The Syrian Conflict Thread

Staggy i love it when you climb into a debate, look at za1 all he does rofl and lol. you always have an interesting view point which i love.

assad though isn't fighting his own people, majority of the fighters are outside forces and yes some may be syrians but for the most part he is fighting people who don't care about the people of syria, they just want power and an easy access route to iran. I think the western powers thought this would easy, bomb assad and and remove him but russia and china saw what happened in libya and blocked it so assad is actually doing extremely well which i would have expected, plus he has hezhollah fighting with him and iranian forces ready to go in.

I will refer you to my most response to Haldex for my opinion on this.

Glad you also think al queda are dangerous and arming the al nusra would basically be arming al queda, considering the free syrian army soldiers are moving to al nusra it looks like there will be one major force/opposition fighting assad. It scares me to think al queda could get their hands on chemical weapons though, we know without a doubt they kill for fun and wow chemical weapons in the hands of a terror group that would undoubtedly use them.

Glad there are some folks here that can debate properly.

My opinions on this conflict have been affected by the increasing presence of foreign forces with ''other agendas''. A year ago I would have considered direct intervention if the people asked for it, but now, while I still believe that the Syrians are a strong presence in the resistance, the increasing power of ''shady'' organisations has made me think about who I believe should run that ship.

staggy how come turkey who are now threatening to bring the army in to sort out the protestors have avoided any sort of intervention? libya was instant and syria was instant. Yet turkey who are doing the exact same thing, i guess it's the double standard in play again, turkey pro west so it is not an issue.

In fairness to Turkey, that has been boiling for some time and only until recently have they threated to use the army. The police have been dealing with the protestors. It should also be noted that the Turkish army is very similar to that of the Egyptian army - pre-revolution - in that their respective leaderships distance(d) themselves from politics. Saying that, in the past I have readily acknowledged that the likes of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia receive ''pardons'' for being valuable allies in the region. Like the Saudis, Turkey is a powerful bulwark against Iran. The US will tolerate one evil in order to control a perceived greater evil.

Staggy i can't see how the US could possibly arm al nusra now that they have aligned with al queda and the free syrian army are losing members and not capable of fighting like al nusra so do you see the US arming them? I don't see it, i can't see how assad can be toppled without the west getting troops into syria or bombing the shyte out of syria. Can you see a way to topple assad without western intervention(not arming the rebels but proper war as in planes, tanks and group troops).

staggy another question, who would question the US who declared war on terror arming a terror group? Can they really claim to be at war against terror if they arm an al queda based rebel group?

Well, I've also read that Al Nusra may have even executed FSA officers, so I really can't see the US having a solid reason for arming them now. They are associated with a confirmed enemey - Al Qaeda - and they are now guilty of possibly operating against the ''moral'' participants of the revolution.

Assad will remain in power without Western intervention, BUT, his country is doomed if Al Nusra stay. The idiot should have gone the Tunisa/Egypt route and stood down with relative ease. He BSed that Al Qaeda were there from day one. Well, he BSed that they were the primary force, as I wouldn't rule them out completely in the beginning, but it was the people followed by defectors from the army that got the ball rolling. It was his people that wanted him gone. As the situation deteriorated every other group that had an agenda/bone to pick got involved.

Conclusion: Assad should have ducked two years ago as his country is now screwed, whether he wins or is dragged behind a car and strung up.
 
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Syria Troops Shell Damascus District: Watchdog

Syrian troops bombarded the Damascus neighbourhood of Qabun on Friday as they pressed a bid to drive rebels out of the district, a watchdog said.

"Regime troops renewed shelling this morning of the Qabun neighbourhood and fierce clashes were underway between soldiers and rebels on the outskirts of the area," the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

"Regime forces are hitting the area with mortar rounds, tanks and heavy artillery," the group added.

The fighting came on the third day of a regime attempt to clear rebel forces from the neighbourhood in northeastern Damascus, one of several districts on the outskirts of the capital where opposition forces have a foothold.

The clashes killed at least one rebel fighter, and there were reports of deaths among regime troops as well, the Observatory said.

An explosion shook the neighbourhood around midnight (2100 GMT Thursday), the Observatory added, but it was unclear what had caused the blast and there was no word on any casualties or damage.

