First Blood Drawn - 360 vs PS3.

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Hehehe.
I haven't had this much fun since I plugged in Gears of War.

Enjoy the read.
http://www.techradar.com/blogs/article/bloody-war-xbox-goes-for-the-throat-in-battle-with-ps3-261070

Bloody war: Xbox goes for the throat in battle with PS3
Xbox price cuts a slap in the face for Sony
14 hours ago | Reader comments (3)


Is the Xbox 360 destined to kill-off the PS3? Or can Sony fight back?

Just as we thought the battle between Microsoft’s Xbox 360 and Sony’s PS3 couldn’t get any more interesting, the fight has just gotten a lot more fierce. The general consensus was that 2008 would be the year of the PS3. The year it finally sinks its teeth into the market to wrestle market share away from Microsoft and Nintendo.

But before Sony could even make a move, Microsoft has pre-emptively spanked the PlayStation 3 in the face. It’s unabashedly Wii’d on Sony’s fire whilst giving it the proverbial finger. Effectively it’s neutered the PS3 before it even had a chance to challenge. And how? By massively reducing the price of its Xbox 360 consoles.

It’s staggering - £150 for an Xbox 360 Arcade? That’s HALF THE PRICE of the PS3, and £20 cheaper than a Nintendo Wii – how can Sony even hope to compete with that?

PlayStation 3 vs Xbox 360

The good news (or at least, the not-so-bad news) for Sony is that no one who would consider buying a PS3 would ever buy the hard disc-less Xbox 360 Arcade. So those two models are not really competing with one another. The bad news is that the real competition comes from the Xbox 360 Premium – which will, from Friday, be priced £100 cheaper than the PlayStation 3.

Last week Sony was in good shape to go forth and have a cracking year. But now, its plans look dashed. And while Sony is publicly putting a brave face on after the news from Microsoft, you know that internally it’ll be reeling.

Sony was hoping to start making a profit with its gaming arm in 2008. It’s just about breaking even on hardware sales now – but it would appear that to continue competing, Sony will simply HAVE to cut its own PS3 prices. And that means more losses on every console sold.

You’ve got to hand it to Microsoft here. It’s done Sony up like a kipper.

Done up like a kipper

First it managed to launch the Xbox 360 a whole year before the PS3. It built a large next-gen user base while Sony relied on the PS2 to wave the PlayStation flag. And what’s more, Microsoft also managed to get away with a reported 33 per cent hardware failure rate, without anyone really complaining too much.

Sure, there was the class action lawsuit which cost Microsoft $1bn but, crucially, sales of the Xbox 360 have not suffered a jot.

And so, the PS3 just might be in real trouble now. But before we go and make too many sweeping statements, could it be that Sony anticipated this? Microsoft’s price-cut was fairly predictable – it was no secret that cheap prices would be Microsoft’s biggest weapon in the console war.

So maybe Sony will have predicted this move and planned a counter-offensive? Either way, things are about to get interesting.

By James Rivington
 
quite a biased article.

Nevertheless, lets see what happends.

To all those okes that bought their consoles before the price cut - eish!
 
yeah that article is hugely biased.

I think a lot of people will buy ps3s because of the blue ray player now that hddvd is out of the picture.
 
It is a very sad day if the BR is the only reason to buy a PS3, it is looking more and more to be the only thing that they are toting. :(
 
Would it not just be more logical to buy a Blu-Ray player?

I think Stax were advertising one for R2500?

Slap on another 2k to the price of that Blu-ray player and you have the price for a 40Gb PS3

If you want both a gaming console and a blu-ray play, the ps3 might not be a bad item to consider? Whats an Xbox 360 and a separate blu-ray player gonna cost you? I dont know the prices of the Xbox 360.
 
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Slap on another 2k to the price of that Blu-ray player and you have the price for a 40Gb PS3

If you want both a gaming console and a blu-ray play, the ps3 might not be a bad item to consider? Whats an Xbox 360 and a separate blu-ray player gonna cost you? I dont know the prices of the Xbox 360.

Well, with the price drops coming you could use that 2k and get the Xbox360 Arcade.

So now it gets interesting since a few more options are available:

A) Get a PS3 which is a gaming console and BR DVD player in one.
B) Get an Xbox360 Arcade and a seperate BR DVD player.
C) Or if you already have an Xbox360 wait till BR DVD get even cheaper. I don't see any real reason to buy a BR player right now.
 
At least it's pro MS biased for a change, not the drivel pro Sony stuff people keep posting around the net.

@Toxin, I go with B or C. I do not see enough value in buying a BD player now. I may get one as my hardware goes through a standard upgrade cycle, but that would mean a. My current DVD player bust, and b. a BD player had to be the same price as a decent upscaling DVD player, ie around R1000.


