XBox 360 hits 28million mark

[semiautomatix]

But VGchartz is the only place reporting that figure
Thats my point so you go on believing the guessttimation website!

Well please do post the other PS3 sales figures links, other than Sony, of course.

I mean, Redmond is reporting 28.7million consoles which is half a million higher than vgchartz, as such vgchartz doesn't seem to be biased toward anyone. Assuming Sony and Microsoft to be reporting correctly on their sales.

Oh well, at least you know about vgchartz, Solidus, up until a week ago IAP didn't even know they existed.

:shrug:

EDIT: grammar error

 

[I am Penguin]

Haha! Yes, Sony wouldn't possibly inflate their figures, but a third party source definitely inflates only the XBox 360 figures. *chuckle* Sony really did number on your head didn't they?

Everyone worth their salt know how Vgchartz thumbsuck and gestimate their numbers. We also know that they are theXbot bible and only source of flamebait materials. Wonder what the new Xbot excuse will be when the tables are turned. (I can visiulize already "Vgchartz must have been invaded by SONY aliens!"" Haha)

 

[Info Guy 101]

Are you that paranoid that you believe everyone else is out there to "get" the PS3 and Sony? Yes, the entire world is again the PS3, all those websites and new headlines. Or... just maybe... everyone isn't wrong.

No, I would not trust Sony's figures. A company auditing itself never ended in any trouble, hey? Don't be naive, Sony is appealing to its investors with the numbers.

Oh, but I forget, the rest of the world is out to take the PS3 down. Damn, where did I put my tinfoil hat?

I wouldn't be saying that about Sony's auditing compared with american companies eg. enron

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/governance.html

Audit Committee:

Monitors the performance of duties by Directors and Corporate Executive Officers (with regard to the preparation process of financial statements, disclosure controls and procedures, internal controls, compliance structure, risk management structure, internal audit structure, internal hotline system, and other matters).
Determines the content of proposals regarding the appointment/dismissal or non-reappointment of, approves the compensation of, and oversees and evaluates the work of Sony's independent auditors.
Reviews with Sony's independent auditors the scope and results of their audit including their evaluation of Sony's internal controls, compatibility with generally accepted accounting principles in the U.S., and the overall quality of financial reporting.

* An outside director who satisfies the requirements under item 15, Article 2 of the Japanese Company Law

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/NYSEGovernance.html

Under Japanese law, a director's status as an "outside" director is unaffected by the director's compensation, his or her affiliation with business partners, or the board's affirmative determination of independence. On the other hand, under Japanese law, a director who has had a career as a management director, corporate executive officer, or other employee of the company or its subsidiaries is by definition not an "outside" director.

Sony's Charter of the Board of Directors includes a provision requiring that each "outside" director:

(i) Shall not have received directly from Sony Group, during any 12 month period within the last three years, more than an amount equivalent to US$100,000, other than director and committee fees and pension or other forms of deferred compensation for prior service (provided such compensation is not contingent in any way on continued service);

 

[semiautomatix]

I wouldn't be saying that about Sony's auditing compared with american companies eg. enron

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/governance.html



http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/NYSEGovernance.html

Except you seem to have ignored the part where vgchartz lowers all the consoles sold numbers. The claim that they're biased toward the 360 is unfounded! That's the argument, not who Sony's auditors are.

 

[Info Guy 101]

You can correct me if I'm wrong but part of your argument is that Sony's numbers can't be trusted so that is relavent to the topic also when did I say VG charts is biased I'm commenting on your comment about Sony's audits. In my opinion it best to use numbers that come from the companies themselves even doobi use to say that vg charts where inaccurate even though they "appear" to be favour of the xbox 360

off topic/ Has anyone heard from doobi lately?

 

[Oculate]

off topic/ Has anyone heard from doobi lately?

No idea, will mail his gamertag on live this evening

 

[semiautomatix]

You can correct me if I'm wrong but part of your argument is that Sony's numbers can't be trusted so that is relavent to the topic also when did I say VG charts is biased I'm commenting on your comment about Sony's audits. In my opinion it best to use numbers that come from the companies themselves even doobi use to say that vg charts where inaccurate even though they "appear" to be favour of the xbox 360

off topic/ Has anyone heard from doobi lately?

I never said you stated vgchartz to be biased - but you did board that argument train Which is where this whole line stems from.

