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Question for you guys that have done ZA often.

Do you kill all adds or cc some before engaging boss?

Seems to be divided comment on the web. We had our first try last night with a sheep and a shackle as cc. Sheep seemed reliable but we got owned when the soul drain, drained the priest abilities and mc'ed our shadow priest, aoe fear, broken shackle and dead healers twice. The mage tried to sheep the Shadow priest 2nd time while the hunter tried trapping the now loose Blood Elf, but we lost our druid in the process.

Seems some guilds just nuke all adds so they have quality time with boss, but this means more damage at the end of the fight from boss.


We had very limited time so didnt have a chance to try the nuke adds option.
 
Well, i only do the speed runs. And to save time, we just CC all adds and
nuke the crap outa the boss. Goes down in seconds!
 
We usually take a mage, warlock, priest for adds.

We then nuke 1, and keep the rest CC'd and zerg the boss

Speed runs on Malacrass? AFAIK he doesn't have a chest
 
We normally kill teh adds and then nuke the boss. Sometimes just keep teh one banished
 
Kill one add then kill the boss. Add to be killed would depend on what CC we lack, or the problems that may result if a particular CC breaks.
 
t1ck3ts said:
Well, i only do the speed runs. And to save time, we just CC all adds and
nuke the crap outa the boss. Goes down in seconds!
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Seconds? Either you have dps that all do over 2k dps or we are talking about a different boss.
 
Optioncarduser said:
We usually take a mage, warlock, priest for adds.

We then nuke 1, and keep the rest CC'd and zerg the boss

Speed runs on Malacrass? AFAIK he doesn't have a chest
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Aye, he doesnt. But we have a power team together for the speed run. So DPS and healing is crazy.

werries2 said:
Seconds? Either you have dps that all do over 2k dps or we are talking about a different boss.
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If you holding me to what i said about seconds, then yeah, sure. I never stipulated how many :) it could be 120seconds :) heheheh but i get what u mean. And he does go down REALLY! quick. Ill try find a wws of our last ZA run

Avarage DPS on our speed runs:

Mages: 1.8k-1.9k
Warlocks: 2.1k
Hunters: 1.9k-2.1k

And we only take 2 healers, 2 tanks,more room for dps
 
Hmm so in summary, everyone has a different strategy.

Apart from the crazy dps, where we are not at in our progression in the game looks like one has to find a solution that works best for oneself.

Thx
 
That's not bad t1ck3ts, you can very easily get Brutallus down with that dps and quite possibly even 20 man it as it's just a gear check.

I battle with reaching that cos of the trash with low hp (less than 30k) as they go down kinda fast it's difficult to get in the damage with 3s cast times. My last casts usually end up with either KB or 2.5 secs wasted on casting which drops my dps.

Impressive damage though :)
 
If you can average about 2k on speed runs with trash then your dps on a single target is much, much higher so should be pretty easy with that kind of powah.
 
SS or it didnt happen

10min hp, 6min enrage timer, boss needs rotation of 4 tanks, every1 needs above 8k hp cos 1 of his abilities deals 8k dmg = tons of healers required... Id really like to see a 20man Brutallus fight
 
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Yea I am very sceptical about that as well...
Most of the videos I have seen, and we are talking of videos of guilds like SK gaming, For the horde, Method, Forte etc all killed Brutallis when he was enraged for around 5 sec's. Those boys have been farming blacktemple for ages and most of their rogues have 2 x glaives, and they are pretty much in full p1mped Tier 6 gear. Brutalis is one of the biggest DPS checks in the game according to guilds that have downed him.

The last figure I read up, was that every member in the raid needed to push out 1777 dps, and that means your strongest DPS members, need to piggy back the other guys like healers through to make that total dps figures.

I dont think its possible to down Brutalis with 20 members... those guys were nuking like crazy and still couldnt make the enrage timer. Its quite normal to only kill him around 5 seconds into the enrage period for guilds just starting on him with only tier 6 gear. Of course once people are in full sunwell gear, then yes, it would be possible, with maybe one or two less dps'ers. He does however have a BIG weakness if your raid members stack up heavy on the ignore armour stats,
he takes a lot more damage. Hence I have been farming my gear specifically for that fight.

Hopefully tonight we down kalecgos so that we can start on Brutalis. Best attempt was around 13 % HP.
 
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Nah, you just need about 1,160 dps per raid member, you need about 29,000 dps for the raid so if you've got guys averaging roughly 2,000 dps then you'd need 14 dps and if you average 2,000 dps on trash then your dps on a gear check boss is about 60% more for casters.
 
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Hmmm doesnt sound right...

Assuming I am understanding everything correctly that you posted... you are saying your average brutallus raid force will consist of 14 dps'ers. (EJ recommends 15 from what I have been reading)

Lets work on that figure. In order to achieve the 29K dps mark, your 14 dps'ers need to push out +/- 2071 dps per member. Now the most WWS stats I have seen, you never have that many dps'ers reaching 2k dps on one given fight. Sure there are a few guys doing 2100 + but 14 DPS'ers making that figure...some of the "weaker" dps classes only manage to hang around the 1600 / 1700 / 1800 dps mark... I remain sceptical. Most brutallus fights or any given boss for that matter, you have 2 or 3 guys pushing the 2200 barrier or exceeding it on WWS stats.

Ok there are other small factors like your healers / tanks etc can dish out a bit of damage inbetween spam heals / tanking sessions, but I dont think its enough to negate the 2070 dps figure average for 14 dps'ers. Yes there are other given factors which makes it very hard to calculate sustained dps like eg. bloodlust from shaman boosting peak DPS for a few sec's.

And to think its possible to do Brutallus with say a 20 man raid.... Heheh I dunno man. You are gonna need one hell of a raid force to pull that off. :)

But then again... look at how hard Gruul was in the beginning, nowdays I heard he was 8 manned ...

Who knows, perhaps it will be the same with Brutallus....
 
Belefor said:
with random epics if you get first chest is good job,
with tier 4 you can get MAX 3 events done,
with tier 5 you can easy get all of chests.
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by random epic, u mean new badge gear?

to have enough dps, you need 4/8 t6, otherwise you wont cope with the timers...

i've seen a vid of full 5/5 t6 geared raid get to the finally chest with 3 min left on the timer... chain pulling everything
 
Belefor said:
By random epics i mean all BOE epics that we can use and crafted items.
You no need full t6 geared raid for geting 4 chests - you need exactly classes in this raid. I did full chest event 3 times before. We roll at the end for bear mount ...so far no luck for me but 3 of our members have bears atm.
ALSO there are 2-3 places that you can skip 2-3 groups of mobs so if there are no wipes or big mistakes 4 chests are fully posible by t5 geared ppl. And you not loot any boss or chest before you finish whole time event - they dont disapear.
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Interesting,

What the time left on the clock after downing the 4th boss?
 
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Optioncarduser said:
by random epic, u mean new badge gear?

to have enough dps, you need 4/8 t6, otherwise you wont cope with the timers...

i've seen a vid of full 5/5 t6 geared raid get to the finally chest with 3 min left on the timer... chain pulling everything
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Actually you don't need that kind of gear level. I have mates with 2/8 T6 who have now farmed at least 3 Bear Mounts.
 
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