Sorry for this, but it was requested by a few guys that couldn't see my blog. It's me, I make no attempt to be impartial so take it as it comes.

Gamerza said:
Ranting in my armchair: The 360 Price Cut & Why the Arcade wins

For all the conspiracy theories about the 360 European price cut, I think it's pretty simple and straight forward.

Microsoft kept the price high over Xmas because they thought the PS3 wasn't going to be a significant threat and the $50 cut in October would be enough. They subsequently sold a load of consoles and software, reaping in profit from the "inflated price", but they misjudged Sony's willingness to take a loss to get back into the game, and (as usual) misjudged Europe.

So the ramifications are that while they have to play a catch up in Europe, they've loaded their warchest and accelerated the cost reduction of 360. Unfortunately with the untimely demise of HD-DVD and the stock shortage (which I believe is probably due more to clearing old stock and stock piling for the price cut than actual shortages) it's created a slight negative perception of the 360's future. Truth is the 360 is where I think Microsoft wants it. Microsoft probably hoped to hit 20million over Xmas, but are still quite happy especially with the sterling software sales.

Which brings us to now. Traditionally, in any given year, the market has been dead until March. This year has been exceptional in that being barely out of February, we've already seen 3-4 A-AA titles. From here out things don't get any quieter, in fact I have no idea how publishers plan on releasing the number of games that have been scheduled for this year. With GTA4 around the corner, Microsoft have waited till now to maximise the impact of the price cut. I also expect the drop in the dollar has made he €80 Arcade cut possible.

This is also where there Arcade/Core strategy finally comes to light and makes sense. At R2000 the 360 no longer competes with the PS3 but becomes an alternative for anyone considering a PS2 or looking to upgrade one. We're not even talking the Wii here. Remember that Sony uses a 2 console strategy to target different segments of the market. They did it with PSOne and PS2 as well. More importantly consider the fact that more than 50% of all console sales occur at or below $200/ÂŁ150/R2000 and that PS2 still amounts to the largest install base. Majority of consoles are bought as "game consoles" by parents for kids. Anyone paying attention will also notice Microsoft's focus on getting piles of "E" games on the 360, and having the best parental controls. While there's no specific consoles sellers just yet, when comparing the PS3 and 360 catalogue of family games the 360 wins by a landslide.

And there in lies the rub. While Sony knee jerked against the technically superior Xbox 1 by building what amounts to a high end PC replacements box, they seemed to forget what makes a console a mass consumer device - the perception of the mass consumer that consoles are simple 'disposable' devices, like DVD players, Hi-Fi's or video machines. That's where the Wii got it so right: People perceive it as a throw away party toy.


The PS3's big problem is now that it's trapped in a corner. The PS3 will never be as affordable to manufacture as the 360. Why? Because you can never get a hard drive for under $40. Add the cost of the cell, wifi and BD components and the PS3 will probably always cost more than $200 to manufacture. That's why there's the Arcade 360, whether you agree with the principle or not, or you think it's "retro", by separating the reducible silicon costs from the fixed HDD costs, the price becomes transparent. The standalone HDD price is still somewhat expensive but comparable to similar external drives, but at the same time the actual unit can be dropped significantly.

So now Sony has a problem. It's money making PS2 business is being eroded by the Wii in the "Blue Ocean" space and now the 360 in the more traditional space. For all the sales pitch of the PS3 being a "home entertainment hub", that's where the sales pitch is going to have to stay, because it's not going to be able to compete as a "toy", and may never reach a mass market price.

As an aside, want another upside to the separate harddrive? While no mention has been made by Microsoft, just looking at flash RAM prices. I suspect we could see new Memory cards out in the near future, to the order of 4Gb or 8Gb, enough to hold HD movies and any game content deemed "too large" for harddriveless Arcades. The advantage once again is that flash is a lot cheaper than drives, pocket money cheap.

So my last prediction? The "Xbox Next" won't have a hard drive either, but will probably ship with ~32Gb+ Flash RAM.
 
I'll say it again: Sony somehow forgot they were competing with a games console. And I guarantee thats what most people are looking for.
 
Well, with the price drops coming you could use that 2k and get the Xbox360 Arcade.

So now it gets interesting since a few more options are available:

A) Get a PS3 which is a gaming console and BR DVD player in one.
B) Get an Xbox360 Arcade and a seperate BR DVD player.
C) Or if you already have an Xbox360 wait till BR DVD get even cheaper. I don't see any real reason to buy a BR player right now.

Option A and B equate to the same price and the same thing, a console and BR Player (wether it be two seperate components or machine that does both)

Option C, while the blu-ray players get cheaper, so will the consoles. So again, price will come out the same.

