y does anyone remain with iBurst

slimothy said:
why else would they keep paying month after month,
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Because (your term) the non-geeks don't know any better. They think it's the best thing since sliced bread because most of them (from what I hear) comes from 56k modems.

They geniunely are uninformed about the ways and wonders of the internet. They pay and go "omg, im getting 20kb/s, this is SO awesome" where they don't realise they should be getting around 120kb/s like you're getting.

Some of them still to this day think that callmore time applies on public holidays... that was "abolished" back in 1996 I think (may be earlier).... almost 10 freaking years dude.

WBS is counting on the sheer stupidity and ignorance of people. Hell, I spent almost 2 hours trying to explain to someone that if you have ADSL you can use your normal phone line AND be on the internet while using ONE phone line.

And unlike others, I didn't try and argue with the dude...
 
oh my bad, I thought we were here to discuss this stuff, I wasn't told I had to agree with everything you say. Simply put if I come on this forum and say "yay ADSL is the greatest yay i love ADSL, iPoo (did you get my funny little pun everyone hahah) wait i mean iBurst sucks" then everyone is happy, however if i say "well wait a minute it doesn't suck as bad as the adsl kids say it does, well not mine anyway" then suddenly i'm causing friction, and yet i'm labelled as a fan boy, we can priase crap 192kbit dial up and call it broadband and everyones happy, but if we praise a 1mbit service that isn't ADSL then the trouble begins.

I find the pro ADSL users as annoying as you with pro iBurst users but I humour them anyways, even though they dont have the service or facts to back up thier claims, so I guess (yes bb_matt i'm going to say it) thats the pot calling the kettle black
 
Yeah thats correct...i think that slimothy and other users who are happy have to come and check this towers like Northcliff Roodeport...and than we can seat and talk about Iburst...they will be like us as well...because with useless connection u cant do anything but canceling it or complain about it...even if u are the most professional when u have a crap connection u cant do anything more about it...ive done almost everything and still same crap...and its not only me who did almost everything and got nothing...
My opinion is rather get 192k package but like 10GB monthly and to have at least some speed on P2p but not 0KB/s....like iburst...
 
ok but makedon, whilst I can agree with some of what you said above my personal opinion is that if you are not happy with iBurst, if you are not glad you're with them then switch, go somewhere else, thats your only real recourse.

and to noone, iBurst has been carefull to always mention 'up to 1mbit' not everyone will get it, there are ways to help improve the number of people who can achieve it but its all dependant on your area, if however you are paying 600 a month and getting 60KB/s then whats so bad about that, you get a 24/7 connection, same speed or faster as 512ADSL, you can buy more bandwith and won't be shut down as you hit the cap
 
That's nuffink - my car can do up to 1000 km an hour. :p

But even so, some guarantee's from any of our *** service providers would be really nice.
In fact, it would be a case of "about time".

Well - at least you can "Trial" the IBurst package, and they don't argue with you if you must return the hardware - or do they nowdays ?

There is no way that you can Trial a ADSL-Line package - it's pay up or get nuffink - no refunds - though some ADSL ISP's do allow you to try them out.
 
slimothy said:
so I guess (yes bb_matt i'm going to say it) thats the pot calling the kettle black
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fight fight fight fight fight ! :D

I've made some jokes about iBurst, but stand by my opinions that if it worked for everyone, it would be damn awesome and I'd be using it myself.

In fact, if I wouldn't have been able to get ADSL, iBurst would've been my only other choice, so I would be using it now, on the Randburg tower, which as far as I've read, doesn't have great speeds. Then again, before ADSL, I had MyCareLess which by the time the k@k hit the fan, was down to 5k per second max ! - ouch !

There's no point to this argument other than trying to force people to agree with each others opinions. I won't even choose sides, it's pointless.

Another thing I've made clear on many occassions is that we're all in the same boat - we all want affordable, fast internet connections with decent data allowances.

But they MUST be reliable for EVERYONE to be viable, otherwise, what's the point ?

I cannot recommend iBurst to anyone who asks, because I don't want to be responsible for them having a bad connection.

On the other hand, I'm careful recommending ADSL - I make it very clear that the chances of getting it are 50/50, that it's expensive and will take as long as month to install.

Finally, there is the one other thing which draws me away from iBurst - lock in.
Although your locked in with ADSL as well, at least you have a choice of Modems and ISP's and when the SNO gets going, a choice of another provider too.

The ultimate world ?

Both fixed and wireless - I'd love that. To be able to take my laptop wherever I want and know that my wireless connection was reliable, without having to worry about cost and then to get home/to the office onto my fixed ADSL line with low latency.
 
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slimothy said:
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and ic of course i'm not getting where you're coming from because you speak in ye old english half the time, and I turn off when I read jar jar binks methinks stuff well that coupled with the fact that you don't actually come out and say what you're saying, I left my crystal ball in my other pants.
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Miskien is dit nie eers 'ye old english' nie...?

'Padda' is nie die enegste woord wat ook in Scotse Gaelic bestaan met dieselfde betekenis, miskien is daar meer as net 'n paar mense van Scotland wat ook Afrikaans verstaan, hoekom dan nie die Engelsman nie...? :)

Ek vra nou verskooning vir my slegte gebruik van die taal - daar is 'n bietjie Ferrous Oxide in my gebruik van Afrikaans :).

Anyways, my point behind the question I asked previously, is that this forum has a mixture of happy & unhappy iBursters, I don't know why the happy iBursters are here everyday telling the unhappy iBursters how they never have problems, which is not really helpful when you're experiencing a problem & not being offered a solution...other than perhaps "if you're unhappy go get ADSL..." - my guess is that most unhappy iBursters have not yet cancelled bcos ADSL is simply not available everywhere, and even where it is available there is a huge waitinglist/backlog...
bb_matt said:
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The ultimate world ?

