'No Public Outcry' about Muslim Murder: Court Hears

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Roedolf Viviers, who is accused of murdering a Muslim man, should be released on bail as there is no legitimate public outcry against his release, the Krugersdorp Magistrate's Court heard on Tuesday.

"An expression of anger by family and friends does not equal a public outcry," said Viviers's lawyer Jack Gerber.

"The alleged incident happened in Magaliesberg, and not in Lenasia, where most family and friends [of the deceased] reside," he said.

People in the public gallery raised their voices in anger at Gerber's statement.

Magistrate Reginald Dama ordered them keep quiet.

"I will charge anyone with contempt of court should there be disturbances in this court.... I am serious about that," he warned.

Viviers is applying for bail.

He and another man, Zayne van Tonder, 33, allegedly insulted Muhammad Fayaaz Kazi and his friend Anser Mahmood at a Chicken Licken outlet in Magaliesburg on August 6, 2012.

An argument and a fight ensued. Kazi was severely beaten and died in hospital.

Charges against Van Tonder were later dropped and he was released.

Gerber said that although there had been public interest since Viviers' first appearance in court last year, there had been no outcry.

He said the court proceedings were attended by only a handful of friends and family.

"With due respect, your Worship, the Muslim religion is not only limited to Lenasia residents," Gerber submitted.

He said Viviers would lose his income should he continue to be incarcerated.

The hearing continues.

Source : Sapa
 
Why should there be a public outcry because he is muslim, does that make him special. Just another murder like all the others in this country. There must be a public outcry for ALL MURDERS in this country.
 
all murders are heinous, but to wail about this because a member of your sect has been killed is over kill. let justice be served and the murderer do his jail time like any other murderer. but i think these people are trying to get some "oscar pistorious time".
 
Why should there be a public outcry because he is muslim, does that make him special. Just another murder like all the others in this country. There must be a public outcry for ALL MURDERS in this country.

Well it was a racist hate crime and not some everyday random crime, hence the envisaged outcry by the victim's race, religion etc

Yip murder is murder, and like every other murderer this guy should rot in jail forever.
 
all murders are heinous, but to wail about this because a member of your sect has been killed is over kill. let justice be served and the murderer do his jail time like any other murderer. but i think these people are trying to get some "oscar pistorious time".

Think you got confused somewhere, the lawyer Jack Gerber. is arguing that is client Roedolf Viviers who is guilty of murder should be set free, because there is no perceived outcry.
 
Alleged Muslim Killer Denied Bail

The Krugersdorp Regional Court denied bail to murder accused Roedolf Viviers on Tuesday.

"The applicant failed dismally to prove to this court that it would be in the interest of justice to release him on bail. Bail is therefore denied," said magistrate Reginald Dama.

Viviers and another man, Zayne van Tonder, 33, allegedly insulted Muhammad Fayaaz Kazi and his friend Anser Mahmood about their beards at a Chicken Licken outlet in Magaliesburg on August 6, 2012.

An argument and a fight ensued. Kazi was severely beaten and died in hospital.

Charges against Van Tonder were later dropped and he was released.

Kazi's brothers Mohammed Nuaman, 22, and Mohammed Farhan, 18, shouted "Praise Allah" when Dama made his ruling.

Kazi's widow Sajidah sobbed and hugged friends and relatives who packed the public gallery.

Viviers, who was wearing glasses, a blue shirt and khaki pants calmly listened to Dama. He looked at his feet when he was led to the police cells.

He will appear in the High Court in Johannesburg on March 4, when a trial date is to be set.


Source : Sapa
 
Think you got confused somewhere, the lawyer Jack Gerber. is arguing that is client Roedolf Viviers who is guilty of murder should be set free, because there is no perceived outcry.

Ye... that was lost in the part that was posted.

If you read the full article it makes more sense. Its a stupid argument though.
 
Think you got confused somewhere, the lawyer Jack Gerber. is arguing that is client Roedolf Viviers who is guilty of murder should be set free, because there is no perceived outcry.



from what i read, the argument is over bail.
 
Kazi's brothers Mohammed Nuaman, 22, and Mohammed Farhan, 18, shouted "Praise Allah" when Dama made his ruling.

Why is he interfering I thought the judiciary was supposed to be independent.
 
Why should there be a public outcry because he is muslim, does that make him special. Just another murder like all the others in this country. There must be a public outcry for ALL MURDERS in this country.

Because it was a racist hate crime. If Kazi was bit more pale, and spoke Afrikaans he could well have been alive today.
 
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