Zuma Breached the Constitution: COPE

[Albereth]

Being a member of the UN we are bound by UN protocols when it comes to international relations/obligations/agreements.
Otherwise we need to resign from the UN and do whatever the fsk we want

Actually defence pacts are done in terms of the Vienna Convention but the principle is the same.

No matter how much Jstrike wants to think that the constitution gives carte blanche to anyone and that we get to decide definitions on a whim, the wording is actually painfully clear. Yet he and the shower chap think that terms such as 'international obligations' mean something other than what is meant in terms of international law.

If it was meant to be some arbitrary term it would have just said obligations.

And then we'd have a debate about who can enter into obligations. And how that process works.

The sad news for the chump at the top and his fanboy is that he doesn't have SA as his private play thing. He just seems to get away with crap because the ANC prefers to not notice.

 

[Albereth]

Almost.
What it means, is that without parliamentary approval, The Republic is not legally bound.
Which is not the same as saying that everything needs to be ratified.
Very, very few of our interactions with the rest of the world has been ratified. Simply because of the immensity of the action

On the contrary, an awful lot of our interactions with the rest of the world is done based upon some treaty or similar. It is always the shady crap that isn't.

 

[Albereth]

That is not how it works.
While the SA Constitution takes into effect international obligations, it's definitions are not subject to external review.

Why are you struggling with this?
If SA and Zimbabwe sign a mutual defence pact, we don't need UN approval for it.
Some of SA's international obligations are defined by the UN, etc, most however are not.
The UN is itself an international obligation we have signed. It is not the only one...

Who needs an external review of a definition? Is this another logic failure?

 

[JStrike]

Wow, you really still think you know better than the experts?
About as stubborn as it gets

 

[JStrike]

On the contrary, an awful lot of our interactions with the rest of the world is done based upon some treaty or similar. It is always the shady crap that isn't.

Once again no. South Africa has ratified very few international agreements.

 

[Albereth]

Once again no. South Africa has ratified very few international agreements.

Is too.