unusable.
Haven't met many people with Analysis Services experience. Our company is actually looking for someone at the moment - I declined the project in favour of another project.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Ok, rough critique on your links
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/12/16974 - A rant about Windows 2000 being late, nothing more about specific features being missed.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4.06/4E2A8848-5738-45B1-A659-AD7473899D7D.html - Some valid points, but it just happily glosses over how difficult it is to re-engineer an entire operating system. Even MS admit they've cocked up with Longhorn... and that all they wanted to bring in just couldn't be done in the time frame.
http://www.dieblinkenlights.com/blog_en/a-bit-of-vaporware - Just seems to be a rant from some random person. Surface is a production piece of kit, Project Natal is beyond a "concept".
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/12/16974 - A rant about Windows 2000 being late, nothing more about specific features being missed.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4.06/4E2A8848-5738-45B1-A659-AD7473899D7D.html - Some valid points, but it just happily glosses over how difficult it is to re-engineer an entire operating system. Even MS admit they've cocked up with Longhorn... and that all they wanted to bring in just couldn't be done in the time frame.
http://www.dieblinkenlights.com/blog_en/a-bit-of-vaporware - Just seems to be a rant from some random person. Surface is a production piece of kit, Project Natal is beyond a "concept".
Well you're satisfied, I'm not. I'm not YOU, you're not ME. Let's agree to disagree then and let's not call each other names - not that you ever did but let's have the younger people learn from us.
R12K for the laptop? If you spend R12K on a Sony or a Lenovo you won't get better specs. Once you buy that Mac, the OS upgrades are cheaper than Windows though. No need to buy Win 8 for R5000 or whatever it will be.
Just because you say you can't afford a Mac, it doesn't mean its a bad machine and OS. Remember Microsoft has more financial resources than Apple and they had a long time to get Vista right. They also had a long time to release Mobile 7 now. If Apple can do it with iPhone OS, so should MS.
feo
Honorary Master
I never said it was a bad machine or OS...I'm not bashing Apple here at all, just defending MS because I think their software is pretty good. To be fair, Apples are pretty awesome machines but for an entry level Mac to cost that much is extreme. I take your point that there Sony/Lenovo equivalents will be underspecced compared to the Mac but at least they have reasonably priced entry level machines that Average Joe Soap can go out and buy. But we're getting off topic here...
I think MS are probably aiming to make the leap from WM 6.5 to 7 garner the same reaction that Windows Vista to Windows 7 is getting right now. I'd prefer to wait a while and have a polished WM OS than a half baked piece of sh*t.
Someone made some cash off of you, Windows Vista is around $300 (x7.5 = R2,250) when bought without a PC.
True. But if you were to upgrade from XP to Vista or Vista to Win 7 and want Ultimate you'd pay R4600 (IC Price). Maybe its cheaper elsewhere. I never knew Vista was so expensive.
Some MS software is good, but MS has a fair share of failures. Thankfully I never bought into the PlayForSure thing but lots of people lost out when MS dumped PlayForSure and moved to the Zune. Lots of people had songs in PlayForSure DRM. It's that sort of behaviour which sucks. Apple on the other hand always pushed songs to be cheaper and without DRM - they forced the industry to drop the DRM on iTunes. Now Amazon and others are following.
Apple ain't perfect but their current goals and the goals of the consumer converge vs the goals of the MPAA/RIAA/RISA. Apple does not want restrictive DRM because they want you to play your songs on an iPod, iPhone and PC. They want you to buy iPods and iPhones. The music industry wants you to buy only their music.
You see - but that calls for bashing MS. They could (they have the money) released a better OS and they didn't. They are confusing less clued up people. That's unethical in my book. They did similar things to OS/2 and they always tried to do this to Apple with Win95 and other OS'es. They speak of vaporware and just FUD onto a current, competitor product. Sure, MS has some nice products. I think XP has matured nicely. If they could make it more secure - it would be a great OS for people with machines with under 3GB of RAM.
Ok I see it's R3,178 - for Vista Ultimate Retail.
http://www.take2.co.za/electronics-...-ultimate-edition-sp1-dvd-retail-4297802.html
For some reason IC in BaySide Table View is selling it for R4600.
I see many shops sell it for R4400.
http://www.jump.co.za/search/vista+ultimate/
feo
Honorary Master
You can get it much cheaper elsewhere. And if you can get into the Home Usage Program once Windows 7 is launched you basically just pay shipping fees for Windows 7...that's IF your company moves to Windows 7. I doubt either company wants DRM...it just annoys the end user and both companies know that they'll lose market share if they embed DRM into their products.
