#ZumaMustFall marches planned for 4 different dates

As a white guy, I've been out of South Africa for a couple of months. And it's such a relief. South Africa has so much anger and race issues and sheety attitudes, so many people holding a grudge and blaming one or more races for whatever.

I've been living in other 3rd world multi-cultural and racial countries, where there happen to be very few white people. There's also a lot of corruption in some of them and things are also pretty f'd up in some other countries also, some more and some less than SA. But without all the heavy aggro vibes. Without walking around and having non-white people looking at me like I'm responsible for their sheet life. Their sheet life is because it's sheety living in their mind with their sheety perspective. "You shall find what you seek." Most of the people with those sheety attitudes have never been to other countries with differing races, demographics, cultures and economics, which would bust their racist beliefs. By the time apartheid ended I didn't even know what apartheid was. My best friend was black growing up in the 80s, I had no clue about apartheid. I'm not making any statements about apartheid, just about myself. The colour of my skin has effall to do with my actions, attitudes and my interaction with apartheid. It's like giving all Germans a hard time for the holocaust. I've had family that were killed by anti-semitism also, so I'm not a hypocrite saying people should move on with life, and give every person the benefit of any doubt and treat them as well as they would like to be treated.

The whole anti white thing is not going to stop by itself. Not if hypothetically Zuma is removed, not if DA gets voted into power and creates a thriving place to live. There will always be those South African attitudes: "Poor dumb f me. You're responsible for my sheet. Give me more sheet. I didn't get enough sheet. I'm self rightuous blah blah blah. I want to work less and be given more sheet."

I think the only way the anti white thing will stop is if ALL the white people leave. So those people with the dodgy attitudes can look around and not see any white people anywhere, and then maybe, just maybe a light bulb will come in inside their head. "Hey, I'm responsible for my own success in life!" What an effing revelation!

I think people make a place, and there are places with much less heavy vibes. Peace my dear gentle South Africans.
I may be back, but I'd rather not be... for a long time.

I'd probably march too if I was there. But you're just going to have a bunch of black haters thinking you're racist white people. Hopefully there will be a balanced mixture of races. The fact that I even have to say that is a huge problem. When someone can't see past the colour of your skin, you're wasting your energy trying to talk to them. Give them a hug.

Maybe instead of political marches there should be love marches. Hug somebody who's a different race to you. Instead of leaving, make SA into a family. It's the only other option that makes sense to me.
 
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As a white guy, I've been out of South Africa for a couple of months. And it's such a relief. South Africa has so much anger and race issues and sheety attitudes, so many people holding a grudge and blaming one or more races for whatever.

I've been living in other 3rd world multi-cultural and racial countries, where there happen to be very few white people. There's also a lot of corruption in some of them and things are also pretty f'd up in some other countries also, some more and some less than SA. But without all the heavy aggro vibes. Without walking around and having non-white people looking at me like I'm responsible for their sheet life. Their sheet life is because it's sheety living in their mind with their sheety perspective. "You shall find what you seek." Most of the people with those sheety attitudes have never been to other countries with differing races, demographics, cultures and economics, which would bust their racist beliefs. By the time apartheid ended I didn't even know what apartheid was. My best friend was black growing up in the 80s, I had no clue about apartheid. I'm not making any statements about apartheid, just about myself. The colour of my skin has effall to do with my actions, attitudes and my interaction with apartheid. It's like giving all Germans a hard time for the holocaust. I've had family that were killed by anti-semitism also, so I'm not a hypocrite saying people should move on with life, and give every person the benefit of any doubt and treat them as well as they would like to be treated.

The whole anti white thing is not going to stop by itself. Not if hypothetically Zuma is removed, not if DA gets voted into power and creates a thriving place to live. There will always be those South African attitudes: "Poor dumb f me. You're responsible for my sheet. Give me more sheet. I didn't get enough sheet. I'm self rightuous blah blah blah. I want to work less and be given more sheet."

I think the only way the anti white thing will stop is if ALL the white people leave. So those people with the dodgy attitudes can look around and not see any white people anywhere, and then maybe, just maybe a light bulb will come in inside their head. "Hey, I'm responsible for my own success in life!" What an effing revelation!

I think people make a place, and there are places with much less heavy vibes. Peace my dear gentle South Africans.
I may be back, but I'd rather not be... for a long time.

I'd probably march too if I was there. But you're just going to have a bunch of black haters thinking you're racist white people. Hopefully there will be a balanced mixture of races. The fact that I even have to say that is a huge problem. When someone can't see past the colour of your skin, you're wasting your energy trying to talk to them. Give them a hug.

Maybe instead of political marches there should be love marches. Hug somebody who's a different race to you. Instead of leaving, make SA into a family. It's the only other option that makes sense to me.

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Thats a rather racist-narrow-minded view you have there. No, black people do not need to attend the marches. South African citizens need to show support in numbers. White, black, Indian, everyone! Also, if you complain and don't do anything to help improve the situation, then you really do have no right to complain, it's as simple as that.

