Cell-C UMTS 2100

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The Cell C tower I normally connect to is called Site 4041 by Cell C (Diep River, Cape Town). My understanding is that a cell tower site has 3 antennae pointing in 3 different directions, and for my situation these are called 40411, 40412 and 40413 respectively (Cell ID in MDMA).

I normally connect to Cell ID 40411, and I've noticed that the tower gets quite congested in the evenings (i.e. slower speeds than other times of the day). But just recently I've noticed something else. Sometimes I find my modem connected to Cell ID 40416. What does this mean? My antenna is highly directional and points directly at Site 4041. When this happens (connected to 40416), I get lower signal strength, but speeds are significantly faster, even during congested periods.

Is it possible that the tower at Site 4041 is also transmitting on 2100 MHz (with Cell ID 40416)? Is there a way to tell if you are connected 900 Mhz or 2100 MHz?
 
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Is it possible that the tower at Site 4041 is also transmitting on 2100 MHz (with Cell ID 40416)?
Quite possible, my wife picked up 3G in Newlands about two weeks ago with her Cell-C SIM in an iPhone 3G which only does UMTS 2100.
Is there a way to tell if you are connected 900 Mhz or 2100 MHz?
Try using an older modem, like a Huawei E220, which is known not to do UMTS 900.
 
Cell-C 900 / 2100

Cell-C 2100mhz is available in Durban Central.

I tested a 3G handset that only supports 3G at 2100mhz and it picks up Cell-C 3G so yeah it must be possible that in the high Traffic/Volume areas there are a few 2100mhz towers thrown in to assist the Data Load.

There will be lots more of these Towers in place by next Year January when the country has complete blanket coverage of HSDPA 900mhz. They did say that after the 900mhz roll-out theres going to be a massive roll-out of 2100mhz in their heavy traffic areas.
Maybe they putting it in place now to retain the user experience.


DXL - Team
 
Forcing K4505Z modem to 2100

Does anyone know if the modem can be forced to a specific band (i.e. 2100) using an AT command, and can that change be embedded in the modem, even if removed from the PC? I'm thinking of a semi-permanent change in the same way that you can specify a particular SP by using dashboard software?

Reason I ask is because I want to use 2100 rather than 900, and then plug the modem into the router rather than the PC (which is why I don't want it to go back to default while moving it).

Unfortunately I can't find a way to send commands through the router to the modem (and anyway I don't know what those commands would be!).

Thanks
 
Does anyone know if the modem can be forced to a specific band (i.e. 2100) using an AT command, and can that change be embedded in the modem, even if removed from the PC? I'm thinking of a semi-permanent change in the same way that you can specify a particular SP by using dashboard software?
This is definitely possible with the Huawei modems, not sure about the ZTE.

Have a look at the AT+ZBANDI command here:
http://3g-modem.wetpaint.com/page/ZTE+AT-commands

Hopefully that setting doesn't get lost when you unplug the modem.
 
CellC UMTS 2100MHz queries

It seems that CellC realised that 900MHz network capacity in such areas as Johannesburg is not sufficient and situation cannot be improved by 42Mbps roll-out, because demand for bandwith grows faster. It is why we see that CellC decided for the more expensive option and began installing 2100MHz transmitters. But why a hell they start in not so dense developed areas?

I must confess I never switched to CellC due to their attitude of offering more and more instead of fixing existing issues first. I don't use Internet much, so I use VC 100MB ISP (which is not enough for browsing MyBB, BTW). Hovewer I used CellC network through Virgin, it was fine, but in June last year I was kicked out by CellC 3G roll-out, which made my EDGE connection 10 times slower and unworkable. So I didn't switch, but my neighbour did (by my recommendation)....

