thestaggy
Honorary Master
Staggy i love it when you climb into a debate, look at za1 all he does rofl and lol. you always have an interesting view point which i love.
assad though isn't fighting his own people, majority of the fighters are outside forces and yes some may be syrians but for the most part he is fighting people who don't care about the people of syria, they just want power and an easy access route to iran. I think the western powers thought this would easy, bomb assad and and remove him but russia and china saw what happened in libya and blocked it so assad is actually doing extremely well which i would have expected, plus he has hezhollah fighting with him and iranian forces ready to go in.
I will refer you to my most response to Haldex for my opinion on this.
Glad you also think al queda are dangerous and arming the al nusra would basically be arming al queda, considering the free syrian army soldiers are moving to al nusra it looks like there will be one major force/opposition fighting assad. It scares me to think al queda could get their hands on chemical weapons though, we know without a doubt they kill for fun and wow chemical weapons in the hands of a terror group that would undoubtedly use them.
Glad there are some folks here that can debate properly.
My opinions on this conflict have been affected by the increasing presence of foreign forces with ''other agendas''. A year ago I would have considered direct intervention if the people asked for it, but now, while I still believe that the Syrians are a strong presence in the resistance, the increasing power of ''shady'' organisations has made me think about who I believe should run that ship.
staggy how come turkey who are now threatening to bring the army in to sort out the protestors have avoided any sort of intervention? libya was instant and syria was instant. Yet turkey who are doing the exact same thing, i guess it's the double standard in play again, turkey pro west so it is not an issue.
In fairness to Turkey, that has been boiling for some time and only until recently have they threated to use the army. The police have been dealing with the protestors. It should also be noted that the Turkish army is very similar to that of the Egyptian army - pre-revolution - in that their respective leaderships distance(d) themselves from politics. Saying that, in the past I have readily acknowledged that the likes of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia receive ''pardons'' for being valuable allies in the region. Like the Saudis, Turkey is a powerful bulwark against Iran. The US will tolerate one evil in order to control a perceived greater evil.
Staggy i can't see how the US could possibly arm al nusra now that they have aligned with al queda and the free syrian army are losing members and not capable of fighting like al nusra so do you see the US arming them? I don't see it, i can't see how assad can be toppled without the west getting troops into syria or bombing the shyte out of syria. Can you see a way to topple assad without western intervention(not arming the rebels but proper war as in planes, tanks and group troops).
staggy another question, who would question the US who declared war on terror arming a terror group? Can they really claim to be at war against terror if they arm an al queda based rebel group?
Well, I've also read that Al Nusra may have even executed FSA officers, so I really can't see the US having a solid reason for arming them now. They are associated with a confirmed enemey - Al Qaeda - and they are now guilty of possibly operating against the ''moral'' participants of the revolution.
Assad will remain in power without Western intervention, BUT, his country is doomed if Al Nusra stay. The idiot should have gone the Tunisa/Egypt route and stood down with relative ease. He BSed that Al Qaeda were there from day one. Well, he BSed that they were the primary force, as I wouldn't rule them out completely in the beginning, but it was the people followed by defectors from the army that got the ball rolling. It was his people that wanted him gone. As the situation deteriorated every other group that had an agenda/bone to pick got involved.
Conclusion: Assad should have ducked two years ago as his country is now screwed, whether he wins or is dragged behind a car and strung up.
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