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Zuma found "Not guilty"!
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Zuma was found not-guilty. Whether he was indeed innocent or not is now a matter of speculation (as it always was). Zuma is not a rapist, as difficult as that may be to accept. I wil say this, once again (as in the Laundry murders), we do have a situation where massive flaws in the investigative process are being highlighted time and again. The State appears to be going to court with immensely weak cases. These two cases (including the laundry case) both had major portions of the prosecution team's evidence thrown out or ruled as inadmissable. As the Judge also correctly pointed out in this case, one where all the evidence is circumstantial, it is always going to be difficult to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The Judge was excellent in his analysis, and in the end delivery of his verdict.craigsa said:
I agree that Zuma is a morally flawed human being, and that his beliefs do not depict the basic characteristics one would expect from a leader, particularly a leader expected to lead South Africa (Africa's powerhouse) into the next decade. He appears to be convinced about a vendetta conspiring to "end" him.
In as far as his corruption trial is concerned, I expect that trial to be adjourned until final word about Shaik's appeal is released. If Shaik's appeal is successful, then Zuma's legal team will move aggressively towards dismissal, and almost certainly will achieve this, as the charges were pressed after revelations from the Initial Shaik trial. I sincerely hope that this time round, the State will actually do some proper investigation, and ensure that all evidence presented to the court is actually admissable. Failing that, we indeed have a problem in the Justice system in this country, but the problem does not lie with the Judge.
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ettubrute
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Agree with you there kingmonty!
Your sentence makes no sense: if he is "innocent or not" - then it is as likely he was guilty of rape - just not found so in terms of the evidence presented. So - yes - can say he is a rapist - even if found not guilty of rape. You can't say "Zuma is not a rapist" - only "Zuma was not found guilty of rape" - big difference.
Yes, he was acquitted of the charge and may not be legally called a rapist. Some people, as we have found on this very forum, will persist in their belief that he is indeed a rapist. But legally, he may not be called a rapist. The point I was stressing is that he was found innocent of the charge ("based on the evidence" is obviously not required as this goes without saying?), and as such, may not be labelled or called a rapist. Zuma is not a rapist - in full terms of the law in South Africa, this is completely corrrect. In any event, Judge Willem van der Merwe's findings were that consensual sex took place. This implies there was no rape, which means: "Zuma is not a rapist".kilo39 said:
You're right kingmonty - he may not legally be called a rapist. And, yes a person can have a personal opinion. Whether he was or wasn't (I really don't know) - the whole thing was the worst of worst sordid stories. He has zero credibility any which way - but - it all makes no difference - we are just along for the ride.
... and yup - country is a farce - was it ever any different.
Darth Garth
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pupa said:
John Prescott ... the married Deputy Premier of the UK recently admitted to having an affair with his diary secretary ... she even told juicy tales to the Sun tabloid of her getting pomped in his office during lunch.
He has not resigned or been fired yet
.But Clinton was nearly impeached for putting a cigar in his intern's ... errr.. holiest of holies....tibby.dude said:John Prescott ... the married Deputy Premier of the UK recently admitted to having an affair with his diary secretary ... she even told juicy tales to the Sun tabloid of her getting pomped in his office during lunch.
He has not resigned or been fired yet
Highflyer_GP
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My question is where are all the big mouth Zuma supporters who had a lot to say about a white judge being appointed after the Shaik trial ended? Now that judge Willem vd Merwe ruled not-guilty, do they still think that the judiciary is racially motivated? I for one would like them to issue a public apology as their comments were rather insulting.
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Darth Garth
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kingmonty said:
Married people cheat and fool around ... a sad fact of life.
The question is whether said conduct affected his leadership and obviously the American public did not agree with the view that his opponents obviously held ... his approval ratings when he left office was highest for any president since Ronald Reagan.
kilps
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V. good point, prehaps from now on Judges names are changed and they sit inside a little box were no-one else can see them so no-one knows their race ... that way there can be no more issuesHighflyer_GP said:
mac_mac74
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kingmonty said:
as i mentioned earlier, what if we applied a "guilty until proven innocent" principle - i would love to see the outcome, lets just say he should say thanks to the investigators for botching up the case.
bekdik
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I think he was guilty of a substandard prosecutor ...
RichardP
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I think only 20 people like zuma, but the court found him "Not-Guilty" ... the *DID NOT* say 'innocent'. Put yourself in his shoes, yes he slept with someone his junior - so? Charlie Chaplan fathered a kid when he was over 70years old .. is he a rapist? Opinions are are arseholes - everyone has one. The judge was totally correct in the not-guilty ruling... How many Raped women will stay in the place after the rape, go back to sleep, wake up in the morning, rummage through the fridge for eats and then leave to go to work? .. is that the mark of a raped woman? Get Real! she was a Gold-Digger!
feo
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This morning one of the ANC people said on 702 that Zuma's political future was still intact...if he becomes president I'm leaving this country!
mac_mac74
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You may as well start packing dude, chances are the exchange rate will shoot through the roof when he becomes president, save yourself the hassle of getting less foreign currency for the rand.
