Xbox 720 Permanent Internet Required

I'm permanently connected to the internet as I'm sure most of the users of this forum are.. It's not going to be a factor when/if I decide to buy one of the next gen consoles.
 
I'm permanently connected to the internet as I'm sure most of the users of this forum are.. It's not going to be a factor when/if I decide to buy one of the next gen consoles.

And when your line dies. Tough cookies, go play in the garden?
 
I'm gonna have a good laugh at the dorks in this thread if MS confirms it as not always online
 
I'm permanently connected to the internet as I'm sure most of the users of this forum are.. It's not going to be a factor when/if I decide to buy one of the next gen consoles.

So you've never taken your console with on holiday?

Or decided to take it to a friend?
 
And when your line dies. Tough cookies, go play in the garden?

My line is pretty stable... if it does go down temporarily then I have plenty to keep me busy.

So you've never taken your console with on holiday?

Or decided to take it to a friend?

I don't go on holiday to play console and I have online multiplayer to play with my friends.

I play online multiplayer games 99% of the time, all of which obviously require a constant internet connection... so nothing would change.
 
http://www.411mania.com/games/news/280237

According to a source at VGLeaks, the Xbox 720 will not require an "always-online" internet connection.

The source also claimed that the console will be backwards compatible with Xbox 360 games via a new "reoriented" Xbox 360. The console, code named Durango, will apparently have an always-online functionality, but a lack of connection will not prevent users from using local content, nor will it prevent the use of second-hand games.

The repackaged Xbox 360 will not have its own disc drive but will allow the Xbox 720 to play older generation games. The report says, "Putting an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately. By separating the two devices and their functions it will ensure price competitiveness for both pieces of hardware."
 
Heres the VGLeaks source

http://www.vgleaks.com/microsoft-xbox-roadmap-2013/
We have received new information about the latest Xbox Roadmap. Our source unveils new details for Durango, Xbox mini and the Microsoft strategy; moreover we don’t forget Kinect 2.0.
Microsoft expands its Xbox brand
Getting to the point there are going to be two console as part of the redesigned “Xbox Line” of products. A repackaged and reoriented Xbox 360 unit and the new “Durango” gaming console, both designed to compete with more than Sony in gaming, but against Apple as well.

When the Durango (game machine) launches, it will not support backwards compatibility for 360 games out of the box. Instead, this functionality will come from the other unit that will be networked with the Durango to provide this (not unlike the DVD add-on for the original Xbox).

The purpose of the smaller Xbox unit is to compete with Apple TV, but also provides XBLA and 360 game support which will give it an edge over Apple TV. The rumors of “always online required” comes from the smaller Xbox unit which may not have a disc drive and like Apple TV it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality. It may be possible they will design both consoles to be stackable.

Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games. Putting in an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately. By separating the two devices and their functions it will ensure price competitiveness for both pieces of hardware. Microsoft’s delay in announcing these products from April goes more inline with not having a physical set of devices to show (among specification updates), which should be ready by May or June when this information is officially released.

The price goal of the smaller Xbox is $149 or lower and it is likely to not have a disc drive and would require a network connection. Durango will be priced competitively according to PS4′s price.

Kinect 2.0
A different department within Xbox handles Kinect hardware and software. The focus was more on developing and networking both consoles with Kinect more of an after thought at that point, considering dealing with it would be less of an issue even with hardware changes to the main console hardware. Kinect isn’t the primary focus.

The development kits required several pieces of hardware as to combine all “potential” hardware which may or may not be required to work with each other, which also includes the potential for any or all devices to required a network connection, which is where most of the “required” rumors are coming from.

I really don't want to buy a 'new xbox 360' to attach to the Next Xbox to continue playing 360 games...hopefully we'll see more news on that closer to the May 21st reveal/announcement
 
I still don't believe this in the sense that it's "required".

This whole "Always On" thing could be interpreted in so many ways and personally I think they refer to the fact that the console will remain online even when in standby mode (much like the PS4) so you can use current features like queuing stuff to the console remotely via the website or even get Smartglass or other remote data from it without it being fully turned on.

Things like updates will run in the background and not disturb you like they currently do, much like Windows does.

If you are disconnected from the internet for longer than 3 minutes your console shuts down.
 
The purpose of the smaller Xbox unit is to compete with Apple TV, but also provides XBLA and 360 game support which will give it an edge over Apple TV. The rumors of “always online required” comes from the smaller Xbox unit which may not have a disc drive and like Apple TV it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality. It may be possible they will design both consoles to be stackable.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I usually am), but this sounds now like this additional device will need always-online to play 360 games. Wtf?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong (I usually am), but this sounds now like this additional device will need always-online to play 360 games. Wtf?

