In other words you exploit them. And then you wonder why the "savages" hate you so much? Still can't figure it out huh?
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In other words you exploit them. And then you wonder why the "savages" hate you so much? Still can't figure it out huh?
Albereth
Honorary Master
How did you get exploitation out of this?
I think you need a dictionary...
- dont get involved in unions etc
- if you have a problem and fire them you never hear from the labour department
Those are rights that legal workers are entitled to under SA law - you may not agree with it but it is the law. The "good" parts about foreigners is that they are illegal and are not entitled to protection from the law. So they don't unionize or take you to the CCMA. Hell they don't even demand minimum wage, legal working conditions, UIF etc.
Those are the rights of workers and you cannot deny that. Mugabe screwed them over and you benefit from that - exploitation.
So basically its just an assumption then!?
Did you see a "Notes and References" section? You make the call.
no i dont eploit anyone, the only reason i have ever fired anyone was because of theft. i caught a cashier stealing, within two hours she managed to get R400 that she was going to take out at a later stage in the day, i had the slips i had camera footage i even had a customer that informed me of what she was up to, i gave her the suspension letter and told her to come in for a hearing, she never pitched up, a month later i was taken to labour department where she said i never gave her any suspension notice etc. she denied everything, i was forced to give her 1 month notice pay including her leave pay.
so you tell me who actualy exploits who!?
what exactly do u do for a living?
so you tell me who actualy exploits who!?
what exactly do u do for a living?
As for your assumptions , i offer jobs to people that have no education / experience, i do not exploit anyone, i have two illegal mozambicans and they will kill if i ask them to, and thats because i treat them like **** its because i give them a chance to earn a good living through hard work.
FlatspinZA
Expert Member
I have two South Africans working for me. I leave them largely unsupervised as none of my equipment has ever gone missing. I was wondering why a small damp-proofing/painting job was taking so long, and I got a bee in my bonnet to go and check up on them at 15h50 today, hoping to catch them skiving. No sign of the buggers because they had already packed up and gone home. Nice! I know it's my own fault for not managing things properly. Tomorrow I am paying them for the work they have done & telling them to F-Off.
I previously fired one of them for being a lazy git. He begged me for his job back & I saw a marked improvement in his performance when I rehired him. My other employee was hired at the behest of an honest kitchen worker at a place in which I had done renovations. I am going to tell her why her husband is now jobless before he even gets a chance to befuddle her head with lies.
My point is: I gave jobs to two unemployed South African males with families to feed. I even pay them more than the minimum wage. If they need a loan I give it to them with extended repayment periods because I know how hard it is to look after a family, especially in these times of ever increasing hikes in fuel, and consequently everything.
I know quite a few Zimbabweans. They are hard working people. I will employ a Zimbabwean over a useless, lazy, South African any day. God help the person/s that set my Zimbabwean alight!!!! I will descend on the village/township/location with the fury of God & slaughter thousands of the spineless bastards before they take me down. Okay, maybe that is a bit harsh - but you get my point.
I previously fired one of them for being a lazy git. He begged me for his job back & I saw a marked improvement in his performance when I rehired him. My other employee was hired at the behest of an honest kitchen worker at a place in which I had done renovations. I am going to tell her why her husband is now jobless before he even gets a chance to befuddle her head with lies.
My point is: I gave jobs to two unemployed South African males with families to feed. I even pay them more than the minimum wage. If they need a loan I give it to them with extended repayment periods because I know how hard it is to look after a family, especially in these times of ever increasing hikes in fuel, and consequently everything.
I know quite a few Zimbabweans. They are hard working people. I will employ a Zimbabwean over a useless, lazy, South African any day. God help the person/s that set my Zimbabwean alight!!!! I will descend on the village/township/location with the fury of God & slaughter thousands of the spineless bastards before they take me down. Okay, maybe that is a bit harsh - but you get my point.
There is a difference between illegally exploited and legally screwed over - mainly it revolves around the word legally.
My occupation, race, ethnicity, religion and nationality have nothing to do with this discussion.
Are they legally South Africans? If not and you specifically employ illegal aliens because they have little or no legal rights then you are exploiting their plight.
Now stop being so sensitive, it is what it is, I employ an illegal alien (Zimbo). I pay him good money, but I can fire him when I want, not pay UIF etc so even if it is in a small sense, I exploit him. I am just being honest about what I am doing.