In the northern city of Aleppo, regime forces shelled districts, including the northern Sheikh Maqsud neighbourhood, and clashes left at least two rebels dead in the central Sulayman al-Halabi district.


Source : Sapa-AFP /pk
Date : 21 Jun 2013 11:01
 
Ok so i have been listening to everyone and actually trying to see their views vs my own and i am not the old killa who just pushes anti america regardless of the situation. Still not a fan of the western powers but there is more than just the west involved.

Could you guys watch this show and give me your thoughts, http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/ syria. Please note it may be rt but crosstalk have views from americans who are pro and anti america(not anti more just truthful) and there are some facts that were really interesting that didn't involve the US. i am by no means trying to push rt.com on anyone you can ignore the rest of the site but just watch the show because i promise it is extremely interesting. Anti west or pro west both will be pleased by this show.

It is by far the most interesting view on syria i have seen thus far. At times it is pretty funny but the presenter does his best to let people have their turn. They talk about more than just the US. I would like to know whether you guys think the show is anti american or seemed to be fairly unbiased. I hope guys like orbital, staggy etc and most of the guys in this thread who seem to show serious interest in the topic tell me if they thought it was rubbish and i just can't see how anti american it is. I know rt is anti american but crosstalk seems balanced and i am not pushing rt.com, just one show with views from different aspects much like this thread.

Orbital please recognize i am trying to be a better debater so i hope you can see it and enlighten me more than lol at me. Like you did with Bangladesh you enlightened me or showed me something i never knew in a nice way, the old killa deserved to be tuned but you didn't seem to take the opportunity so i am hopefully we can have awesome debates now :D. I can't change my actions previously but i can try make my future posts come across more like an opinion and not a fact :p

I'll have a look when I have time. Syria is pretty much a fsckup, though. That's what it boils down to.

Work on your run-on sentences and rambling style, though. Your willingness to debate in a different manner is admirable, and this will also help. :p
 
Syria Rebels say they have new weapons

Syrian rebels have recently received new weapons that could "change the course of the battle" against the Syrian regime, a spokesman for the Free Syrian Army told AFP on Friday.

"We've received quantities of new types of weapons, including some that we asked for and that we believe will change the course of the battle on the ground," FSA political and media coordinator Louay Muqdad said.


Source : Sapa-AFP /mjs
Date : 21 Jun 2013 13:02
 
I'll have a look when I have time. Syria is pretty much a fsckup, though. That's what it boils down to.

Work on your run-on sentences and rambling style, though. Your willingness to debate in a different manner is admirable, and this will also help. :p

Yea i tend to ramble that is why i am double posting at times, to avoid long posts. I am working on it but refining my new way will take sometime but any advice is welcomed and appreciated.
 
Syrian rebels have recently received new weapons that could "change the course of the battle" against the Syrian regime, a spokesman for the Free Syrian Army told AFP on Friday.

"We've received quantities of new types of weapons, including some that we asked for and that we believe will change the course of the battle on the ground," FSA political and media coordinator Louay Muqdad said.


Source : Sapa-AFP /mjs
Date : 21 Jun 2013 13:02

Arming the free syrian army is pointless. Al nusra are better fighters and have some serious fire power. Free syrian army are basically a front, well the spokesman is the front. They have no control over their people/fighters who are defecting to join al nusra. I doubt the rebels will want peace talks, with alqueda and al nusra being the biggest baddest force i somehow doubt the free syrian army can influence them.

Staggy you are 100% and that is what they mention on crosstalk two years down the line is late. Assad has not killed 40000 of his own people the rebels have done that. There is one thing i feel needs to happens, hezbollah need to ensure lebanon are not sucked in which they are, iran need to ensure assad does not fall by sending troops and whatever is needed to help and israel need to be ready for a radical syria should assad fall which they are.

I tend to think at this point with the biggest opposition being excellent fighters and extremists, aligning with al queda that assad is the one who should be getting western help, drive out alnusra and alqueda then the free syrian army and assad can come to an agreement. Al queda won't want peace, they want chaos and they would absolutely love to rule a country and have a base to launch terror attacks from. Israel are prepared, i think the realization is only hitting home now that a post assad syria could be so much worse. Al queda kill innocents for fun, you should be backing anyone they are fighting.
 
