Windows phone faces app challenge

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Windows phone app battle

Apps, apps, apps! That is the main challenge that Microsoft and Nokia, who are trying to claw back market share from Apple Inc’s iPhone and Google’s Android in the red hot smartphone market, face now...
 
So big deal that Android have 45,000 apps. How many are actually used by customers?
I reckon that there are probably only a handful that are actually worth using!
There is more to life than using apps on a mobile device
 
TimTDP said:
So big deal that Android have 45,000 apps. How many are actually used by customers?
I reckon that there are probably only a handful that are actually worth using!
There is more to life than using apps on a mobile device
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Hundreds! And a lot of the great ones are free!
Why comment on something that you have obviously never tried or used?
 
Relative to launch, WP7 is trending nicely in the middle of iOS and Android for both apps and sales. Give it time, these things don't happen overnight, it'll slowly carve out a space in the top 3 for itself.
 
Sync Issues

elvis_presley said:
Relative to launch, WP7 is trending nicely in the middle of iOS and Android for both apps and sales. Give it time, these things don't happen overnight, it'll slowly carve out a space in the top 3 for itself.
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Unless something has changed like an update on the software in the last 30 days, then the Nokia Lumia still does not sync with Outlook. A customer of mine bought one and in order to get his contacts on his phone, had to create an MSN account, sync with that and then put the same account on his phone so that he had all of his contacts. No syncing between phone and outlook.

With regards to Apps, to me it is what it is all about in todays age. I have a smartphone and have a shopping list app which allows me to put all my groceries onto a list on my phone. Whats the point of that some of you might ask. I am pretty certain that almost all of you who go grocery shopping on a weekly/monthly basis have left your shopping list at home one time or another, most of the time we always have our phones with us which in my opinion makes this app very useful.

My 2c
 
elvis_presley said:
Relative to launch, WP7 is trending nicely in the middle of iOS and Android for both apps and sales. Give it time, these things don't happen overnight, it'll slowly carve out a space in the top 3 for itself.
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True.

With the inertia that MS already has with windows on desk tops and laptops and notebooks, and with the focus that Windows 8 is likey or already has on apps, Nokia and windows already have a huge market to tap into.

Perhaps the fact that apps can / will be sold via Windows on desktop and laptops will drive more developers to Windows and Nokia and the price of apps down making them more attractive to customers.

The next 12 months are important.

I am very optimistic indeed about their app store.

Last month it was said their have 50,000 apps. Now it is said they have 65,000. Positive growth. Don't know about the rate of growth though. Perhaps it will increase at the launch of Windows 8.
 
jeinnor30 said:
Unless something has changed like an update on the software in the last 30 days, then the Nokia Lumia still does not sync with Outlook. A customer of mine bought one and in order to get his contacts on his phone, had to create an MSN account, sync with that and then put the same account on his phone so that he had all of his contacts. No syncing between phone and outlook.
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Yes, that does seem annoying. MS took the decision to cut the cable to the PC with WP7 and go all-in on the cloud, which if Apple had done it would have been hailed as revolutionary. Personally I've used cloud-based mail systems (Exchange, gmail, live, etc) for ages, and have kept the same email database/contact list for the best part of a decade. It's certainly a better way to do it, and now your customer's contacts will always be synced with his computer whether he plugs in his phone or not. I hope you took the time to ensure his email was also cloud-backed and synced?

I'm trying not to sound defensive of MS, but sometimes you have to drag people kicking and screaming into new technology, once they start using it they wonder how they ever did without it.

jeinnor30 said:
With regards to Apps, to me it is what it is all about in todays age. I have a smartphone and have a shopping list app which allows me to put all my groceries onto a list on my phone. Whats the point of that some of you might ask. I am pretty certain that almost all of you who go grocery shopping on a weekly/monthly basis have left your shopping list at home one time or another, most of the time we always have our phones with us which in my opinion makes this app very useful.
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I think everyone does that, and I'm sure if Evernote ever got hacked, the hackers would get millions and millions of shopping lists :)
 
Our appetite for apps is unquenchable. If you can't supply them we won't buy your product. Smartphones are not about a sleek shiny piece of hardware any more ... it is about what they can do and how sleek they can do it.
 
