Throttling is ridiculous: ISP

Some ISPs even shape and throttle capped accounts

You lot also throttle capped accounts - http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/613600-Are-Openweb-throttling-capped-accounts

You also trial on live accounts without the user's permission. You also fob off support as a burden rather than a requisite. You also share uncapped accounts with multiple users.

Your "excuses" don't cut the mustard.

And as has been evidenced in your feedback thread, you're hardly the bastion of sense when it comes to how customers should be treated.

Nice PR-prep for your unshaped product release, but very poor timing...
 
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LOL. How this article is even allowed is beyond me.

Hundreds have cancelled OpenWeb and keep cancelling.

One just has to read the feedback thread. And the HelloPeter. And the growing complaints on the Facebook page.

  • Account sharing
  • Titan (entriest level) and Gold accounts being sold as the same product (what we have proof of, who knows what else goes on)
  • Accounts sold as having one concurrent connection when they allow two
  • Constant account authentication issues
  • Daytime [-]throttling[/-] shaping to the ground
  • Lying about usage stats from http://userstats.adsl.saix.net/ when they are in fact correct
  • Blocking access to http://users.isdsl.net/ because it was too easy to see account sharing and correct usage, another lie
  • No ability to resolve account issues besides giving out other accounts which are already in use
  • Blaming Telkom/router
  • Etc.


Some gems below.

http://hellopeter.com/openweb/compliments-and-complaints

Not sure how to prove that they were on different packages (one guy cancelled his account now). They have completely different line speeds however, the one with the support ticket having a 4mbps line and the other a 2mbps line. The 4mbps guy also had Titan Uncapped or something similarly bottom-tier while the 2mbps had a slightly more premium account.

PostmanPot can confirm that the accounts had the same password as I forwarded the emails to him.

Email 1:

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 09 April 2014 12:18 PM
To: [redacted]
Subject: Your new OpenWeb Account Details!

Dear [redacted]

Welcome to the OpenWeb family!!

[redacted], you are now a member of the Elite!
Those that demand only the best. In other words, you're an OpenWebber!

OpenWeb Account Details:

User Name : [email protected]
Password : [redacted]

If you would like step by step instructions on how to setup your router with your shiny new OpenWeb ADSL account, please download our OpenWeb Router Setup Guide from this link: http://www.openweb.co.za/setup/OWRouterSetupGuide.pdf

OpenWeb Service Centre:
Monday to Friday, 08:30am to 17:00pm

0861 22 44 66
[redacted], thank-you for becoming part of the family that cares, the family of OpenWeb.


Kind Regards
OpenWeb Team

Email preferences available once logged into your personal Control Panel


Email 2:

Ticket History Zelda Coetzee (Staff) Posted On: 09 April 2014 02:56 PM

Hi [redacted]

I have moved you to this alternate routing account:

Username: [email protected]
Password: [redacted]

Please logon and provide feedback

Kind regards
Leon
Senior Engineer (Core Network)

Hi all

If you suspect that you have been duped by signing up with openweb and getting half speeds or no speeds, please email [email protected] with all the details. I have taken this route as i am fairly upset that my account was shared amongst users bar myself. I had a gold account that barely worked and managed to ascertain that it was in use by another person in CPT which is not fair. I paid the full amount for my account but never really got the service.

I view this as fraud and IS are assisting me with this, once done i'll be taking openweb to small claims court to reverse the money. will keep you all posted as this is all hinging on IS providing me with the details.

The bottom line here is Telkom and IS kept being blamed for all the OW issues and that detracts from their brand value they have. Openweb will need to show hard proof in the court that it wasnt them and i have all their feedback in writing which does make life easier.

@KALSTER
Let me share some of my experience with you. Let me know your thoughts on this.

When I bought my account last year, I logged into http://users.isdsl.net/. I saw that my account had already been logged into and used one day before I had purchased it. This raised my suspicions about the rumours of account sharing. I noted that I was unable to change my simplistic '1122' password thought the CP so I sent a PM to MrBEEP a few days later. Once my password was changed and messaged back to me in plain-text, I monitored the IS user stats. Guess what happened? After the other session timed-out, it did not appear for a few days.

I felt a little bad about having caused someone else to lose Internet connection for a few days. Because I also did not have any performance issues with my account, I let the issue slide. That was until a few months later when the daytime issues started. That's when the troubleshooting started with OW support and I got given various new accounts. I discovered that the IS-based accounts would be heavily shaped from 08:00-17:00 preventing any sort of browsing. On the other hand the MTN-based accounts allowed browsing at all times, but NNTP would not get past 30KB/s in the evenings.