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You need to watch the rt video. I promise you will find out things you never knew much like i did. 40000 of the 93000 killed are Alawites.

Another good crosstalk on syria currently on rt.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/21/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Read that article and notice the part that they know assad has used chemical weapons but they have yet to provide any sort of evidence mean while http://www.military.com/video/opera...a-rebels-caught-with-sarin-gas/2434375691001/

Turkey are not friendly with the assad regime and want him gone so there is no way they would fabricate this to make the rebels look bad but al nusra and al queda linked members were caught with the chemical. So there is evidence the rebels have chemical weapons but i can't find the evidence that has assured the western powers assad used chemical weapons. I guess we just have to believe them while ignoring the scary fact that al nusra have sarin gas.

How is it possible to conclude without a doubt that assad used chemical weapons but offer no evidence and then ignore that al nusra were caught red handed with sarin gas, who knows how many other al nusra rebels have chemical weapons. I would assume if you have sarin gas the chances are you have used it or they were going to use it. So again i find myself questioning how on earth assad is going to be removed and replaced by extremists who will have no issues terrorizing whoever they can with chemical weapons given the opportunity. O well iran better get those 5000 troops prepared and ready to possibly face sarin gas and advanced weapons with of course the classic al queda car bomb terror attacks.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/21/business/st-petersburg-putin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Now i assume putin is the bad guy, he recognizes the al queda threat. The other countries ignore it, once again chemical weapons are used to justify entering a war. I thought the lack of evidence and blatant lies regarding chemical weapons in iraq was an excuse no one would believe again but here we sit, no evidence and accusations of chemical weapon usage when evidence suggests the extremists have used it, actual evidence is ignored. How can people fall for the chemical weapon excuse again?

Excuse the long post.
 
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Rocket near Beiruit brings war closer

A rocket slammed into a suburb of Beirut on Friday, bringing the conflict in neighboring Syria closer to Lebanon's bustling capital and reviving bitter memories of the country's own devastating civil war.

With skirmishes between Shiites and Sunnis on the rise around the country, religiously mixed and highly vulnerable Lebanon is increasingly buffeted by powerful forces that are dividing the Arab world along sectarian lines.

There were no casualties from the rocket, which struck a Christian area southeast of Beirut overnight, but the incident raised fears that Lebanon was being sucked into a war that has already paralyzed state institutions and strained its economy with the presence of more than a half-million Syrian refugees.

"This is very, very dangerous," said Pierre Ashkar, head of a syndicate of hotel owners, referring to the potential damage to the tourism industry from such rocket attacks. He said his daughter and her husband were among scores who have canceled plans to come Lebanon.

"When our kids can't come to Lebanon, I don't know how a French, British or even a Saudi and Kuwaiti can," he told The Associated Press.

For the most part, Lebanon has stayed on the sidelines of the Arab Spring, keeping up its appearance as an oasis of relative stability, which has helped its tourism and entertainment businesses.

The Lebanese - and the tens of thousands of expatriates and Gulf Arab tourists who visit every summer - have learned to live with the country's occasional bouts of upheaval and violence, including huge street protests that followed the assassination of a former prime minister in 2005 and deadly street clashes in 2008, when the militant Shiite Hezbollah group briefly overran parts of Beirut.

Beneath the surface lurk the same forces that devastated the country in its years of civil war, with simmering hatreds still dividing Muslims and Christians, Sunnis and Shiites, and secular and fundamentalist groups.

The Lebanese civil war began in 1975 with clashes between mostly Muslim Palestinian factions and Christian militiamen, and eventually turned into a Christian-Muslim civil war in which external players like Saudi Arabia, Syria and Western countries used the country as a battleground.

The uprising in Syria against President Bashar Assad, which began in March 2011, brought sectarian tensions to the surface and has inflamed rivalries.

The two countries share a complex web of political and sectarian ties, and Lebanon is deeply divided into pro- and anti-Assad groups, a legacy of Syria's long dominance of its small neighbor.

