Zuma supports 'shoot to kill'

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Durban - Deputy Safety and Security Minister Susan Shabangu's controversial "shoot to kill" comment received African National Congress president Jacob Zuma's backing on Friday.

Speaking at the KZN Institute of Local Government and Traditional Leadership Fundraising gala dinner on Friday night, Zuma said: "If you have a deputy minister saying the kind of things that the deputy minister was saying, this is what we need to happen."

Zuma pointed out that police had at one stage been "asked not to shoot at criminals".

'Criminals shoot police'

"Because the fact of the matter, criminals shoot police. Instead of talking at that level we ought to be seeing action that we are tougher on the criminals. That's the point I'm making."

"What the deputy minister was saying is what we are to be doing is dealing with the criminals rather than talking about it."

Shabangu, who was speaking at an anti-crime imbizo in Pretoria West, was quoted by the Pretoria News as saying: ""You must kill the bastards if they threaten you or the community. You must not worry about the regulations. That is my responsibility. Your responsibility is to serve and protect."

While her comments have sparked outrage among some and received the backing of other, the issue of crime as been raised repeatedly at several functions attended by the ANC president in Durban and Richards Bay during the past two days.

"You know, if you haven't experienced crime, you can theorise about it, but for those that have experienced it, it is a painful thing."

Horrendous crime stories

Zuma said he had visited the Cape Flats and had heard of several horrendous crime stories. He added that many of those who felt strongly about crime had been victims themselves.

Addressing the media, he said: "I'm hoping that when you write don't sensationalise what I said. Use the words that say exactly what I say. I just hope the clarity is as clear as I put it."

Earlier on Friday Zuma said that the issue of bail for those accused of rape and murder needed to be debated.

"I don't think we have debated the issue.

"Let us do something that favours the victim and not the criminal."

Asked if he was personally in favour of rape and murder accused being denied bail, Zuma said: "I'm not saying its my personal view. I want to say that these things need to be looked at."

Zuma cited a number of examples where members of the public had questioned him about criminals being released on bail.

Human rights 'over-stretched'

"I have not been able to give them answers. We over-stretch human rights sometimes," he said.

He pointed out that once a murder had taken place a person's right to life had already been infringed.

"We need to look at the things we do that don't favour the victim."

He also said it was an "open secret" that murderers released on bail often interfered with witnesses.

Education can combat crime

Zuma said he believed that education could play a major role in combating crime.

At the dinner, Zuma said that if the country could tackle crime, health and education many of its problems would be resolved.

He suggested that remuneration in these three sectors needed to be addressed.

"I don't think we should be afraid to pay for those services," he said.
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http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2304593,00.html

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He went to the Cape Flats? Brave man. How many body guards did he take?
 
re "Do you realy think cops will be going out and starting to shoot people. it is all politics."

I'm sure people were saying almost exactly the same thing, in Germany, back in around
1935 :P
 
LoneGunman said:
re "Do you realy think cops will be going out and starting to shoot people. it is all politics."

I'm sure people were saying almost exactly the same thing, in Germany, back in around
1935 :P
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I think you'll find that the SA was not that murderous, then the Hitler approved SS took over and the deportations and killings became entrenched in law. It wasn't an issue of giving the SS/Gestapo vague orders about shooting those who threaten them. It was a systematic deportation/mass arrest type thing going on which only had one purpose, to cleanse the German--and later other societies, of undersirables, ie political opponents
and scapgoats.
 
Despite the fact that I don't like comrade JZ, I must say he knows how to sell himself, honest or not...
 
You mean by agreeing with all the voters and then changing his mind after he's elected? Standard practice for everyone who wants to be prez o dent
 
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