FlatspinZA
Expert Member
I wouldn't call it exploitation if you provide someone with an opportunity to earn a decent wage if he wouldn't otherwise have had this oportunity in his homeland. Someone needs to help these poor buggers out. Mugabe sure as hell hasn't. Our government sure as hell won't.
Hell, I think you deserve a standing ovation for being one of the few who would help a person out.
Legally these people are screwed on either side of the border. Who's to say you won't be across there one day seeking refuge? I say: "Do unto others..." Bugger the law while it sits it's ass around a nice meal of KFC at lunchtime while people are starving, and being murdered, on both sides of the border!!!!!!
Hell, I think you deserve a standing ovation for being one of the few who would help a person out.
Legally these people are screwed on either side of the border. Who's to say you won't be across there one day seeking refuge? I say: "Do unto others..." Bugger the law while it sits it's ass around a nice meal of KFC at lunchtime while people are starving, and being murdered, on both sides of the border!!!!!!
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
I agree with him too. Based on experience. With not one single exception, coming to think of it. At one of my old jobs we hired and fired one receptionist/office admin girl after the other. All South African, all educated, most with relevant experience. Sadly, all of them showed the world-owes-me attitued, or had no interest in their job, or did a shoddy job, or treated our clients like ****, or stole, or was rude on the phone, or was constantly late, or didn't pitch for work, or all of the above. And most of them came from reputable agencies. Then, in a fit of sheer desparation, we hired a (legal, papered) Zimbabwean girl, with a high-school diploma but no further training or prior experience. Well, she did such a fantastic job, and took on so much that we never asked or expected of her, that she made her direct superior redundant within a year.
The author also mentions artisans. They are truly looked down upon. Why? Over here people doing the dirty jobs are not regarded any different from someone serving you in a shop or the doctor you see at the NHS hostpital. They probably make more money too.
AmenOnly prob is, that means they should be setting the ANC members alight because they let it happen
Sadly, the vast majority of South African employers have not yet learned the value of investing in their employees, looking after them and treating them with respect. Giving your employees (assuming good, hardworking ones) *more* than they expect yields far greater returns for you than giving them as little as you can get away with.
You may not believe it, but some workers with half a brain, good work ethics, a little self-respect, and who don't suffer from the you-owe-me-the-world syndrome that electioneering politicians infected them with, will accept getting fired if they did a bad job. Their lazy-ass you-owe-me-the-world saffa counterpart will tell the most outrageous lies, put the CCMA on you, all to squeeze a couple thousand more out of you. So yes, exploitation.
Moederloos
Honorary Master
Someone once said to me: 'America was built and made successful on three little words: "You are fired."'
The inability to want to say that (government+eskom etc) and not being allowed to say that (CCMA etc) is why SA is a disaster.
The inability to want to say that (government+eskom etc) and not being allowed to say that (CCMA etc) is why SA is a disaster.
Albereth
Honorary Master
Moederloos
Honorary Master
Exactly. While a useless receptionist is being "processed", a company either has to pay for another one, or have no one answer the phones.
And for 6 months+ ?
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
And that's exactly the problem - what do you do with a worker who's in the months-long process of being fired? Surely you don't want them anywhere near your clients/equipment/employees. And even if you don't mind that, they're still worth nothing to you (hence the getting fired), so you end up paying someone for several months of nothing.
I think it's generous enough to pay a fired employee a month's wages. Anything more than that is just ridiculous.
From what your talking about, I would suggest companies have a real look at their recruitment processes. It supposed to weed out the posers, and if someone has blatantly lied on their CV, then you have to ask questions of the agency that presented the canidate, they did not do verification.
Now it seems you agree ' ing to disagree!?, you are making the assumption that i employ illegals because i can get away with paying less or treating them badly and they have to legs to stand on when infact it is the exact opposite.
I pay them just as good as any other employee and treat them the same, i said that if you have an issue with them, meaning if they do something wrong eg. theft. you can safely dismiss them without having to worry about them turning it all against you to try squeeze more out of you, now if he is owed leave pay he will recieve it regardless of the reason of his dismissal.
I have 22 black staff working for me, and ive seen many come and go and ive noticed the pattern of how saffirs always give you more trouble, when they work well they are great but its not those that you need to worry about, its the clever ones with chips on their shoulders that have the "dont talk to me talk to my lawyer" attitude, now you dont find that with illegals, simply because it is not their right, its a priviledge for them and as long as they stay honest they have nothing to worry about.