Lebanon's Sunni Muslims mostly back the overwhelmingly Sunni rebels in Syria, while many Shiites support Assad, who is a member of Syria's minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shiite Islam.

Sectarian tensions sharply increased after the Shiite militant group Hezbollah openly joined Assad's forces in fighting the rebels seeking his ouster. Lebanon has seen repeated bursts of violence, but it has mostly been restricted to border areas and the northern city of Tripoli.

Rockets from Syria fall regularly into towns and villages near the border. Last week, the tensions exploded into street clashes in the southern city of Sidon, suggesting the scope of the fighting was widening.

Friday's rocket slammed into a valley southeast of Beirut, causing a blast that reverberated across large parts of the city and surrounding mountains.

After hours of searching, Lebanese soldiers found the rocket in Jamhour, a Christian area near the presidential palace, the Defense Ministry and the Hezbollah stronghold of Dahyeh, the military said in a statement. Two rocket launchers still holding one rocket also were found about 10 miles (15 kilometers) to the north of the city, also in a Christian town.

It was the second such attack in less than a month. Two rockets hit Dahyeh on May 26, wounding four, hours after the Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah vowed in a speech to help propel Assad to victory.

The gap widened when Hezbollah fighters were instrumental in a recent Syrian government victory as they helped pro-Assad forces regain control of the strategic town of Qusair near the Lebanese border.

No one claimed responsibility the rocket attacks near Beirut, but rebels in Syria have vowed to retaliate and have sent rockets slamming into Hezbollah strongholds in northeastern Lebanon.

Friday's attack may also have been an attempt to drag Christian areas into the conflict, or perhaps was intended to send a message to Lebanese President Michel Suleiman, a Christian.

Rebel groups have warned Suleiman to rein in Hezbollah. Under pressure, the president has been increasingly critical of Hezbollah involvement in Syria; on Thursday, he said the group was making a "mistake" and urged it to leave Syria.

The conflict has paralyzed Lebanese institutions.

In downtown Beirut, Lebanese protesters continued a sit-in for a second day Friday near the parliament building to demand elections that originally were scheduled in June. Their chants on both evenings were drowned out by music blasting from a nearby rooftop nightclub, a sign of Beirut's bon vivant lifestyle struggling to prevail.

Last month, the 128-member parliament extended its term by a year and a half, put off the balloting because of the deteriorating security conditions in the country.

The demonstrators, who clashed with police Thursday, say the extension was unconstitutional. They have set up tents, blocking a side road in the city center.

Ali Jammoul, a 22-year-old activist and biology student taking part in the sit-in, said he fears the Shiite-Sunni sectarian hatreds will lead to a cycle of revenge killings even uglier than Lebanon's civil war, which is believed to have killed 150,000 people.

"The Lebanese are hostage to external dictates. They are spectators waiting to see what is going to happen in the battle (for Syria)," he said, adding that Lebanon, with its weak government, was powerless to stay out.

Ashkar, the tourism official, said Beirut is typically packed in the summer with more than 100 percent capacity but now is at only 40 percent occupancy, most of them business travelers. Hezbollah's public involvement in the war in Syria, he said, was a big blow to the industry that contributes 20 percent to the national income.

"This is really the worst season" since 1992 after the restoration of the tourism industry following the end of civil war, he said.

For the first time in years, all of Lebanon's hotels, with their 22,000 rooms, are partially closed or operating at reduced capacity, he added.

The tension has risen to a point where politicians on TV talk shows regularly throw invectives, and sometimes water glasses, at each other, or engage in a few fistfights.

The violence prompted organizers of Lebanon's famous Baalbek International Festival to announce plans to move the annual music show out of the ancient city with its Roman ruins because of its proximity to the Syrian border. Earlier this month, 18 rockets and mortar rounds fired from Syria hit the area, about 15 kilometers (10 miles) from the Syrian frontier.

"The situation in Baalbek does not permit holding the festival, and we are now looking for a new venue," an official with the festival said Friday, speaking on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to talk to reporters.

At least one participant, American soprano Renee Fleming, has canceled a planned concert at the festival, which is usually held under the towering columns of the Roman Temple of Jupiter, citing deteriorating security conditions. The festival is scheduled to begin in August.