I was helping him on many occassions and I must say his connection was acceptable only few weeks in November and the first decade of December. We are on the farm near Diepsloot, almost on the top of the hill, the slope facing south between Dainfern, Fourways and Kyalami. There is an external antenna (LDPA-A0021), it should be theoretically choice between various towers, but for some reason it picks-up one tower with strong signal between -61dBm and -69dBm, 2G LAC/CellID 104/41614 or 41356 and holds it even the antenna is moved away 150 degrees. It reports odd as "MTN KYALAMI COUNTRY CLUB ESTATE MTN-4". :-)

With the external antenna we could rarely register to 3G in the past. Using the internal antenna K3565 picks-up more stations including 3G. In the case the registration is successful there are problems with attaching to the network (dialing) and stability of the connection. Few weeks ago it was in reverse; it couldn't register to 2G, but 3G worked fine. Few days ago it failed attach to 3G, but registered fine. In result of such frequent changes I am being called for help, as default automatic setting rarely works. 4 days ago I saw my neighbour hanging on the support call, the first time since purchasing promo. During the call the modem suddenly attached to the very weak 3G station (-105dBm) using nternal antenna, connection was stable and speed was similar to usual 3G signal (in -89dBm boundaries). The call was escalated to the tech department with a reference number, but so far but nobody called back.

I found that when chosing Mobile Partner option "GSM900/GSM1800/WCDMA2100" instead of "All band" and doing search in manual mode, modem shows a new item WCDMA CellC, but it fails to register. So there is a new 2100MHz 3G trasmitter in the area, which possibly confuses modem that it stops searching for 3G in 900MHz band. To verify this I selected option WCDMA900 and made a manual search. It was able to register and connect for few hours and then it eventually stopped, but it was too late night to investigate a reason. Modem was using internal antenna. Yesterday the same procedure didn't work neither in "WCDMA2100 nor "WCDMA900" mode.

How to find out strenght of the signal when if fails to register? There is a program MWCONN which can be used for signal strenght determination of foreign networks. With external antenna attached It shows 60% for CellC 3G - very strong (-75dBm), but sometimes 30% (-93dBm). We don't know in which band, because MWCONN will reset modem settings to "All Band". However there is a spare modem E160G with external antenna connector laying around, it is WCDMA2100 capable, but not WCDMA900. It shows 3G signal 26%, so it looks like 60% is for 900MHz.

Be careful when using MWCONN. Firstly results are not always valid. When modem hangs on accessing network, program will display the same (repeated) signal strenght for remaining networks. Secondly it will always leave modem locked in manual search mode on the last network accessed - and it is _not_ a home network, I promise. ;)

Bottom of line is that in the past we had to fiddle with "WCDMA only/GSM only" settings to stay connected, now we need to force particular band setting too. It gets too complicated to enjoy benefits of CellC offer.
 
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Ginggs' excellent and free (South African!) app MDMA is a very clean and simple way to determine signal strength, 'force' modems into various modes (GPRS, 3G etc.) and even send and receive USSD messages to check balances etc. You can also do away with a proprietary 'dashboard' entirely by using it. You may find it a lot friendlier than MWCONN.
 
Hi, :)

1. I use Ginggs MDMA every day because is compact, small and clean as u said.
2. MDMA cannot do things like forcing modem to use particular frequencies, signal strenght of foreign networks, etc. But I wrote it in my post, u didn't read it.
3. I don't use proprietrary dashboards, but generic Mobile Partner as it is said in my post.
4. I don't use MWCONN for anything else than signal determination.

Hope it helps. :)
 
I don't want ti hijack this thread, but something has changed.
Yesterday quick checking: Signal UMTS2100 and UMTS900, manual registration failed to both. However EDGE runs at maximum speed, so I don't need to borrow him my VC ISP (his one mail check takes 1/5 my month allowance). CellC also replied to my PM, forwarding details.
 
Quite possible, my wife picked up 3G in Newlands about two weeks ago with her Cell-C SIM in an iPhone 3G which only does UMTS 2100.