Both fixed and wireless - I'd love that. To be able to take my laptop wherever I want and know that my wireless connection was reliable, without having to worry about cost and then to get home/to the office onto my fixed ADSL line with low latency.
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Well that's exactly where I think 3G fits in, and in December HSDPA - use ADSL for mega downloading/traffic, and 3G with a notebook/PDA when you're on the move [not for downloading], and it can be an affordable backup to ADSL when you consider the lower end data bundles like 250MB [i.e. enough for checking email & a bit of browsing or whatever]...
 
ic said:
Miskien is dit nie eers 'ye old english' nie...?

'Padda' is nie die enegste woord wat ook in Scotse Gaelic bestaan met dieselfde betekenis, miskien is daar meer as net 'n paar mense van Scotland wat ook Afrikaans verstaan, hoekom dan nie die Engelsman nie...? :)

Ek vra nou verskooning vir my slegte gebruik van die taal - daar is 'n bietjie Ferrous Oxide in my gebruik van Afrikaans :).
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For the sake of peace, this Englishman will attempt a terrible translation of the above - be warned, it won't be pretty !

'Padda' is not the only word that is used in Scottish Gaelic that has the same meaning, perhaps there are more than a few people from Scotland that also understand Afrikaans, how come the english man doesn't ?

I ask for forgiveness of my terrible use of the language, there is a bit of rust in my use of Afrikaans.

Hey, not so bad after all ! - just don't ask me to speak Afrikaans - I feel terribly embarrased when chatting with my Afrikaans buddies, so I just speak English back to them :D

To be fair, I've been in the country for 30 years (give or take a few years away), so I suppose I should know the language, considering I was forced to learn it :D
 
To get back onto the fscking topic here...

I use iBurst because:

1) The DAMN F*CKING THING WORKS WELL
2) I AM CAPPED AND I AM GETTING 8kBytes/sec local and international which is acceptable to me as a throttled service, as opposed to NO SERVICE that you get with a hellkom ADSL line. I can even p2p at 3kbytes/sec, same as my old 56k modem.
3) I will never, ever in my entire life give Telkom a cent again. While it is true that some of the money I pay to WBS goes to Telkom I would rather give them my money than hand it over to the devil directly.
4) As mentioned, some of us refuse to do business with the devil, and I have successfully convinced my employer to get rid of the Telkom lines and get a VoIP solution. We are getting three iBurst UTD's for net, and using VPN for the branches.

To answer i c 's earlier questions:

The Telkom network has been completely digital since the last decade. The digitalization target was 1998. I saw several exchanges being switched over to digital when I joined in 1996. By 1998 all the electromechanical stuff had been removed.

Right now, there is a lack of availability of DSLAM ports and exchange cards. The exchange needs a software upgrade to run ADSL and this has to be done on planned overtime at midnight. Lack of qualified staff (read: people who know what the hell they are doing) and lack of staff period contributes to the problem
 
bb_matt said:
The ultimate world ?

Both fixed and wireless - I'd love that. To be able to take my laptop wherever I want and know that my wireless connection was reliable, without having to worry about cost and then to get home/to the office onto my fixed ADSL line with low latency.
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Thats exactly what I have dude. 512k ISASDL uncapped at home (soon to be upgraded to 1mb) and 3G whilst on the move... It really is the best of both worlds - I have a Linksys WAG54G router at home (802.11g) so I never see the damn cables...
 
I am totally unsurprised that Telkomonopoly T-Zones hardly ever get mentioned when ADSL is discussed - again IMO due to the fact that it's not exactly feasible at a few minutes per session & if you're not on DSL512 you don't get any "free" T-Zone sessions...
 
ic said:
I am totally unsurprised that Telkomonopoly T-Zones hardly ever get mentioned when ADSL is discussed - again IMO due to the fact that it's not exactly feasible at a few minutes per session & if you're not on DSL512 you don't get any "free" T-Zone sessions...
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IC, i used to use T-Zones a lot, especially when they were "free" (You used your telkomsa adsl account details to log on), and it counted towards your normal cap. Now that they are charging on a time based method, I give them a total miss - 3G works out substantially cheaper. I used to work of one of the Sandton T-Zones quite a lot (there is one in the Crown Plaza hotel), and it was linked via an E1 line back into the exchange. As I was for all intents and purposes the only one using the hot spot the vast majority of the time, it was like having my own personal E1 connection :D I still havent seen Internet reponse times as good as I got off the Hotspots anywhere else in this country... (and btw, they werent shaped - dunno if this still holds...)
 
BTW most telkom connections seem to not be shaped and if are then poorly shaped, not anything like iburst. My friend has DSL384 and uses limewire with no prob. The only issue for P2P on DSL is when your cap dies to find local p2p that isn't considered "international".
 
ScrnScrm said:
IC, i used to use T-Zones a lot, especially when they were "free" (You used your telkomsa adsl account details to log on), and it counted towards your normal cap. Now that they are charging on a time based method, I give them a total miss - 3G works out substantially cheaper. I used to work of one of the Sandton T-Zones quite a lot (there is one in the Crown Plaza hotel), and it was linked via an E1 line back into the exchange. As I was for all intents and purposes the only one using the hot spot the vast majority of the time, it was like having my own personal E1 connection :D I still havent seen Internet reponse times as good as I got off the Hotspots anywhere else in this country... (and btw, they werent shaped - dunno if this still holds...)
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying: the limited number of "free" time-limited sessions and only with DSL512 [8*30min - HomeDSL512; 10*30min - BusinessDSL512] - the reasons why T-Zones are unlikely to be widely used...again Telkomonopoly's strangle-hold makes the potential mobility aspect useless...
 
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