Many Lebanese have despaired over the violence and the country's future.

"Half of my family left recently," said Jammoul, who was among bottle-throwing protesters who clashed with police overnight.

"My brother was my comrade in the streets. ... I cried when I returned to the streets after a week and he wasn't next to me, when I got beaten and he wasn't near me," he said.


Source : Sapa-AP /th
Date : 21 Jun 2013 23:38
 
You bet that rocket was from al nusra, doing what extremists do best, creating chaos. Good thing hezbollah are protecting Lebanon, even though western news tells us hezbollah are fighting through out the country when the reality is they are fighting in one town near their border.

Any word on the brutal way turkey are handling their uprising, no talk of intervention, exact same situation as libya and syria yet it seems as if nothing is happening.

http://rt.com/op-edge/syria-dangers-arming-rebels-048/

al nusra are not only fighting assad but killing other rebels groups, what a shock. Who could have seen this coming? O wait putin did.

http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-un-105/

UN once again rejects chemical weapon evidence from the US and co, didn't stop them attacking iraq.

Arming rebels only way to peace in Syria – Qatar

The only way to achieve peace in Syria is to provide more weapons to the rebel forces fighting the government of President Bashar Assad, said Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani. "Force is necessary to achieve justice. And the provision of weapons is the only way to achieve peace in Syria's case," he told visitors of the “Friends of Syria” conference in Doha. Qatar is among the most vocal supporters of the Syrian rebels, and has been arming them since the early months of the conflict.
rt.com

Yea because we know extremists are peaceful right? Scary that al nusra are assassinating free syrian army members. Expected from an extremist organization though.
 
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France gives Syrian Opposition Anti-Sarin Gas Kits

France has provided the Syrian opposition with treatment kits against the effects of the deadly sarin nerve gas, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told reporters in Doha on Saturday.

France has sent "treatments that can protect a thousand people," Fabius said following a "Friends of Syria" meeting in Qatar.

"This says a lot about the damage (Syrian President) Bashar al-Assad has caused to his people," said Fabius.

Sarin, a deadly nerve gas which the United States has said the Syrian regime has used against rebel forces, was developed by Nazi scientists in 1938.

Originally conceived as a pesticide, sarin was used by Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's regime to gas thousands of Kurds in the northern town of Halabja in 1988.

Earlier this month Fabius said that experts had analysed samples brought back from Syria and concluded that the deadly nerve agent had been used several times. Britain has echoed his remarks.

Saturday's meeting of the "Friends of Syria" group agreed to offer military aid to rebels in the war-hit country, as loyalists make apparent gains on the battlefield.

Ministers from Britain, Egypt, France, Germany, Italy, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and the United States attended the talks.

The United States, Britain and France have accused the Assad regime of using banned arms, including the sarin gas, in attacks that have killed scores of people.

Damascus has repeatedly denied such accusations.


Source : Sapa-AFP /nsm
Date : 22 Jun 2013 19:34
 
Any word on the brutal way turkey are handling their uprising, no talk of intervention, exact same situation as libya and syria yet it seems as if nothing is happening..

So how many protesters has the Turkish 'dictatorship' killed then?
 
So how many protesters has the Turkish 'dictatorship' killed then?

Go to rt.com, more than likely something you don't do.

Al nusra were caught with sarin gas by the turks and obama is claiming sand samples containing sarin gas come from assad using chemical weapons and not the rebels who were caught with sarin gas. I would tend to think the people caught with sarin gas are more than likely the ones using it. The person blamed based on sand samples is something only hardcore supporters would even entertain.


Instead of typing out a massive post, read this article: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/05/iran-hezbollah-israel-common-enemy-nusra.html

This article also makes a valid point:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-...dreds-killed-in-syria-study-confirms-1.528004

Fascinating to follow this syrian conflict. I know the US are blatantly lying about assad because turkey caught al nusra rebels with sarin gas so he has no way of validating that the rebels never used the sarin gas when concrete evidence shows they have been using it, i guess concrete evidence isn't as good as the trustworthy US making claims they cannot back up. The US have gone from trucks with chemical weapons to sand. I think the truck lie was actually more believable but either way the people will once again believe the US when they have no evidence, the UN has come out and made it clear they do not support the US claim based on a lack of evidence. Iraq same story, did that stop the attack? So the UN really are just a pointless organization.