Try using an older modem, like a Huawei E220, which is known not to do UMTS 900.
How do you get Cell C on 3g on a e220? When I search the networks I get Cell C 3g but it dont want to log in. Sometimes it goes from its own somehow to 3g but then suddenly disconnects. My reception is very good as I get 3g RECEPTION BETTER than gprs/edge and the nokia has no problem picking up 3g

It seems that CellC realised that 900MHz network capacity in such areas as Johannesburg is not sufficient and situation cannot be improved by 42Mbps roll-out, because demand for bandwith grows faster. It is why we see that CellC decided for the more expensive option and began installing 2100MHz transmitters. But why a hell they start in not so dense developed areas?

I must confess I never switched to CellC due to their attitude of offering more and more instead of fixing existing issues first. I don't use Internet much, so I use VC 100MB ISP (which is not enough for browsing MyBB, BTW). Hovewer I used CellC network through Virgin, it was fine, but in June last year I was kicked out by CellC 3G roll-out, which made my EDGE connection 10 times slower and unworkable. So I didn't switch, but my neighbour did (by my recommendation)....

I was helping him on many occassions and I must say his connection was acceptable only few weeks in November and the first decade of December. We are on the farm near Diepsloot, almost on the top of the hill, the slope facing south between Dainfern, Fourways and Kyalami. There is an external antenna (LDPA-A0021), it should be theoretically choice between various towers, but for some reason it picks-up one tower with strong signal between -61dBm and -69dBm, 2G LAC/CellID 104/41614 or 41356 and holds it even the antenna is moved away 150 degrees. It reports odd as "MTN KYALAMI COUNTRY CLUB ESTATE MTN-4". :-)

With the external antenna we could rarely register to 3G in the past. Using the internal antenna K3565 picks-up more stations including 3G. In the case the registration is successful there are problems with attaching to the network (dialing) and stability of the connection. Few weeks ago it was in reverse; it couldn't register to 2G, but 3G worked fine. Few days ago it failed attach to 3G, but registered fine. In result of such frequent changes I am being called for help, as default automatic setting rarely works. 4 days ago I saw my neighbour hanging on the support call, the first time since purchasing promo. During the call the modem suddenly attached to the very weak 3G station (-105dBm) using nternal antenna, connection was stable and speed was similar to usual 3G signal (in -89dBm boundaries). The call was escalated to the tech department with a reference number, but so far but nobody called back.

I found that when chosing Mobile Partner option "GSM900/GSM1800/WCDMA2100" instead of "All band" and doing search in manual mode, modem shows a new item WCDMA CellC, but it fails to register. So there is a new 2100MHz 3G trasmitter in the area, which possibly confuses modem that it stops searching for 3G in 900MHz band. To verify this I selected option WCDMA900 and made a manual search. It was able to register and connect for few hours and then it eventually stopped, but it was too late night to investigate a reason. Modem was using internal antenna. Yesterday the same procedure didn't work neither in "WCDMA2100 nor "WCDMA900" mode.

How to find out strenght of the signal when if fails to register? There is a program MWCONN which can be used for signal strenght determination of foreign networks. With external antenna attached It shows 60% for CellC 3G - very strong (-75dBm), but sometimes 30% (-93dBm). We don't know in which band, because MWCONN will reset modem settings to "All Band". However there is a spare modem E160G with external antenna connector laying around, it is WCDMA2100 capable, but not WCDMA900. It shows 3G signal 26%, so it looks like 60% is for 900MHz.

Be careful when using MWCONN. Firstly results are not always valid. When modem hangs on accessing network, program will display the same (repeated) signal strenght for remaining networks. Secondly it will always leave modem locked in manual search mode on the last network accessed - and it is _not_ a home network, I promise. ;)

Bottom of line is that in the past we had to fiddle with "WCDMA only/GSM only" settings to stay connected, now we need to force particular band setting too. It gets too complicated to enjoy benefits of CellC offer.
Ive got the exact problem
 
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You'll only be able to do this in areas where Cell-C have UMTS @ 2100MHz.

