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Cray said:
No, I just feel that the Israeli state is hypocritical in it's condemnation of terrorism when the actions of it's own defence force have come under criticism for the death of civilians in Gaza.
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So what would you do if the terrorists hide between their mothers legs and push their brothers and sisters to the front. Ever thought they do it for a deliberate reason to won the sympathy of the ignorant fools in this world?

I would say the Western nations should do what Russia, China, Korea, Syria and all the others do as for the hell of it I cannot understand why this "high moral" ground is expected from the Western world but what the others nations do appease them fools even given the fact and proof these nations care hoot about killing their own, let alone other nations, civilians! look at North Africa, Nigeria, etc.
 
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Cray said:
And given service ribbons by the Israeli defence force for "service for the establishment of the Israeli state". Seems that Israel doesn't;t have a problem with terrorism if it furthers their own ends.
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Pretty much the same way that the ANC thinks that MK are veterans of anything.
 
Seriously said:
So what would you do if the terrorists hide between their mothers legs and push their brothers and sisters to the front. Ever thought they do it for a deliberate reason to won the sympathy of the ignorant fools in this world?

I would say the Western nations should do what Russia, China, Korea, Syria and all the others do as for the hell of it I cannot understand why this "high moral" ground is expected from the Western world but what the others do appease them even given the fact and proof they care hoot about killing their own, let alone other nations, civilians!
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We expect the moral high ground from Western powers because that is how they like to portray themselves. Israel is held up as the only true western democracy in the middle east but they then choose to act in a way that is anything but civilized.

Not every Palestinian is a terrorist, just like not every Israeli soldier is guilty of killing civilians. If Israel want to be regarded as better than other countries in the region then perhaps they should start acting like it.
 
Cray said:
We expect the moral high ground from Western powers because that is how they like to portray themselves. Israel is held up as the only true western democracy in the middle east but they then choose to act in a way that is anything but civilized.

Not every Palestinian is a terrorist, just like not every Israeli soldier is guilty of killing civilians. If Israel want to be regarded as better than other countries in the region then perhaps they should start acting like it.
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You live in an idealistic dream world. What should Israel do when they get attacked by the Arab outcasts? Just sit back and accept it as that is the moral thing to do in case you kill a child in defending yourself?

Not every Palestinian in Israel is a terrorist but maybe everyone in Gaza is a terrorist. ;)
 
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You live in an idealistic dream world. What should Israel do when they get attacked by the Arab outcasts? Just sit back and accept it as that is the moral thing to do in case you kill a child in defending yourself?

Not every Palestinian in Israel is a terrorist but maybe everyone in Gaza is a terrorist. ;)
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Okay then... well I think we should choose to agree to disagree..
 
Cray said:
No, I just feel that the Israeli state is hypocritical in it's condemnation of terrorism when the actions of it's own defence force have come under criticism for the death of civilians in Gaza.

Also am not arrogant enough to assume I know what I would do if I was part of a people that had been oppressed for so long.

Tell me this, do you believe terrorism is ever justified, do you believe the black people of this country should have meekly accepted the way the apartheid government treated them?
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There is no justification for terrorism. Ever.

If you think that you are being hard done by, and you have enough support then you could try the route that Ghandi took in India - just do nothing.

If that's not working for you then you could try the coup route. Have the military on your side. Take over a TV station.

Escalate it a step further and go for a civil war. Pit your military genius against the encumbent.

And then you could have the 'resistance' like France in WWII, or partisans in Russia.

But when you set out to target civilians you are nothing.
 
Cray said:
And given service ribbons by the Israeli defence force for "service for the establishment of the Israeli state". Seems that Israel doesn't;t have a problem with terrorism if it furthers their own ends.
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The Stern & Irgun gangs taught terrorism to the rest of the middle east.

Begin later proudly admitted his terrorism in an interview for American television. When the interviewer asked him, “How does it feel, in the light of all that’s going on, to be the father of terrorism in the Middle East?” Begin proclaimed, “In the Middle East? In all the world!”[15]
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/crimes-zion/israels-first-pm-father-terrorism-me-all-world
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Albereth said:
He was acquitted - is the answer that you are looking for.
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Being acquitted of a crime is not the same as being innocent.. The TRC had a mandate to follow up crimes committed within South Africa, the SADF spent a lot of time in Namibia during the 80's and many possible war crimes where covered by the Amnesty Proclamation of 1989. Not to say that both sides weren't equally to blame but declaring an amnesty doesn't mean the crimes did not happen.

http://www.nshr.org.na/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=643
 
Albereth said:
There is no justification for terrorism. Ever.

If you think that you are being hard done by, and you have enough support then you could try the route that Ghandi took in India - just do nothing.

If that's not working for you then you could try the coup route. Have the military on your side. Take over a TV station.

Escalate it a step further and go for a civil war. Pit your military genius against the encumbent.

And then you could have the 'resistance' like France in WWII, or partisans in Russia.

But when you set out to target civilians you are nothing.
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So you agree that Israel is morally wrong by allowing self proclaimed terrorists to serve in the Israeli Defence force?
 
Cray said:
So you agree that Israel is morally wrong by allowing self proclaimed terrorists to serve in the Israeli Defence force?
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So you agree it's morally wrong to base our core army personnel of former terrorists?
 
sparticus said:
Bwaa haa haa haa , sounds like the apartheid governments views on blacks. Go to love it hey , you forgot how the Germans viewed and treated these vastly superior beings.
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haw haw

so compared to their israeli neighbors, just what have the palestinians actually contributed to medicine, science, technology etc etc
 
ponder said:
And before the illegal settlements into occupied territories who attacked who?
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Who lived in Palestine? Israelis implemented land claims aged 2000 years or more older. Through terrorist attacks against the british.
Read the history and then judge.
 
grantza said:
haw haw

so compared to their israeli neighbors, just what have the palestinians actually contributed to medicine, science, technology etc etc
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Uhm have you ever bothered to read books about science and where it originated?
Please tell us of the great Israeli inventions. Oh I forgot you cant differentiate between a jew and israeli. Probably means same as a zionist to you.
 
Ok see where confusion arose. I was referring to implications that only Israelis invented things. Yet arabs of which palestinians form part invented many things as well. The implications are that the palestinians are lesser beings with israelis being somehow now superior and more deserving. If true then same as Nazi arguments.
 
grantza said:
haw haw

so compared to their israeli neighbors, just what have the palestinians actually contributed to medicine, science, technology etc etc
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See this for my perception of implications of superiority.
 
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