The weapons have been approved and will be sent, what exactly the rebels are getting will be interesting. They talk about leveling the playing field. Should get interesting. I am sure the equipment has already been deployed but approval was needed for the really game changing support to be released.
 
Syrian rebels execute teenage boy for ‘heresy’

An al-Qaeda-affiliated opposition group has allegedly executed a teenage boy in Syria in front of his family, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reports. The boy was shot by the group for supposedly blaspheming.
The SOHR said witnesses claim Qataa got into an argument at a coffee stand where he worked in the Sh’ar neighborhood of Aleppo. He was overheard saying: "Even if the Prophet Mohammad comes down (from heaven), I will not become a believer."

According to the report published by the SOHR, one of the members of the group addressed the crowd and said: “Generous citizens of Aleppo, disbelieving in God is polytheism and cursing the prophet is polytheism. Whoever curses even once will be punished like this.”

"He then fired two bullets from an automatic rifle in view of the crowd and in front of the boy's mother and father, and got into a car and left,"

http://rt.com/news/syrian-rebels-execute-teenage-boy-460/
 
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Staggy you are 100% and that is what they mention on crosstalk two years down the line is late. Assad has not killed 40000 of his own people the rebels have done that. There is one thing i feel needs to happens, hezbollah need to ensure lebanon are not sucked in which they are, iran need to ensure assad does not fall by sending troops and whatever is needed to help and israel need to be ready for a radical syria should assad fall which they are.

I tend to think at this point with the biggest opposition being excellent fighters and extremists, aligning with al queda that assad is the one who should be getting western help, drive out alnusra and alqueda then the free syrian army and assad can come to an agreement. Al queda won't want peace, they want chaos and they would absolutely love to rule a country and have a base to launch terror attacks from. Israel are prepared, i think the realization is only hitting home now that a post assad syria could be so much worse. Al queda kill innocents for fun, you should be backing anyone they are fighting.

Assad has killed his own people. The rebels did not just start shooting at themselves. The original protests were met with force and people were killed before they took up arms.

Assad should have ducked. His hands are dripping with blood and his position is untenable. If he beats the rebels his country will likely be under siege from radicals as I highly doubt Al Nusra and their Iraqi Al Qaeda allies will pack their toys and go home. If he falls Syria will be about as governable as Somalia. Libya and Egypt have post-revolution stability issues and they have endured nothing like the Syrians have.

Iran will not directly engage the rebels or radicals fighting Assad. Iran shares a border with Iraq. Al Nusra is tied to the Iraqi branch of Al Qaeda. It has Iraqis within its command structures. Do you think they want anything spilling into their country? Syria is screwed. Nobody can save it. It is too late. The only man that could have saved it chose not to and now he has guaranteed his country a bleak future. The people did not want the man. It had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or Al Nusra. His people wanted him gone. He chose to stay. He chose to use force against his own people. His country burns because of him.

Israel will have no issue pounding anything that threatens them from within Syria's borders, but an out of control Syria teaming with radicals is not a comfortable situation for them.
 
Please prove to me assad killed thousands of his own people staggy, this war was barely covered much like the bahrain protests and so on, he did brutally try put down the protests, exactly like bahrain and iran did but there is a regime change wanted. Bahrain did the exact same things, except rt covered it but with the US backing bahrain even the large majority cannot fight nor can insurgents really get a foothold and go after the government. Assad said from beginning al queda were behind the protests. Again i am backing assad just wondering how syria became a civil car so quickly. Fighters from outside with Libyan weapons is what i have read.

I don't believe assad slaughtered thousands of his own people, i do believe they did die due to the civil war and more will die. The beginning i am sure a few were killed but if i recall nothing was ever verified. You are more than welcome to back up the claim with a link. I am basing my information on what the experts on cross talk were saying. So by no means do i have proof he never killed 40000 of his own people. I mean his alawite(spelling is wrong) supporters.
 
