WOTLK Talents

This is all 100% true. So true that i have actually rolled myself a rogue. Im sick and tired of being destroyed as my priest.
Click to expand...

The other night I ventured in WSG for 'fun' after having not stepped into a BG or Arena for literally months. Instantly regretted it and remembered why the hell I'd been avoiding PVP. Spent the entire match simply getting hammered on by rogues and warriors. Against mages and even locks and just about any other class I at least get to do something. I enjoy a fight against a Frost Mage because even when I get owned, I at least manage to put up a fight. Even against hunters, my 'anti-class', I have a chance. Against warriors, it's simply a joke trying to get away from them, and if you don't you get smashed into the ground. Skilled warriors can pummel casts, keep you permanently snared and simply intercept if they screw up. Basically lock you down to the point you almost feel like you're fighting a rogue.
Of course, just when you think it doesn't get worse, you fight an actual rogue and it's simply ridiculous. I know this is some epic QQ and I fully expect 'QQ moar newb' posts, but ho-lee crap... I have 430+ resil and just shy of 11K HP. This 1 rogue locked me down from 100% to 0% before I could get a single cast off. No so much as 1 damn spell. All that resil and stam doesnt matter for squat, hell it even feels like diminishing returns are gone from the game. Now i know he might have outgeared me, but I should have at least been able to cast something. Anything.

The only hope you have as caster if you run into a rogue, is to hope that some fellow hordies run by and rescue you. That's it. How fun is that? How can Blizzard allow a class and mechanic that absolutely ruins the enjoyment others are having in the game? It makes absolutely no damn sense at all. PVP should be about attack and counter and counter-to-counter etc. Not about pulling off a combo that kills someone outright.

Rogues are completely, obscenely out of whack. There is something drastically wrong with the class. If Blizzard doesn't nerf the sh it out of rogues in Wrath or give other classes some options to stand a chance, I'm simply washing my hands of PVP entirely, or looking to Warhammer for my PVP fix. Right now there is no class or spec that a rogue cannot beat, and that makes no sense. It's like, rock, paper, scissors, shotgun.
And no, I'll never roll a rogue. I know some believe that if you can't beat em, join em, but that's not my style.
I pray to God that Death Knights will be able to kick the everlovin blue crap out of rogues so hard all they taste are blood runes for a week each time they meet one.
The damn class is well overdue for a trip down mediocrity lane, like everyone else.

inb4 'pvp isn't 1v1'. Do Not Care.
 
Last edited:
I agree about rogues. Even warriors are bowing to them now. Anyone recall AR/Prep pre nerf? Ridiculous.
 
kHayne said:
The other night I ventured in WSG for 'fun' after having not stepped into a BG or Arena for literally months. Instantly regretted it. Spent the entire match simply getting hammered on by rogues and warriors. Against mages and even locks I at least get to do something. Even against hunters, my 'anti-class', I have a 50/50 chance. Against warriors, it's simply a joke trying to get away from them, and if you don't you get smashed into the ground. Skilled warriors can macro pummel casts and almost lock you down to the point you feel like you're fighting a rogue. Of course, then you actually fight a rogue and it's simply ridiculous. I know this is some epic QQ, but ho-lee crap... I have 430+ resil and just shy of 11K HP. This 1 rogue locked me down from 100% to 0% before I could get a single cast off. No so much as 1 damn spell. Now i know he might have outgeared me, but I should have at least been able to cast something. Anything.
Rogues are completely, obscenely out of whack. There is something drastically wrong here. If Blizzard doesn't nerf the sh it out of rogues in Wrath or give other classes some options to stand a chance, I'm simply washing my hands of PVP entirely. Right now there is no class or spec that a rogue cannot beat, and that makes no sense. It's like, rock, paper, scissors, shotgun.
And no, I'll never roll a rogue. I know some believe that if you can't beat em, join em, but that's not my style.
I pray to god that Death Knights will be able to kick the everlovin blue crap out of rogues so hard all they taste are blood runes for a week each time they meet one. The damn class is well overdue for a trip down mediocrity lane, like everyone else.

inb4 'pvp isn't 1v1'. Do Not Care.
Click to expand...

thats why it's so sweet when you kill one :p (if they don't run away like girls ofc)
While pvping a bit on my lock I was getting face raped faster than you can say "I'm getting face raped". Then I changed my spec to sl/sl and it was my turn to do the rapings :D
Unfortunatly having to spec back and forth between pvp and raid spec ate my golds so i lvled my warrior instead.
I had alot of fun on my lock though once I got my spec right.
I'd love it if they allowed you to choose a static 'secondary spec' which you could change between for 5g a pop at trainer or something like that.
 
What I need is someone to reccomend a class and spec that absolutely rapes rogues in pvp. Because Resto Shamans are Not It. (I'm thinking Orc Arms Warrior, but that's cheese). I don't care if they suck balls at everything else. I want to be able to blow a rogue out of the water. That's all I want in WoW life before I quit this damn game forever.
 
kHayne said:
What I need is someone to reccomend a class and spec that absolutely rapes rogues in pvp. Because Resto Shamans are Not It. (I'm thinking Orc Arms Warrior, but that's cheese). I don't care if they suck balls at everything else. I want to be able to blow a rogue out of the water. That's all I want in WoW life before I quit this damn game forever.
Click to expand...