I think I manage to find a fix. I set the modem speed from to 921 000 to 460 000 suddenly whoop a nice and shiny blue light of hsdpa. My E272 keep on disconnecting from windows when it goes 3G but 220 working fine
 
I think I manage to find a fix. I set the modem speed from to 921 000 to 460 000 suddenly whoop a nice and shiny blue light of hsdpa.
I don't see any problems with both. There are just virtual port settings, but I can be wrong.

My E272 keep on disconnecting from windows when it goes 3G but 220 working fine
In my experience there is no functional difference in these modems. E272 might have more power requirements, because runs hotter. Do you mean that modem is reseting and Windows is reloading drivers? If so, make sure to use original double (split) USB cable with these modems, or get quality USB hub with external power supply.
 
any idea which areas are all covered witth 2100 spectrum?
 
I don't see any problems with both. There are just virtual port settings, but I can be wrong.


In my experience there is no functional difference in these modems. E272 might have more power requirements, because runs hotter. Do you mean that modem is reseting and Windows is reloading drivers? If so, make sure to use original double (split) USB cable with these modems, or get quality USB hub with external power supply.
I am using the original cable with it and it use to work fine I think its busted. With the E220 it worked fine till this morning on green doesnt want to go back on 3g. Funny enough during the day its a struggle during the night not so much. I can stand in my back yard and hit the Cell C tower with a rock so reception is not a problem. When I search for the networks as well it shows Cell C 3G but doesn't want to log in at all. My nokia phone is the same dual band but it has no problem with Cell C.
 
I don't see any problems with both. There are just virtual port settings, but I can be wrong.
I think you are spot on. In my experience the serial port speed makes no difference to USB serial ports.
 
I can stand in my back yard and hit the Cell C tower with a rock so reception is not a problem. When I search for the networks as well it shows Cell C 3G but doesn't want to log in at all. My nokia phone is the same dual band but it has no problem with Cell C.

Your Nokia phone might be dual band UMTS2100 and UMTS900 but your both modems support only UMTS2100. Also, there is no point as you shouldn't assume that 3G signal comes from this nearby tower. UMTS2100 is in testing, currently in my case two towers don't accept my registration, but the third one does. The one which works is 900MHz.
 
any idea which areas are all covered witth 2100 spectrum?
Just found a great application for Windows and Linux.
http://www.mwconn.com/

You don't need drivers as well. It will pick up the modem with its own set. Works with phones as well

I think you are spot on. In my experience the serial port speed makes no difference to USB serial ports.

Actually its 9200 bits the modem will try first. Then it will lower the buffer till it gets the correct one that will be 7.2 you normally see when its connected and got a HSPDA signal. 3G it will show 460 with edge 265. If you go to device manager and you select properties on it then advance settings it will show the buffers where higher means faster now that where the modem will start then it will automatically lower that buffer till it gets a connection. So if you set it to 920 or 460 it will have a easier time connecting to the network because windows time outs sometimes due to its services thats got a time restriction set on it

About it not logging in but correct me if i'm wrong. When the cell or device powers on, it immediately logs onto the network. First, the device sends a message to the Mobile Telephone Switching Office (MTSO). The information sent to the MTSO includes the electronic serial number and telephone number from the handset. Those two pieces of information combined will identify the individual device.
The device set will use an information channel to transmit the information. Several channels are
set aside specifically for the purposes of logon capabilities. Now then there must be something wrong or something not rite with their MTSO stations
 
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Just found a great application for Windows and Linux.
http://www.mwconn.com/

Read my first message in this thread with warning when using this program. Other things too, as you seem to stick to the solutions which are not part of the problem. Seriously...

First, the device sends a message to the Mobile Telephone Switching Office (MTSO).
Fact that 2G or UMTS900 works shows that you already passed MTSO check. My advice is to save your time and get yourself UMTS900 compatible modem when using CellC. It will stay for long. Only heavily congested areas will be covered with UMTS2100.
 
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