This is when I tried to question what had changed with the shaper. I was lied to by being told that nothing had changed since before I joined. I was told that if I download during the day, my browsing would be shaped. My usage pattern had not changed, but I humoured them and scheduled my downloads for the evening. Needless to say, this had no effect on the crippling daytime shaping. I settled on the tedious task of switching between the IS-based and MTN-based account to be able to browse during the day and download at night.

I should mention that it is quite frustrating waiting 3-5 minutes for the OW support page to load, and then being told that nothing is wrong on when they test the account. Also, there has not been one case where they have found and fixed a problem on an account. The 'solution' has always been to give a new account. At any rate, my solution of using two accounts was cumbersome and eventually the other account stopped working.

I recently decided to do some investigating since I was now on an account with a single session. I shared my account details *gasp* with a friend and uncovered some facts.
  • We were both able to connect to the same account. (two concurrent connections allowed)
  • When I made two simultaneous connections to the account, my friend would be unable to connect to the account. When we were both connected, I was unable to establish a second connection. (account limited to two concurrent connections)
  • When a new connection was made it would immediately display on IS user stats. When a PPPOE connection was disconnected it would immediately disappear from IS user stats. When a router was reset, the session would take +-30min to timeout before it would disappear. This is because the router dis not properly disconnect before resetting. (stats show correct current sessions to within thirty minutes; the locations for the sessions were also pretty close)
  • When a new connection was made, followed by a download, followed by a disconnect: the correct usage for that session would be displayed on IS user stats. When a new connection was made, followed by a download, and NOT followed by a disconnect: the correct usage would be displayed after about an hour. (stats show correct usage to within an hour; numbers larger compared to self-maintained stats indicate other session's usage)
  • When we downloaded at the same time, we both got full speeds. After about a day, the download speeds reduced dramatically and it seems that this was regardless of how much the other was currently downloading. This was rectified after the other session disconnected. (account sharing does reduce speeds, as janitor said, but this speed reduction is not immediate)
By the way the SAIX stats for my account are the same as the IS stats. They just do not show the current sessions, nor which regions the sessions originated from.

After all this testing, I asked to have the password change ability enabled since it was finally "available". This ability had the added effect of showing me my stats. The stats that OW said they did not track by default so they could not throttle you. Big surprise, I could see the stats for the entire month even though the ability was activated near the end of the month. (OW does know you usage and probably does not want to show it to you due the other session on your account)

With all this deception and terrible speeds, I am glad that I already cancelled. I should have cancelled sooner. Too bad my cancellation (or maybe the request for the password change ability) appears to have enable the newest version of the shaper. That is during weekdays, no browsing (or gaming) possible from 08:00-17:00, very slow downloads from 08:00-17:00 and slow downloads from 17:00-23:00.
 
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the "pipe" the openweb clown was talking about is actually the god damn link................networking slang, ie, how big is your pipe? Oh it's a 4 meg pipe..............

Kalstar, i am all for logic and common sense but i'm trying to look at any concrete proof you have to counter all our claims......you do understand that EVERY ISP buys a pool of IPC bandwidth. Lets say 30 megs. That pool is split into groups that then have different shaping policies that take effect depending on how much capacity they purchased, most ISP's run at 100% all day as that's the most efficient way to manage your bandwidth.....through effective shaping.

What openweb were doing didnt seem to perform like this, they seemed to do it twice. They would sell you an account, sell someone the same account then claim the money from both.

THIS IS ILLEGAL as contention ratio's dont come into play here per pool as if you purchase a 4 meg account and someone else does and you both connect, if they are of the same level account and that specific pool has 8 megs available, you would each get your full speeds.

What Openweb were doing was taking the SAME account and selling it to 2 people, so when the concurrent connections took place on a 4 meg account, although they could have had 8 megs available, because of the account being policed to a maximum size of 4 megs, neither user would get more than 2 megs at the same time they were both connected if both downloaded at their maximum percentage.

Add to that the ridiculous shaping policies applied to the pools that only got removed at 11pm and you have what we call a complete CLUSTER ***** of an ISP who would then blame Telkom.............So tell me now who pays the 3 grand i spent laying new copper from the telkom exchange to my house.......i believe it should be Openweb as they blatantly lied about the way their policing worked.