Prot pala?
 
I'm not so sure. Problem is, the rogue just runs away. Warriors can keep them hamstrung and keep bleeds up to at least try and keep them from bailing.
That and pallies are gayballs. At least Horde ones. Alliance Dwarf Palas are the biznis.

Otherwise I might redo a feral druid. They're getting some imba snare and a sexy new cat form. WTB.
 
And if you want to taste some rogue tears, here is a screenshot that sums up Arena Season 1 for rogues ^_^


stunherald_final.jpg
 
Zomg... how did I manage to miss this thread with the rogue bashing ?

Lemme hop right in :D

Damn... if there was a class that I hate, its a rogue !!! My previous posts have showed it as well ! hehehe
And yes I agree with everything Khayne stated, they seriously need a nerf.

Facing a rogue in Arena is a complete joke. Like Khayne, I REFUSE to play a rogue... I would rather reroll a pink hair alliance **eeeughh** gnome warrior than play a rogue ever!

Why would anyone in their right mind roll a coward class that simply attacks people from behind when their HP is low, or tries to lock a opponent down to such a degree, that the poor victim just don't get 1 single shot in. And if you manage to get out... those little coward b1tches run away like little girls.
"Amagawd.... I better run and vanish... i am gonna get a beating now... oh noes !!! "

If my Beastial Wrath is on cooldown, I am easy meat for them.
The old Afrikaans saying " Vat jou pak soos 'n man" clearly does not apply to rogues ! Cmon blizz... this is ridiculous, how can anyone justify that this class is balanced ????

hehe shewww venting over... feel much better now ! :p
 
Last edited:
Pornolio, you have it 100% correct.

The reason I rolled a rogue was for pure DPS in raids. I love the play style in instances and Raids. But in PvP, now that is another place all together. I have to admit the influx of rogues in BG's these days are damn annoying. And in the long run this will be noticed and rogues nerved again :(

That is the reason I'm working on a shaman lately. Also Pure DPS and loved by everyone in a raid/instance. I also have a Lock which is on hold till my Shama hits 70. But I don't like casters, I love melee :o

My Shaman should hit outlands over this weekend.... can't wait :p
 
What I found quite hilarious this past week was a Rogue telling me that Blizz is finally making Rogue DPS Raid Viable in Wrath with the new Talents.
I lol'd so hard.

Even as a long time Rogue player, I'll admit that in PvP their ability to control a fight is horrendous.

That being said from a PvE perspective a Rogue will always have a special place for me as I've Raided as a Rogue for quite some time both pre and post BC.
 
PvE rogues actually need some kind of a buff. Right now a raid brings 1, maybe 2. Meanwhile there's 5 shammies facerolling leet dps and bloodlusting and selfrezzing and heals and buffing the crap out of the raid... shammies truly have it good on the PVE side of things.
Problems isn't that rogues don't bring DPS. They probably bring some of the best around.
The issue is.. that's about it. And as you progress in content, pure dps becomes less important and multirole utility becomes critical. cc, buffing, cleansing... all things a rogue can't do.
One major prob is that rogue CC is never used in raids - Sap should be more useful. Sure they can kick but they by far don't own the monopoly on that - shammies and warriors and mages are often just as capable at it, if not better (eg shammy on Karathress). Basically rogues need some way to buff fellow dps and/or have more viable pve cc beyond the worth of sap in 5mans.

The disparity of some classes being awesome for pvp but meh for pve (rogues) and vice versa (shammies), should not exist. Each class should be equally viable for either.
 
Last edited:
Thats not entirely true Khayne.. in PVE they make excellent mules in raids if they have lots of 20 slot bags.

:D
 
Heh.
It's like Leo. When he's whirlwinding, ye olde rogue can do naught but stand around and look pretty. Meanwhile the enhance shammy is tossing chain heals assisting healers or keeping up some loldps with LB's, dropping searing totem to recenter Leo and just generally being a massive asset to the raid. Most raid encounters aren't just about leet singleminded DPS. Sure there's your Patchwerks and Brutalluses but for the most part tank and spank encounters are old history.
 
Khayne, I think for our current progression our Rogues can only bring DPS to the table (although they do bring good DPS) as we get further they'll need to start doing more.
Leo isn't a good example because it's just not melee friendly.
Hell, in my scrub SP gear I was topping on Leo the other night just because my Dot control was good.

IMO from a PvE standpoint Rogues are fine. They've got excellent gear itemisation and they dish substantial DPS.
What clouds the issue slightly is the fact we have an exceptional Enhance Shammy in our guild making the Rogues cry.
Because he can deal DPS thats as good or better and provide buffs it makes the Rogues contributions look smaller.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top
Sign up to the MyBroadband newsletter
X