Thing is the companies (MS and Sony, alike) will add returns, replaced units, Christmas giveaways, gifts to company brats, devices destroyed in testing, those that fell off the boat and executive five finger shopping as an excuse to inflate their figures. Which technically is consoles that have left the factory, but is hardly representative of sales.

 

[Info Guy 101]

I never said you stated vgchartz to be biased - but you did board that argument train Which is where this whole line stems from.

Thing is the companies (MS and Sony, alike) will add returns, replaced units, Christmas giveaways, gifts to company brats, devices destroyed in testing, those that fell off the boat and executive five finger shopping as an excuse to inflate their figures. Which technically is consoles that have left the factory, but is hardly representative of sales.

So your saying that up until 2007 when the xbox 360 had a 16% - 33% failure rate that those sales should be exclude from the xbox 360 total sales? Compared with 3 % failure rate of Sony that might even things out

 

[semiautomatix]

So your saying that up until 2007 when the xbox 360 had a 16% - 33% failure rate that those sales should be exclude from the xbox 360 total sales? Compared with 3 % failure rate of Sony that might even things out

Only because Microsoft was kind enough to replace the entire unit. With the massive failure rate of the Bluray lasers (not included int he 3% because technically the console didn't "fail") the Sony owners weren't so lucky.

 

[maestro_za]

Only because Microsoft was kind enough to replace the entire unit. With the massive failure rate of the Bluray lasers (not included int he 3% because technically the console didn't "fail") the Sony owners weren't so lucky.

+1

Include YLOD (Yellow Light of Death); Blu-Ray DVD-ROM failure; bricked PS3's from firmware updates; overheating issues from HDD upgrades ...

 

[Info Guy 101]

Only because Microsoft was kind enough to replace the entire unit. With the massive failure rate of the Bluray lasers (not included int he 3% because technically the console didn't "fail") the Sony owners weren't so lucky.

+1

Include YLOD (Yellow Light of Death); Blu-Ray DVD-ROM failure; bricked PS3's from firmware updates; overheating issues from HDD upgrades ...

You can't ignore the fact the xbox 360 failure rate is higher than the PS3 and I never said the PS3 never breaks but it would even thing out if you removed all the broken consoles from the sales even if MS replaces them that actually makes it worst because like timgaul they'll count that one as well . If the failure rate of the PS3 is higher than or even too the xbox 360 Im sure you guy's can find me a site that proves that

Yes maestro_za I know you've on worked and seen alot of broken PS3's but I'm sure you don't work on ever broken PS3 in the world but just incase you do I'll say I'm extremely impress

 

[I am Penguin]

+1

Include YLOD (Yellow Light of Death); Blu-Ray DVD-ROM failure; bricked PS3's from firmware updates; overheating issues from HDD upgrades ...

All those together, of which most failures probably are to to human abuse, still do not amount to the BIG RROD scandal M$ with the Xbox produced. Remember there are still 28million potential RROD failures out there. Not IF but WHEN.

 

[Oculate]

Remember there are still 28million potential RROD failures out there. Not IF but WHEN.

and remember kids, there are 21.x million ps3 breakdowns... Not if, but when!

Seriously IAP, stop reposting the same rubbish Its like telling someone hes going to die, not how but it will happen... WE KNOW

 

[maestro_za]

Yes maestro_za I know you've on worked and seen alot of broken PS3's but I'm sure you don't work on ever broken PS3 in the world but just incase you do I'll say I'm extremely impress

I've fixed a couple of Ps3's needing replacement lasers. Made a pretty packet too

I wouldn't mind trying to fix any other problems come to think of it

The Ps3 is pretty locked down in terms of the BD-ROM firmware, so I'm not sure how one replaces the entire drive.

The suppliers I use have replacement ROM PCB's though. Should probably do some research on the matter.

 

[I am Penguin]

and remember kids, there are 21.x million ps3 breakdowns... Not if, but when!

Seriously IAP, stop reposting the same rubbish Its like telling someone hes going to die, not how but it will happen... WE KNOW

Why? So what is different with this argument?

+1

Include YLOD (Yellow Light of Death); Blu-Ray DVD-ROM failure; bricked PS3's from firmware updates; overheating issues from HDD upgrades ...

Geesh! you guys are realy sensitive about RROD. Yet it is factual AND it is not a normal natural run in the mill failure but a inherent design flaw. Nothing like a bad luck incident.

 

[Lydon]

I find it hilarious that when the Xbox is proven to sell better than the PS3 with simple facts and figures, Sony fanboys go on loooong rants about all sorts of crap.

