Smaller ISP’s out in the cold due to JINX's Equivalent Line Charges

nice article thanks

the new electronic communications act will probably make life easier...
 
RichardP said:
Any my theory continues that the ISPA is a price-rigging cartel :mad:
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i think that is a harsh call - certainly they do represent the ISP industry (their members who pay their dues) and that is the agenda which they push...as seen with their response to the draft adsl regs the industry interests do not always coincide with consumer interests (not surprising) - where they do coincide then ISPA has done more than most to agitate for change

from a policy and law formulation standpoint they have done some truly excellent work and there are some extremely knowledgeable and competent people on board
 
Telkom is being lambased for ripping the public off..... JINX does the same thing! ... now how is that helping the internet in SA ?

now isnt that the Pot calling the kettle 'black'. ?
 
ISPA, continues to rip of the Individual ISP's, and this is why many ISP's are not joining them, if they have 100 members there must be 300 ISP's.

The reason the charge those prices are to pay there salaries which are high !
 
okay, i hold no brief for ispa but those who have lots to say please tell us the details

how exactly is ispa ripping off the public?
how is it price-rigging?
in what sense is it a cartel?
do those who do work for ispa outside of the core secretariat draw a salary and if so pls tell me how high these are?
 
dominic said:
okay, i hold no brief for ispa but those who have lots to say please tell us the details
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how exactly is ispa ripping off the public?
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The charges are for interconnects, these costs are not absorbed by the ISP, the costs are distributed amongst the subscribers... YOU AND ME!

how is it price-rigging?
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Is there an alterternative to JINX ? they can dictate any price that floats their boat - there is no alternative in SA.

in what sense is it a cartel?
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My previous point airs my view.

do those who do work for ispa outside of the core secretariat draw a salary and if so pls tell me how high these are?
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No idea! I am not arguing salaries.

These are my views - dont take them too seriously :p
 
Misinformation...

The title was "Smaller ISP’s out in the cold due to JINX's Equivalent Line Charges" - however - Small members who connect to JINX (there is a Once off fee of about R3000 - and you need to be an ISPA Member - which is another R300 or so a month) connect at 128Kb - WITHOUT paying equivalent line charges....
The R300 monthly ISPA membership fee is a real bargin - looking at the legal work that ISPA does for its members.. IMHO

There is one other rule - you need a Router between your network and the JINX switch (could be a Mikrotik RouterBoard-500 for under R1500). In order to sucessfully peer, you'll need an ASN (be able to run BGP) and control of your IP address space. Lastly - peering is not automatic. You need to convince others to peer with you (though most peer with most).

Is it worth all the hassle? - Yes :)
 
interesting.....

ayce u may want to consider editing the 2nd last paragraph...your call
 
hmmmmmm

i take your point but i am still not sure that the conclusions you draw in that paragraph flow logically or, more importantly, defensibly from the e-mail
 
@dominic, I think the 2 posting above make my statement about the self interest / hype clear.
 
allyoucaneat said:
And this article today on ITWeb:

http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/int...A=MAW&S=Mobile and Wireless Technology&O=FPIN
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this is old news recycled & undoubtedly it willbe expensive - the same views have been aired numerous times by numerous people over the last 2 years...the act was always going to be challenging in this respect and the DoC has tried to get as much input as possible from telecommunication and internet service providers over the last few years...they have even taken advice from ther FCC which oversaw the pioneering patriot-act type interception legislation post 9/11

this is a problem made significantly worse by the fact that the definition of an ISP in the act is so broad it includes businesses and schools etc
 
allyoucaneat said:
@dominic, I think the 2 posting above make my statement about the self interest / hype clear.
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i can see where it comes from but not sure it can be proved from the mail and article; can also understand your frustration at the manner in which ISPA has dealt with telecomms liberalisation issues

anyways...
 
allyoucaneat said:
@dominic, I think the 2 posting above make my statement about the self interest / hype clear.
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Kudus to you, must say, AYCE really developed an open mind of the months :)
 
JINX is a cool service. There are no "Equivilent Line Chareges" for small members.
ISPA is a damn useful organisation... even if you are not a member of ISPA - if you are an ISP - you benefit. (In almost every instance, when some government department has tried to enforce something on ISP's - ISPA has helped to educate them and reduce the effect on all ISP's - ISPA's birth was largly the result of Telkom SA's desire to "remove" ISP's.)

If you are not happy with ISPA - join it , understand how it works then assist in making changes. One person is unlightly to make a change - but several co-operating together may. Change by Consensus?
 
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@mje, I'm guessing you are AB.

mje said:
You're welcome to express your opinion - but how far should you go to "encourage" others to join you? (What did you do? - truthfully)
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DOTCO took Telkom to the Cape High Court and petitioned a complaint with ICASA (together with WebAfrica). See: http://www.iweek.co.za/ViewStory.asp?StoryID=156900

DOTCO also exposed TelkomInternet's unfair capping policy. See: https://dotco.net/allyoucaneat/kb/index.php?ToDo=view&questId=24&catId=6

What did ISPA do lately for it members? Oh yeah. We got IPConnect. Jippee! What a load of $@#^%!
 
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mje said:
Back to the Topic.
JINX is a cool service. There are no "Equivilent Line Chareges" for small members.
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Remember the title of this thread is: "Smaller ISP’s out in the cold due to JINX's Equivalent Line Charges".

What are you smoking?
 
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