TimTDP said:
So big deal that Android have 45,000 apps. How many are actually used by customers?
I reckon that there are probably only a handful that are actually worth using!
There is more to life than using apps on a mobile device
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most of them is replica of another app
 
elvis_presley said:
Relative to launch, WP7 is trending nicely in the middle of iOS and Android for both apps and sales. Give it time, these things don't happen overnight, it'll slowly carve out a space in the top 3 for itself.
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I can see that:

As a company
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as an OS
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Market share source: comScore

UK Market shares:

NOKIA IN FOUR STAGES BY KANTAR (UK MARKET SHARES)

September 2010 before Microsoft . . . . . . . 23.1% market share in UK (Symbian + Maemo)
February 2011 after Elop announcement . . 12.4% market share in UK (Symbian)
September 2011 just before Lumia launch . . 6.7% market share in UK (Symbian)
February 2012 after Lumia sold 4 months . . 4.6% market share in UK (Symbian + Windows Phone)


MICROSOFT IN FOUR STAGES BY KANTAR (UK MARKET SHARES)

September 2010 before Nokia . . . . . . . . . 1.0% market share in UK
February 2011 after Nokia announcement . 0.5% market share in UK
September 2011 just before Lumia launch . 0.5% market share in UK
February 2012 after Lumia sold 4 months . 0.4% market share in UK (excluding Nokia)

COMPARE TO NOW WITH NOKIA

February 2012 after Lumia sold 4 months . 2.5% market share in UK (including Nokia)

Source: http://communities-dominate.blogs.c...ent-of-symbian-windows-phone-strategy-do.html
 
Elimentals said:
I can see that:
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No, you didn't see it. I said relative to launch. You misunderstood. Also, I said sales. Not percentage share of an expanding market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone#History_and_availability ... Check those sales figures; iOS started slow... WP7 is on about a par to iPhone figures RELATIVE TO LAUNCH DATE (captalized so you don't miss it this time). Android also started slow but accelerated quicker than that; WP7 is in the middle of iOS and Android.

Quarters 4 and 5 after launch for WP7 were 2.0 and 2.7mil ( http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/24/no...but-theres-still-plenty-of-catching-up-to-do/ ) - above iOS figures of 1.7 and 0.7mil.

I find it exciting that a credible 3rd platform is gaining momentum. Will keep the others on their toes.
 
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On a positive note, at least Microsoft knows where they have problems and try to address it.

For example the new App Campus and App competitions like the one where one of SA/MyBB users won, also handing out free devices at seminars and other presentations.

Something I wish I could say for the others, in same way I think their market share started to make them numb to the issues at hand, like iOS where you need a Mac to finish a project and Android's SDK that tries its best to chase new developers away with its prehistoric UI and support issues.
 
elvis_presley said:
No, you didn't see it. I said relative to launch. You misunderstood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone#History_and_availability ... Check those sales figures; iOS started slow... WP7 is on about a par to iPhone figures RELATIVE TO LAUNCH DATE (captalized so you don't miss it this time). Android also started slow but accelerated quicker than that; WP7 is in the middle of iOS and Android.

Quarters 4 and 5 after launch for WP7 were 2.0 and 2.7mil ( http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/24/no...but-theres-still-plenty-of-catching-up-to-do/ ) - above iOS figures of 1.7 and 0.7mil.

I find it exciting that a credible 3rd platform is gaining momentum. Will keep the others on their toes.
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What I tried to show is that the other 2 did not have negative growth at launch remember Microsoft is not new to the market, they have an older Windows Mobile device as well.
 
Elimentals said:
What I tried to show is that the other 2 did not have negative growth at launch remember Microsoft is not new to the market, they have an older Windows Mobile device as well.
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Yes, the negative growth is usually attributed to stats being reported WP7 + WinMo being lumped together. It's not indicitave of WP7 crashing and burning.
 
elvis_presley said:
Yes, the negative growth is usually attributed to stats being reported WP7 + WinMo being lumped together. It's not indicitave of WP7 crashing and burning.
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What I am saying is for all we know the "growth" can just be Windows Mobile users upgrading to Windows Phone, and bleeding customers at the same time, hence the negative numbers.

Look personally I dont want it to tank and I would love for Windows Phone 8 to come out sooner than later. Most of what I enjoyed about my old Windows Mobile 6.5 Samsung has been striped out of Windows Phone 7 which caused me to jump ship. From what I can see Windows Phone 8 is bringing back some of the features I need and use everyday, I just don't see the growth I was hoping for.
 
And it should be noted that developers are quiting developing for andriod due to fragmentation in andriod. It is becoming so frustrating for developers to recreate same app again and again for same os with different versions which has no interrelationship within it's self
 
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