No it' not. It's 100% accurate and I don't like marching around chanting slogans and trashing the environment. Does that mean I'm not entitled to complain? Get a grip.
 
A very narrow-minded and short-sighted view, shared by many in SA. As a citizen, tax-payer and resident of this country it should be your civil duty to speak out and demonstrate against decisions made by the government which ultimately destroy the country. Many governments have fallen due to similar actions and believe me, I rather participate in a march/protest action on 16th December and can honestly say "At least I tried". The majority of the keyboard warriors here will however be doing nothing and then complain about taxes, e-toll, Eskom etc.

The reason why people continue to vote for the ANC is because no other party has done anything tangible. I would have thought that many actions done by Zuma would have been a case for the constitutional court (same should have also applied to Mbheki and the thousands of people he "killed" due to his HIV denialism) - and yet parties such as the DA seem to use events like the Nene-axing as nothing more than electioneering. There is no point of debating that in parliament, drag his corrupt a*** in front of the concourt and there are many valid reasons why/how he flouted the constitution.

I'm so glad that my black friends are now fired up, at least I know they won't sit on the couch bitching... They are already gearing up for the marches on the 16th...
 
No it' not. It's 100% accurate and I don't like marching around chanting slogans and trashing the environment. Does that mean I'm not entitled to complain? Get a grip.

Since you either A) have a chip on your shoulder or B) Failed at English; let me highlight exactly what I said:

...if you complain and don't do anything to help improve the situation, then you really do have no right to complain, it's as simple as that.

Where do I, A) advocate vandalism and B) state you must march for change in the above quotation?

I did neither, just incase you're unclear.

Improving the situation is not limited to marching; you can also take your frustrations out on the ruling party with your vote at next years municipal elections and the general elections in 2019. It seems it's you who needs to get a grp. ;)
 
Does anyone have recommendations for parking in the PTA CBD or should I rather go with the Gautrain/Uber route?
 
Only looking at this now, but PE has 2 marches tomorrow, only 2 hours apart, very close to each other. Govan Mbeki Avenue and the Donkin Reserve are not far apart. That seems silly to me.
 
Only looking at this now, but PE has 2 marches tomorrow, only 2 hours apart, very close to each other. Govan Mbeki Avenue and the Donkin Reserve are not far apart. That seems silly to me.

i don't think planning is the order of the day for everything going on tomorrow.
 
I'm not going, I have to do maintenance on my electric fence. But I'll post about it on Facebook.
 
Some good news…………

Yesterday a security guard at Edgars AND a petrol jockey both told me, without any prompting, that Zoomer is a fool and they won't vote for him or the ANC again.
 
Idiots could have prevented all these marches from happening, and come off looking like the good guys, if they just recalled him today during that BS press conference...
 
If you won't join the march then stop complaining. If you have issues with Zuma, do something about it.

So how well did that march work out?
The ANC have labelled it as racist and nothing will come of it.
Was it really worth the effort?
What did it achieve?

Unfortunately the ANC will only take notice when people start sending death threats and petrol bombing ANC MP residences.
That's just the way it is - if you want rapid change you need to speak a language they understand.

I stand by my statement that it's the black people of this country that need to force change. The white people must not do it otherwise we'll just polarize black vs white even more.
 
So how well did that march work out?
The ANC have labelled it as racist and nothing will come of it.
Was it really worth the effort?
What did it achieve?

Unfortunately the ANC will only take notice when people start sending death threats and petrol bombing ANC MP residences.
That's just the way it is - if you want rapid change you need to speak a language they understand.

I stand by my statement that it's the black people of this country that need to force change. The white people must not do it otherwise we'll just polarize black vs white even more.

We went to the Jozi one yesterday and I was surprised about tweets about low turn-out and the racist Twitter sentiment (I think one should always ignore the Twitter/Facebook trolls) against people being there. I think most have not understood that this was not about race, but about taking a stand against a president and parliament unfit to serve their country. With the exception of Vavi there was not much electioneering and the sentiment across all people was the same: everyone had enough of paying insane amount of taxes & lifestyle costs while watching on as the government destroys not just every parastatal, but also the economy as a whole.

I do think the turn-out was certainly over a thousand people in Jozi (some people said it was 10000 but I think it would be certainly not more than 3000 - always difficult to estimate). What made the turn-out more interesting is that this was on a public holiday and yet people still turned out (in contrast: have you ever seen union members protest on weekends/public holidays?). I would guess that the protest in January will get more people to those events.

As a perm resident (and having been in the country for more than 20 years) events like this are the only way I can make my voice heard - even if it just means standing on a bridge for a few hours. Instead of sleeping in on a holiday, I can at least say that I was there. If it is going to make a difference is not really important.

I disagree with the sentiment that it was a "white-only event". It was very evident that this was a middle-class event: If you look around your corporate office, those were the people who attended yesterday: the tax-payers who keep this country afloat.

I suggest if you missed yesterday, attend the next event.
 
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