Seriously, if the PS2 outselling the 360 means that the 360 sucks, then what on earth does that say for the PS3?! Comparing consoles from different generations in the first place is utterly stupid too. Heck, as mentioned you may as well start adding Zune and Windows sales to the Microsoft mix and all sorts of randoms to Sony's.

Secondly, the "RROD cometh!" argument is getting so so old now. I've had my Xbox for almost 2 years now and I haven't had so much as a blink of a problem with it. The newer versions are even less likely to experience problems...so please stop dwelling on the past. You don't see 360 owners going on about Sony's updates bricking consoles like there's no tomorrow do you?

 

[maestro_za]

All those together, of which most failures probably are to to human abuse, still do not amount to the BIG RROD scandal M$ with the Xbox produced. Remember there are still 28million potential RROD failures out there. Not IF but WHEN.

I don't think Blu-Ray drive, laser failure, bricked consoles from a firmware update freely available on the Net, and other breakdowns is down to abuse.

Users installing their own 2.5 inch SATA HDD is also supported by Sony, so overheating issues from that is down to design flaws of the Ps3 ... thank you very much

Neither is RROD, laid squarely at the use of lead-free solder and ATi not being clever in the rigidity testing of their GPU used in the Xbox 360. A thing of the past in the new revisions I might add.

 

[semiautomatix]

I find it hilarious that when the Xbox is proven to sell better than the PS3 with simple facts and figures, Sony fanboys go on loooong rants about all sorts of crap.

Seriously, if the PS2 outselling the 360 means that the 360 sucks, then what on earth does that say for the PS3?! Comparing consoles from different generations in the first place is utterly stupid too. Heck, as mentioned you may as well start adding Zune and Windows sales to the Microsoft mix and all sorts of randoms to Sony's.

Secondly, the "RROD cometh!" argument is getting so so old now. I've had my Xbox for almost 2 years now and I haven't had so much as a blink of a problem with it. The newer versions are even less likely to experience problems...so please stop dwelling on the past. You don't see 360 owners going on about Sony's updates bricking consoles like there's no tomorrow do you?

Thats what I've been asking. If you're having difficulty outselling the previous version of your own hardware you're doing something wrong.

 

[Iwojima]

I find it hilarious that when the Xbox is proven to sell better than the PS3 with simple facts and figures, Sony fanboys go on loooong rants about all sorts of crap.

Seriously, if the PS2 outselling the 360 means that the 360 sucks, then what on earth does that say for the PS3?! Comparing consoles from different generations in the first place is utterly stupid too. Heck, as mentioned you may as well start adding Zune and Windows sales to the Microsoft mix and all sorts of randoms to Sony's.

Secondly, the "RROD cometh!" argument is getting so so old now. I've had my Xbox for almost 2 years now and I haven't had so much as a blink of a problem with it. The newer versions are even less likely to experience problems...so please stop dwelling on the past. You don't see 360 owners going on about Sony's updates bricking consoles like there's no tomorrow do you?

+1

 

[I am Penguin]

I find it hilarious that when the Xbox is proven to sell better than the PS3 with simple facts and figures, Sony fanboys go on loooong rants about all sorts of crap.

Seriously, if the PS2 outselling the 360 means that the 360 sucks, then what on earth does that say for the PS3?! Comparing consoles from different generations in the first place is utterly stupid too. Heck, as mentioned you may as well start adding Zune and Windows sales to the Microsoft mix and all sorts of randoms to Sony's.

It says for them the PS3 is too expensive and the PS2 is the prefered and better alternative.

Secondly, the "RROD cometh!" argument is getting so so old now. I've had my Xbox for almost 2 years now and I haven't had so much as a blink of a problem with it. The newer versions are even less likely to experience problems...so please stop dwelling on the past. You don't see 360 owners going on about Sony's updates bricking consoles like there's no tomorrow do you?

Seems to me you also aquired some Xbot flappers. The RROD is ann OLD problem YES, but still as prominent and active as always. M$ have never solved the problem and even replacement/repaired units are failling. How can it be in the past (dwelling) if it is still current and happening every day. Just because yours lastedtill now it no guarantee we wont see you complaining here tommorow, under a new nick of course?

You know nothing about the so called update bricking PS3 consoles it seems, mine and many other PS3 owners on this forum worked fine. So using your argument it should not be up for discussion also comparing those few incidents with millions of RROD failures is just plain stupid logic and typical Xbot "revenge" retorts .