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Please prove to me assad killed thousands of his own people staggy, this war was barely covered much like the bahrain protests and so on, he did brutally try put down the protests, exactly like bahrain and iran did but there is a regime change wanted. Bahrain did the exact same things, except rt covered it but with the US backing bahrain even the large majority cannot fight nor can insurgents really get a foothold and go after the government. Assad said from beginning al queda were behind the protests. Again i am backing assad just wondering how syria became a civil car so quickly. Fighters from outside with Libyan weapons is what i have read.

I don't believe assad slaughtered thousands of his own people, i do believe they did die due to the civil war and more will die. The beginning i am sure a few were killed but if i recall nothing was ever verified. You are more than welcome to back up the claim with a link. I am basing my information on what the experts on cross talk were saying. So by no means do i have proof he never killed 40000 of his own people. I mean his alawite(spelling is wrong) supporters.

With that statement you basically imply that what is happening in Syria is unrelated to what has happened across the Arab world. Either that, or the Arab Spring is in effect a major Al Qaeda ''operation'' designed to destabilise the Arab World. What happened in Syria was not unique. What happened in Syria happened in Libya, Tunisa, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Morocco, Algeria and Sudan. What happened was the people grew tired of their [-]governments[/-] dictatorships and wanted change. Unfortunately for the Libyans, Yemenis, Bahrainians and Syrians, their dictators would rather see blood flow than stand down.

I'm not prepared to put a figure on it, so I won't worry about this ''40,000'', but I will say that Assad's forces have killed and continue to kill civilians, either deliberately or as collateral.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/04/20134113248834575.html

'We didn't recognise him'

One resident of the northern town of Azaz told HRW that at least 12 members of his family were killed in a bombing of their homes on August 15 last year.

"I buried 12 of my family members... including my father, my mother, and my sister; my brother's wife as well," said the man identified as Ahmed. "Walid, my brother, was cut into pieces. We didn't recognise him at first. We buried my brothers' children also. The youngest was 40 days old," he added.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/17/w...ters-killed-in-syria.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

As on past Fridays, the country witnessed a spasm of violence, as security forces sought to crush protests that, by many accounts, have lost some momentum in recent weeks. At least 44 people were killed, and military strikes, with tanks and armored vehicles, continued around Hama and in northwest Syria, a rugged region near the Turkish border. The newly dead added to one of the region’s grimmest tolls: more than 2,600 killed by government forces, according to a United Nations count, and possibly tens of thousands arrested since the uprising began.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/07/us-syria-idUSL5E7L720620111007

(Reuters) - Syrian forces killed at least eight people when they opened fire to disperse protests against President Bashar al-Assad after Friday prayers in Damascus and Homs, activists said, and Russia's president urged him to undertake reforms or step down.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203716204577015912784372198.html

More than 20 civilians died when Syrian government forces attacked neighborhoods of the central city of Homs on Thursday, activist groups said, casting doubt on Damascus's agreement the previous day to immediately pull its forces from cities.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ces-kill-teen-in-aleppo-protests-7717248.html

Syrian forces have fired on thousands of protesters in Aleppo, killing a teenager, after a raid on dormitories at the city's main university the day before killed four students and enflamed tensions in a key bastion of support for the regime.

During yesterday's protests, security forces killed a 16-year-old youth in the Salaheddine district of Aleppo and wounded around 30 other people, Saeed said. Scores also were arrested, he said. The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which relies on a network of activists on the ground in Syria, confirmed that a teenager was gunned down.

Take note of the dates those articles were written. They go back to 2011, before the start of the armed uprising. Assad was slaughtering his people before the FSA. Before Al Qaeda & Al Nusra arrived. The man is a bastard. All you see is his doing. Libya and Egypt are no safe-havens just yet, but I'm willing to bet the Syrian people would rather live there than in an all out warzone.
 
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Killa waffled this:
You are more than welcome to back up the claim with a link. I am basing my information on what the experts on cross talk were saying. So by no means do i have proof he never killed 40000 of his own people. I mean his alawite(spelling is wrong) supporters.

So, he's being ridiculous, since it's Assad's own Alawite supporters killing the rest, just like his dad did. Killa knows this, but wants to keep waffling BS.
 
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