Pretty sure you'd need an internet connection to actually download anything onto the new device. Then go offline and play?
 
Pretty sure you'd need an internet connection to actually download anything onto the new device. Then go offline and play?

Sure for the XBLA games.

it would require a network connection and internet to provide any real functionality.
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Putting in an Xbox 360 disc into Durango will prompt the user to attach the supporting device that is sold separately.

Madness I tell you.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong (I usually am), but this sounds now like this additional device will need always-online to play 360 games. Wtf?

Well what i think Microsoft is planning is more like what STEAM does. So i seriously doubt they will have this "3-minute game shutdown" nonsense. Chances are you will need to log into Xbox Live to verify or launch a game that is in digital format. I believe this is already the case on Xbox 360?? Alot of content i simply can't access if don't sign in, hell i sometimes can't even play my movies which is streamed to Xbox without signing in.

MS is probably going to have you link your physical disc to your Xbox Live account (like Steam does too) and then you can throw away your disc and you just need to verify with Xbox Live to play the game and get updates. This is probably also where the "ms is killing second hand" market rumour is coming from, because if MS is doing this, then it implies the physical disc is worthless after you linked it to your account, just like your boxed copy of Starcraft , WoW and Diablo is worthless after you've used the key on Battle.NET.

So this "add-on" aka "xbox 360 without a disc drive" implies you will buy a digital version of the game from the store and it will be a type of stand alone emulator , and again then we're back with the Steam model. Chances are, most people will simply opt to keep their Xbox 360s instead.

I am sure , just like Steam, you can play offline from a physical disc, or even verify your account once a week and play offline for the rest of the time.


Now as for the PS4 rumours, Sony already talked about the Gaikai Acquisition they made and what it is for. Gaikai is an online-only service (nevermind always-on) and chances are you will be playing Ps3 AND Ps4 games on there, but this is just an additional service, which i think is actually a great option to have. You pay a subscription fee per month and they "stream" games to you remotely. This might imply you never even buy any games, you "rent" them while you pay the sub etc etc. So i'm looking forward to seeing how this would work in SA.

So there's no reason for Sony to remove the offline games . They'll probably consider a Steam like setup too, but i got the impression Sony is trying to be more "open" with their next system, allowing developers more rights and thus consumers more options. Whereas Microsoft is sounding alot like Apple these days, i.e. locking down the Xbox Live store tight with alot of restrictions as to what we can do on our Xboxes (especially if you're in SA).
 
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Sure for the XBLA games.

True...

Madness I tell you.

Stolen from the NeoGAF discussion - pretty accurate if the leak is true
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South Africa is a small percentage of the sales for both the consoles. They make their money in the first world countries where everybody has internet connections.

Agreed, like all the other vendors, South Africa just does not feature in there oh ****, SA does not have decent bandwidth etc. If they lose our sales its just one of those things compared to the amount of people who are prepared to buy elsewhere. I myself bought PS3 simply because of the Blu ray which XBOX failed to put in. Was a little excited to hear that the new generation was definitely going to have Blu ray, however if it is the case, not a chance!
 
I saw that they said that most games would not require always on. So I doubt they will go that route. although I'm sure they will implement features that would make you more obliged to stay online with the console.
 
http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/26/4268782/next-xbox-drm-achievements-live

Polygon only reports rumours it can confirm with at least 2 reliable sources, so I am taking the above report as as close to fact as we will get before it is made official.

Always online options are optional for devs - so the console itself will not be always online (but some features will require it), but it will allow for publishers to use always on DRM. I can't imagine Sony not making a similar concession (especially if there is a risk that the game won't release on their platform).

I am more worried about the all the entertainment features MS keeps hinting at - stuff like PVR functions and music/movies. Since MS South Africa are basically the worst at getting anything our side (see SA XBLA), this means half the features won't exist here.
 
Always online options are optional for devs - so the console itself will not be always online (but some features will require it), but it will allow for publishers to use always on DRM. I can't imagine Sony not making a similar concession (especially if there is a risk that the game won't release on their platform).
That makes more sense. I'm guessing that it's something devs asked for, but was turned into a big hoo-haa.
 
So you've never taken your console with on holiday?

Or decided to take it to a friend?

They are working on this thing that connects to the Kinect while you are playing a game or watching a movie and will stop it if some one else comes in the room.
You will have to pay for another license or ticket for them to watch\play as well.

Seriously... they can stuff that Xbox in their egg box
 
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