Woman raped while sharing shower with man

StevenC said:
People like this women are the exact reason I support jail time for false rape accusers.

False accusations, defamation of character and legal fees should be thrown at any rape accuser should the defendant be found innocent in a court of law. Unfortunately, men who are unlucky enough to be slammed with a rape charge because a "womyn" has decided to target him has to deal with a very real possibility of jail time and the stigma attached. On questionable evidence no less.

I don't support rapists or murderers, throw them to the dogs for all I care. But I also don't support feminist bullshyte that allows them to get away with just accusing men of rape. Especially when you have a situation like this, where she willingly goes to shower with a stranger, who the fk does that?
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She planned the rape. Seems to convenient to live blog your own raping
 
ChocolateBadger said:
Yeah but no means no. The head could be millimetres away from the happy place and if she changes her mind and says no then mission aborted.
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+1

Then you get "i did not want you to stop" while pulling your pants up, some woman have sexual guilt/shame issues where sex is something the man does to them, stay away from those as they have issues. Bottom line is no means no.
 
Why do these feminists always feel the need to expose their hairy pits?
 
I am going to be controversial here. Would you walk into a burning building knowing there is no people or animals to save? So why put yourself into a situation with a drunk person?
 
ChocolateBadger said:
Yeah but no means no. The head could be millimetres away from the happy place and if she changes her mind and says no then mission aborted.

I understand that those who change their mind or feel regret after the ordeal and then go after the person like it's their fault is wrong. If you give consent and feel regret after then tough, that's called a bad decision. But if you are in a situation where assumptions can be made but no consent given, then it's rape.
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If you are asked to stop, then you stop. There is no debate there. I will even go so far as to agree to the fact that even her being in the shower naked with the guy does not constitute consent.
However, jumping in to a shower with some "stranger" whom she had kissed earlier in the evening sends some pretty strong mixed signals. She wasn't forced in to the shower, she got in willingly.
Maybe we all have to start being like the PC Bros in the latest season of South Park. Consent forms and video taped evidence of consent? Then the crushing of puss can commence BRUH!
Anyways, it is plain to everyone with half a brain to see her agenda here. One would think that after 9 "rapes" she would have learned her lesson by now?
 
StevenC said:
her being in the shower naked with the guy
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That's where her credibility fell apart. You don't just do that. It's not normal. Not saying she's lying, but FFS you don't just shower naked with another guy for the sake of it. :wtf:
 
Rape apologists will be unfriended without any correspondence entered into. At least 3 men will wonder why I blocked them earlier. They won't know. It was done silently and swiftly.

It's not OK to blame women for rape.

Many of you would have seen the report of the activist who chronicled her account of being raped recently. She did so immediately after it happened, on Instagram, and included pictures of the scene.
She had voluntarily taken a shower with an acquaintance and while in the shower he attacked her.
Now rape apology comes in many forms. The most obvious are statements of the kind "She asked to be raped/she dressed provocatively/she shouldn't have been there..."

And then there are rape apologies that masquerade as innocent questioning. This is particularly common among men who otherwise would not say "She asked for it." The men I blocked fall into this second category of victim blaming.
They posted stuff to the effect of "I'm not saying she asked for it. I'm just saying it is tricky."
"I'm not saying she deserved to be attacked. But why did she agree to shower with him when they're just friends ?"
"I'm not saying rape is ok but isn't it weird that she took a picture of herself immediately after it happened and put it on Instagram?"
"I'm not saying rape is ok and I definitely agree that men should not rape but equally women should take care to avoid attacks; it's a two way stream."

No. No. No.
1. The situation is not tricky. She doesn't consent therefore it is rape. Saying it is tricky feeds a narrative of moral grey areas where there are none.
2. Showering with a stranger even while masturbating STILL DOES NOT AMOUNT TO CONSENT.
3. How she behaves after already raped tells you NOTHING about whether what happened was more or less acceptable. If she is raped and then blackmails you, she was still raped. If she is raped and then goes for a comedy audition she was still raped. If she is raped and tells Instagram complete with pictures or videos she was still raped. Stop the preoccupation with thinking "real victims" behave in a certain way.
4. There is no shared responsibility for avoiding rape. There is only rule here: Do not rape. There is no additional rule that says "Don't get raped"

If you disagree then silently and swiftly unfriend me.
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From Facebook.
 
Rape apologists will be unfriended without any correspondence entered into. At least 3 men will wonder why I blocked them earlier. They won't know. It was done silently and swiftly.