I was fortunate enough to interrogate one of their clowns in the technical department and it was scary...........anyone of my junior CCNA's would have smelt the absolute bull**** that perpetuated from their side.

Luckily i backed off from going mental at their staff and starting my own investigations with Telkom tier 2 and that's when i found my flippin account connected elsewhere in cape town..........we then worked back through all my accounts and found out that at the EXACT times i couldnt authenticate it was due to the same account being used in other places. i would have to call openweb only to be given another account name which made me wonder.........

I offered to assist openweb last year by getting both Telkom Tier 2 and Saix involved as well as IS Backbone engineers........the minute i did this, all communication ceased and they ignored my please.........now you tell me Kalstar, if your client had an issue, and he was willing to get everyone on the phone that managed the service end to end to solve the issue, why the hell wouldnt you want to get involved hey?

This thread is why, they are lying and perpetuating FRAUD!

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LOL. How this article is even allowed is beyond me.

Hundreds have cancelled OpenWeb and keep cancelling.

One just has to read the feedback thread. And the HelloPeter. And the growing complaints on the Facebook page.

  • Account sharing
  • Titan (entriest level) and Gold accounts being sold as the same product
  • Accounts sold as having one concurrent connection when they allow two
  • Daytime [-]throttling[/-] to the ground
  • Lying about usage stats
  • No ability to resolve account issues besides giving out other accounts which are already in use
  • Blaming Telkom/router
  • Etc.


Some gems below.

http://hellopeter.com/openweb/compliments-and-complaints

Yeah it's difficult not to imagine that this is simply rpm trying to protect one of his advertisers/his bottom line.

Pretty disgusting actually. I'd expect this forum to at least have a modicum of its integrity of old left, but it seems it's all about the money these days.
 
Yeah it's difficult not to imagine that this is simply rpm trying to protect one of his advertisers/his bottom line.

Pretty disgusting actually. I'd expect this forum to at least have a modicum of its integrity of old left, but it seems it's all about the money these days.

Sadly so. Updated my post btw.
 
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DISCLAIMER: This has nothing to do with this thread whatsoever. Any similarities that are hereby implied or inferred are fictional and bear no relevance to reality.
 
First happy hello peter face on PostmanPot post

"OpenWeb give excellent service. I logged an email complaint via my phone that I could not get connected to the Internet within 2 hours I had received a new User name from Keoma Wright."

WooHoo that is just wonderful service......
 
Thanks to our forum discussion most newbies will now have enough information to make up their minds about which ISP to entrust with their ADSL accounts. I am glad that in SA we have finally evolved into a country where you have a decent amount of choice in ADSL ISP's.

This website however is also a business that needs funding. Just stating the obvious here.
 
Final confirmation that mybroadband is on OpenWeb's payroll - they were informed about this long before this article. Poor form rpm, poor form.
 
I cannot believe this......Mybroadband's staff writer? Who are you and what is your name.........Could you please interview me so i may formulate a response to this clown you just got an interview from.........
 
You gotta wonder about the angle of articles on here. If the object of the article is a paying customer, will we see an objective piece? I know forumites have reported their findings to rpm but yet here we see this article. But like the saying goes,'money talks and BS walks' rpm needs to pay the bills like all of us. Just wonder about the point of consumer activism on this site going forward.
 
You gotta wonder about the angle of articles on here. If the object of the article is a paying customer, will we see an objective piece? I know forumites have reported their findings to rpm but yet here we see this article. But like the saying goes,'money talks and BS walks' rpm needs to pay the bills like all of us. Just wonder about the point of consumer activism on this site going forward.

Mybroadband stopped being a consumer activist site years ago.
It's still useful due to its high Google rankings. Talk as much trash about offending ISPs as you can, as often as possible and hope that people see the truth.
 
[-]God[/-] The Doctor has spoken and we must... must trust in him!

You lot also throttle capped accounts - http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/613600-Are-Openweb-throttling-capped-accounts

You also trial on live accounts without the user's permission. You also fob off support as a burden rather than a requisite. You also share uncapped accounts with multiple users.

Your "excuses" don't cut the mustard.

And as has been evidenced in your feedback thread, you're hardly the bastion of sense when it comes to how customers should be treated.

Nice PR-prep for your unshaped product release, but very poor timing...
 
This is disappointing. rpm sold out :(

The only thing that's a bigger pile of crap than OpenWeb, is an actual pile of crap.
 
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