Matured nicely? More like retired gracefully...XP is at the end of it's life span.
You know what's the best machine for a PC with 3GBs of RAM...a PC with Windows 7. Trust me, on the same hardware, Windows 7 will make you feel like you're using a brand new PC.
On topic...WM 6.5 is a BIG step up from 6, everything from menus to intensive apps run SO much smoother and when WM 7 comes around, you'll see why MS has taken so long to release it. It's gonna be an iPhone OS killer.
I know the current outfit I work for is sticking with XP. Two other outfits - multinationals I have friends and relatives working for are sticking with XP, they even still use some Win2K licenses.
That's a matter of opinion. My machine - a C2D ULV 1.6GHz - would run dog slow with Vista, it's very fast with XP. So is my netbook. Buying Vista or 7 will not change fundamental ways in which I work or what I can do on the computer. Sure maybe the 64bit architecture (XP also has this) is great for people running CAD/CAE softs but I don't run those. If I buy Win 7 and go the painful route of downloading drivers from Panasonic.co.jp and Nec.co.jp
and installing them I will not get real benefit - perhaps there are security features of 7 which are good, but if you run a good free firewall and an AV (and you still need both on 7 and Vista) and you don't do stupid things you're more or less OK.
But I don't need 3GB. I have a 2GB machine and I don't need more because I don't run Photoshop, Maya or AutoCad on this machine. I run PS CS4 on a 7GB Mac machine. It runs very smoothly, even putting in an SSD did not make it too much faster. Most people are like me without the Mac OSX requirement - they only need basic WinXP or MacOSX functionality to run a word processor for kids projects or reports for work, a video editing program, a music playing program, browser, email, Skype, QQ, etc. How is spending R3200 (assuming Win 7 ultimate costs that much) will benefit me other than having to reinstall everything from scratch as I can't even update?
I don't own an iPhone but I don't think it will, purely because Apple is also advancing its own OS. Maybe if MS could freeze time and keep Apple at the same level of development it would be an iPhone killer.
Sure but most ppl go to IC and buy there. The people MS targets with their ads so this.
i find people on the forum tend to attack the ideas Peter brings because of the view he is "anti MS". He may or not may not be.
But if you look at Mac (or even Linux), you do not find that 2 OSes in a row (some 10 or so years), the major headline feature has been moved to the next release.
And again, it is not as if DirectX is the best possible technology for games. It happens to be the tech on the most widely used platform.
One cannot deny that MS has cornerned the market in many areas. But you will find a wide expanse of people say Lotus 123 was the better spreadsheet and that WordPerfect was the better word processor.
Market share does not necessarily equate to best product.
But if you look at Mac (or even Linux), you do not find that 2 OSes in a row (some 10 or so years), the major headline feature has been moved to the next release.
And again, it is not as if DirectX is the best possible technology for games. It happens to be the tech on the most widely used platform.
One cannot deny that MS has cornerned the market in many areas. But you will find a wide expanse of people say Lotus 123 was the better spreadsheet and that WordPerfect was the better word processor.
Market share does not necessarily equate to best product.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Oh, I'm not for one second satisified, I know MS do some dirty and underhanded things, but then so do Apple... Pretty much every one of the big corporates do really.
As for the Windows bashing/Apple bashing... I don't pander to it at all really. I like Windows, I like OS X.. for different reasons.
I'm gearing my house up to run Macs on the "client" end, but all my backend stuff will mostly be on Windows Server platforms, mostly because I know it, and I know what it can do...
Thats no excuse - you can't blame MS for incredible connections pricing.
Asha'man X
Expert Member
Wow, this thread has gone seriously off topic 
Does anyone here have experience of using Windows Mobile 6.5, probably through a cooked ROM? Once I get the update for my TP2 I will post a review on this forum noting the difference to 6.1.
Does anyone here have experience of using Windows Mobile 6.5, probably through a cooked ROM? Once I get the update for my TP2 I will post a review on this forum noting the difference to 6.1.
Well I sure as heck can say that if these guys were underselling Windows then MS would get upset. They are an MS retail partner to offer Windows, no?
Besides if you look on Jump you'll see that this OS sells in many places for R4400 and the 'cheap' R2200 versions are DSP versions, if your mobo dies you've had it. Also you can't upgrade your Vista box with the DSP version
- and no, wiping it first is a bit unfair considering that it also violates MS EULA to use the DSP on brand new hardware - doesn't it?
d0b33
Honorary Master
Oi, your fact based common sense is not welcome round these parts.