It's not OK to blame women for rape.

Many of you would have seen the report of the activist who chronicled her account of her alleged rape recently. She did so immediately after it allegedly happened, on Instagram, and included pictures of the scene - her poignant pose, body saturated from one-fallen tear of despair.
She had inexplicably and voluntarily, without sensibly cognisant of the danger, taken a shower with a man she had earlier kissed who was drunk and while in the shower he attacked her.
Now rape apology comes in many forms. The most obvious are statements of the kind "She asked to be raped/she dressed provocatively/she shouldn't have been there..."

And then there are rape apologies that masquerade as innocent questioning. This is particularly common among men who otherwise would not say "She asked for it." The men I blocked fall into this second category of victim blaming.
They posted stuff to the effect of "I'm not saying she asked for it. I'm just saying it is tricky."
"I'm not saying she deserved to be attacked. But why did she agree to shower with him when they're just friends ?"
"I'm not saying rape is ok but isn't it weird that she took a picture of herself immediately after it happened and put it on Instagram?"
"I'm not saying rape is ok and I definitely agree that men should not rape but equally women should take care to avoid attacks; it's a two way stream."

And then there are those who scrutinize the objective evidence, uncluttered from emotional constraints and begin to question the validity of the allegation. These people reconcile the evidence in accordance with general human rational behaviour, and when such behaviour in all the circumstances falls horribly short, the enquiry then moves onto whether there really was a NO or even a 'strange' acquaintance in the first place. This is not a strident view that which seeks to be controversial - these people will ordinarily sing in harmony, from the same hymn book, with an unequivocal NO means NO - but, in the circumstances above, the discord is self-explanatory. The questions they ask are not into the validity of legal substantive thresholds for consent but see a bigger picture that begs ostensibly legitimate questions - including answers from the alleged attacker. These people are normal human beings, curious by nature, and seek to know the truth and not question the law.

No. No. No.
1. The situation is not tricky. She doesn't consent therefore it is rape. Saying it is tricky feeds a narrative of moral grey areas where there are none.
2. Showering with a stranger even while masturbating STILL DOES NOT AMOUNT TO CONSENT.
3. How she behaves after already raped tells you NOTHING about whether what happened was more or less acceptable. If she is raped and then blackmails you, she was still raped. If she is raped and then goes for a comedy audition she was still raped. If she is raped and tells Instagram complete with pictures or videos she was still raped. Stop the preoccupation with thinking "real victims" behave in a certain way.
4. There is no shared responsibility for avoiding rape. There is only rule here: Do not rape. There is no additional rule that says "Don't get raped"

If you disagree then silently and swiftly unfriend me.
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FTFY
 
Galactica said:
Rape apologists will be unfriended without any correspondence entered into. At least 3 men will wonder why I blocked them earlier. They won't know. It was done silently and swiftly.
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Womyn like this are laughable, thinking they are so important that being unfriended by them on Facebook is like the worst thing that could ever happen to their "friends". She even declares her cowardice, disguised as an assassination on the "offenders" profiles.

Instead of stating her point to the people that ask pertinent questions, she instead runs away from them, closing off her pool of passive listeners to those that don't care or the ones that fuel this feminist bullshyte. Note how she has already decided his guilt, by very virtue of gender. Women cannot be blamed for rape? In this context, I really have to disagree. Women can also rape men and other women, is it ok to blame them then?

I am no rape apologist. People say that she was asking for it because of how she dresses or acts, that is wrong.
I don't white knight either. Jumping in to a shower with some guy she just met, ready to live blog the "rape" seems more like a witch hunt to me.
The fact that she has had similar or other incidents just cements this crazy womyn as someone who cried wolf too many times.
 
StevenC said:
Womyn like this are laughable, thinking they are so important that being unfriended by them on Facebook is like the worst thing that could ever happen to their "friends". She even declares her cowardice, disguised as an assassination on the "offenders" profiles.

Instead of stating her point to the people that ask pertinent questions, she instead runs away from them, closing off her pool of passive listeners to those that don't care or the ones that fuel this feminist bullshyte. Note how she has already decided his guilt, by very virtue of gender. Women cannot be blamed for rape? In this context, I really have to disagree. Women can also rape men and other women, is it ok to blame them then?

