Xtraview advice required

@grav80 - lol. Lawrence gave me his mobile number so he is within reach and I purchased 100m cabling for the job, so there is enough to go around. I am just not sure he will look forward to getting into the ceiling again! The house I purchased is structurally very sound, but the ceiling and more so the cornices require a little attention. So I may not be in a hurry to get him up there soon.

I am not allowed to touch the TV while the cartoon network is on so as soon as the rugrat goes to sleep I will do the rest of the installation and post the results. I sometimes wonder who is the boss around here. Besides I have the plumber coming around to look at the thermostat of the geyser so it all depends on getting these things out of the way first.

Thanks for warning. Only Lawrence will know whether there were any corners he had to pull the cable around but since I had quite a lot of cable to work with, we were quite generous in our use of cable.
 
In most cases the casing around the cable is quite thick and will take a lot of bending to actually break the copper inside, luckily it's not old school fibre :-D. For us the room which is the new little DSD has 99% signal while the HD PVR in the lounge has 95% on all 4 channels so you will find a few inconsistencies on signals like that.
 
From being completely clueless about Xtraview and asking many silly questions to finally completing my first Xtraview installation. I would still have been stuck on the starting line were it not for the patience and guidance of some very informed and helpful people on this forum. I cannot thank you guys enough.
@Lupus - Thanks for bearing with me and responding to my numerous PMs. Big ups to you.
@grav80 - Thanks for simplifying what initially appeared (and later turned out to be :)) a daunting task.
@Smurfatefrog - Your guidance close to the finish line was invaluable. Thank you.
@Luke7777 - Thanks for broadening my knowledge about things like SATCR, etc

Anyway, its not like I won an Oscar or something :)

Got everything setup and called MC (They are missing a trick if they are not getting a kickback from the networks for the minutes of airtime they gobble up when you call the callcentre). After a 30 minute call, all the settings and activations were completed and Xtraview was enabled. Checked my phone and since starting this Xtraview process two weeks ago, I had spent 83 minutes on the phone with MC:wtf:

To the question of whether the signal quality differs between the two decoders. The answer is a resounding "YES".

(1) Primary Decoder linked with new cables to LNB : Horizontal : 87% and Vertical : 84%
(2) Secondary Decoder linked with old cables to LNB: Horizontal : 76% and Vertical : 78%
(A caveat to these numbers is that I discovered earlier today that there is one of those very old splitters/Cable connectors attached close to the old cable going into secondary decoder. It appears that the guys wanted to move their decoder but found that the existing installed cable was too short. So they made this connection to another piece of cable and attached a F connector and connected it to the LNB input on the secondary decoder. This fairly archaic connection and the general wear and tear on the cable is no doubt the reason for the difference in the numbers.)

Looking at those numbers more closely it is quite interesting to note that with primary decoder, horizontal > vertical, but with secondary decoder it is the other way around. Since they both attached to the same dish, surely this cannot be explained by dish or LNB misalignment. If that was the case the trend would have been consistent on both decoders (H > V or V > H). IMO it probably speaks more to the cabling issues of the secondary decoder than anything misaligned.

The closing out step for me now is to follow Smurfatefrog's advice and tape up the connectors on the LNB as a means of waterproofing. His notes refer to "rubber tape" but I am unable to look for or purchase that today. Gonna stick to old fashion insulation tape. When I bought the dual LNB, it looked rather flimsy and actually had gaps between the pieces of plastic holding the unit together. I decided to use some silicone to close the gaps as they were certainly wide enough for water to get into the LNB. The LNB also came with what they call a "rain cover". I am sure you guys must have encountered this before. To my mind it did not look it was gonna keep out much of the rain, perhaps inadvertantly collecting some! Insulation tape will be going there too.

That will finalise things outside as the ladder needs to go back to the rental guys tomorrow (I already booked it one day more than was planned)

Had a huge purchase recently and along with it came loads of expenses. Paying an installer (for the 4th or 5th time) was not going to be one of them and I am happy that in this case I managed to save quite a bit, learn a heck of a lot and meet some cool people online.


PS:
I at one point hilariously spent 30 mins on the phone with MC Callcentre to get the decoders transferred to my name. This was while I was sitting at a consultants desk at their N1 City branch. The consultant did not want to do the transfer with out a letter and copy of ID of the previous owner while the CallCentre was willing to do it if I provide them with certain information. In essence I was forced to call MC while being at MC. Then had to be the middle man between the two consultants as the one was trying to pawn off work on to the other. After having enough of this madness, I handed my cell ph to the consultant sitting across from me and told her to speak to the CallCentre dude herself and sort the matter out. Once again, they missing the the kickback option. lol
So I ask the in-house consultant why the Callcentre are allowed to transfer decoders without the need of an ID or a letter and she says that the CallCentre records all calls received but since I am walking into the branch, they cannot record what I have said. I tried pointing out that they had cameras recording my every move in the place, but it did not help :confused:. Rules are rules hey. Made absolutely no sense at all. If I had stolen the decoder, would I be coming to MC to register it onto my name?
 
Good work mate! Remember these kinds of forums are there as a mutual benifit to us all.

Who know's, maybe next time you will help me out!

BTW, is all working as it should at this point?
 
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Thanks guys.

@grav80 - Right now it is just teething problems. Back in the OP I said I received the two 1110 decoders from different parties and MC would like me to believe that the problems I am suddenly starting to have with "Parental Control" block was carried over from the previous owner. (yawn). Anyway they sorted it out after I called them for the fifth time, further ticking up the costs incurred by contacting MC. Not to mention the frustration.

Got up the ladder to do the insulation tape thingie - done. (Note to self - you should have done it when you initially attached the cables as doing it afterward is much trickier when the cables are so close to each other)

Been keeping track of the costs of installation and excluding the MC related costs, the next highest was the need to hire a mother of a step ladder for two days (delivery & collection included) to get to the dish which was a minimum 3 metres from the ground.

I still have some cabling in the one bedroom that requires tidying up but i havent as yet decided between adhesive trunking or the old cable clips.
 
Go for trunking and for sticking it to the wall use clear silicon, yes it takes a few seconds longer to grip, but when it does man does it grip, also when you eventually need to pull it down it leaves a lot less residue. I used to do cabling in my youth and we used to use all different kinds of adhesives, eventually my stepdad told me I should try using silicon instead of the others.
Also glad you finally got there :-D
 
Cool man. I was leaning towards the trunking myself. The ones I have around here are perfect for single coax cables so i will use them for the smaller cables from the TV & decoder. There is a place really close to me that sells the std trunking and I think they have self-adhesive trunking (have not tried this yet); either way I need trunking that holds more than one coax cable so will check it out. Interested in knowing the price difference between the std and the self-adhesive ones.

I have some clear silicone and will take your advise on using it.

Also, been thinking about how to go about fixing that crappy cable connection (connecting coax cables together to create an extension)the previous owners had in the lounge. I know the perfect solution is ripping it out and re-running new cable from LNB to the decoder, but that will have to wait a little bit until I can find a way to get another 14ft ladder - this time for free :)

Is there another way of creating a decent connection between them without seriously compromising signal strength. At this point there is probably a 10% loss in strength when compared to the other decoder in the house.
 
Geez, thats the solution! dude at some point I will stop asking stupid questions, whether by design or simply the law of averages; I dont know :) I do need to use that HDcabling site more, wealth of information there.

The extension is about 1.2m at the most.

Added the connector to my list of things to get today, thankfully the store is about 3 minutes away. Thx
 
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