I am no rape apologist. People say that she was asking for it because of how she dresses or acts, that is wrong.
I don't white knight either. Jumping in to a shower with some guy she just met, ready to live blog the "rape" seems more like a witch hunt to me.
The fact that she has had similar or other incidents just cements this crazy womyn as someone who cried wolf too many times.
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So here's a question:

If a person intentionally gives mixed signals with the intent that the other party will misinterpret what they mean, can that person then be held responsible for the other person falling foul of the intentional duplicity?

I say yes.
 
Xarog said:
So here's a question:

If a person intentionally gives mixed signals with the intent that the other party will misinterpret what they mean, can that person then be held responsible for the other person falling foul of the intentional duplicity?

I say yes.
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If a woman is jumping in to a shower with me and feeling me up, I am going to perceive that as an initiation to sexual relations.
This doesn't happen in the real world though, possibly only in really bad situation porn. It's not like they hadn't talked or kissed prior to the "rape". It's not like she was walking in the road and saw this guy's door open and rushed inside his house, stripped down and jumped in the shower with him. He didn't even kick her out!

That is why I firmly believe in an equal length jail term for rape accusers if found guilty of malicious prosecution. It is truly a good start on the path to equality.
 
I do hope that this story holds true as most stories making news in the media eventually turn out to be lies (http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Gym-rape-suspect-cleared-20140915, http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/man-falsely-accused-of-rape-freed-1.1870864). Sexual abuse against anyone is a horrible crime and false rape accusations make it so much worse for victims and greatly infringes their credibility (not to forget that a suspect will never recover from those false accusations).

Because of false rape accusations (a person seeking an alibi to cover up an affair or seeking revenge) the true victims hardly ever want to come forward. Social media makes this substantially worse as the accused is not even afforded the opportunity to defend himself. Considering that in South Africa rape occurs every 3-4 minutes, I would have thought that the anti-rape-activist would have had more foresight.

I think for me more shocking is that due to the high number of sexual abuse cases happening every day, the media does not even report on it and Amber's case only got attention once social media picked up on it. Quite bizarre considering that she blogged about it end of November (at that point both SAPS and US embassy were involved).

From what I have read, Amber's abuser is now on R1000 bail and a court date has been set for March. I am sure this should be an easy case if she has managed to get a rape-kit collected (although a bit puzzling that it takes so long for a court to process cases like this).
 
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/instagram-bans-post-of-rape-survivors-live-blog-20160110

Instagram bans post of rape survivor's live-blog
2016-01-10 15:24
Jeanette Chabalala, News24

Cape Town – Social networking site Instagram has banned a post of an American woman who live-blogged her own rape ordeal on the site.

Amber Amour, 27, who was in South Africa to promote her “Stop Rape, Educate” campaign shared on her Instagram account that she was raped in Cape Town while sharing a shower with a friend.

One of the pictures the 27-year-old posted was taken immediately after she was raped.

However, Instagram said, “Amber we removed your post because it doesn't follow our community guidelines.”

In response, Amour wrote on her Instagram page that she will not be silenced.

"You deleted the caption documenting the rape from my page but guess what, that **** has gone viral. It's all over the internet so whoever was behind the deleting of that honestly did nothing.

"Survivors of rape are called liars and frauds every day! I find it absolutely appalling that the caption was deleted. I will not be silenced. I will keep speaking my truth."

She said initially only the caption had been deleted, but after she reposted it, the entire post was deleted.

On Thursday, Amour said that she needed to go public because it was the only way she would get justice.

The activist lodged a complaint with police, but said she shared the experience with her thousands of followers because she did not believe officers would take her case seriously.

She told News24 she had received hate mail by the thousands. People had blamed her and told her she deserved what happened.

Western Cape police spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Andre Traut said a man was arrested on November 30.

He was granted bail in the Cape Town Regional Court and police were investigating further.

It was not immediately clear when he would return to court.
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daveza said:
Something dodgy about this tale.
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For sure!

On another site she describes herself as a vegansexual.
Feeling the hormones, she got herself laid by a normal guy and then squared her conscience by claiming rape.
A bit like Catholics being free to indulge in any sort of sin as long as they confess to the priest later.
Besides, the guy (judging by his first name) comes from a culture where a female does not have any right of refusal.
 
nightjar said:
For sure!

On another site she describes herself as a vegansexual.
Feeling the hormones, she got herself laid by a normal guy and then squared her conscience by claiming rape.
A bit like Catholics being free to indulge in any sort of sin as long as they confess to the priest later.
Besides, the guy (judging by his first name) comes from a culture where a female does not have any right of refusal.
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What culture are you talking about?
 
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