Ultimately, only sales will determine the real winner.
 
I'll say it again: Sony somehow forgot they were competing with a games console. And I guarantee thats what most people are looking for.

They bargained on all the PS2 owners rushing out to buy one.
Ummm...did not quite happen the way they planned though... ;)
 
For me Nintendo got it right. They brought out a device that does one thing well ... gaming on a TV set ... at a price people are willing to pay for a device that does one thing only. Gaming zen. Simple and affordable.

Sony should have kept things simple for a start, and then build the platform up with extra functionality, like Microsoft is doing. Rather make the platform modular where one can buy more functionality as want/demand evolves.
 
They bargained on all the PS2 owners rushing out to buy one.
Ummm...did not quite happen the way they planned though... ;)

Still going to happen mate. There are literally millions of people still playing on their PS2,(me being one) most are waiting for their favourite game franchises to jump to PS3, with some of them coming out soon Microsoft has got no option but to bring down their prices if they want to compete with Sony.

Not to say Xbox is not a good machine, quiet the opposite its got lovely titles, but I don't need a Xbox to play them! They play perfectly well if not better on my PC :D
 
LOL @Agerbon. ;)

The millions that are still playing on their PS2 have not moved over yet but because the jump from a PS2 to a PS3 cost wise is R4000 minimum.
With the 360 being costed as the same as a new PS2 with next-gen tech there is no reason for those people to wait anymore.

As for the game franchises are you talking about are these Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid?

Metal Gear solid is the only unique game franchise that is exclusive to PS3 at this moment.
Final Fantasy, a great franchise in it's own right, has some hits and misses and with Square Enix releasing multiplatform games now in the JRPG genre - Last Remnant - that gap is being filled quite quickly.

As for ports to the PC - A R2500 GFX card is required to try and fill the requirements to play Assassins Creed at the same specs that John Smith is with his R1999 Arcade Xbox360. :D
 
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Option A and B equate to the same price and the same thing, a console and BR Player (wether it be two seperate components or machine that does both)

Uhm, that's why I made the options. The reason that most people were buying the PS3 (ie. becase it has a BR player) doesn't hold as much water now since both options (X360+BR player and PS3) cost the same. It's going to come down to what exclusives pull you.

Option C, while the blu-ray players get cheaper, so will the consoles. So again, price will come out the same.

You misunderstood what I wrote. If a person has already bought a console, Xbox 360 or Wii, he/she can wait till BR players become cheaper or till they decide that it's actually worth it to get one. Since they've already bought a console, cheaper console prices don't apply to them. Only the price to get the BR player. And since you need a proper HD TV to make use of BR DVD it's going to be a while before it becomes worthwhile to get at all.

They play perfectly well if not better on my PC :D

I agree with you, but at what price? My PC runs all Xbox360 ported games, but the damn thing cost me R15000!!! :eek:

Kage has got it right. To properly play Xbox360 ported games on a PC at the the same quality as the Xbox360 you'd have to fork out at least R6000.

Why pay that much if you all you need is R2000 for an Arcade? And to be honest half of the ported games don't work as well as they should since they get ported horribly sometimes.
 
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Exactly.

Flipping it on it's head, why waste R3000 on a Gfx when I just bought a decent PC sans gfx for R2400, and can access all my media and the internet in my lounge via the MCE extender functionality on the 360 that works like a treat. ;)
 
And since you need a proper HD TV to make use of BR DVD it's going to be a while before it becomes worthwhile to get at all.
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HD TV's are everywhere already. You slacking matie!
 
@Kage

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars

1. PlayStation 2: 117.89 million shipped, as of March 31, 2007
2. Xbox: more than 24 million, as of May 10, 2006[15]
3. Nintendo GameCube: 21.72 million, as of December 31, 2007
4. Sega Dreamcast: 10.6 million[12][6]

Still alot of people that must join in all this fun!

http://www.vgchartz.com/

Notice that both Wii and Xbox where released around a year before PS3.

My point being that the high price of the PS3 didn't affect its sales.

Ho and the Xbox titles coming out on the PC are half the price you pay for the Xbox version.
 
HD TV's are everywhere already. You slacking matie!

*sigh*

Again, you misunderstood me. :rolleyes: In future I'll try and to be more clear with you. Let me re-phrase my statement.

Myself said:
And since you need a proper HD TV (which cost you even more money at the end of the day) to make use of BR DVD it's going to be a while before it becomes worthwhile to get at all.

Does that make better sense? A proper 1080i HD LCD TV will not cost you less than R8000 (that's just a thumbsuck value, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns ouut to be more).

In the end while you can play games on a normal TV without trouble, trying to watch a BR DVD movie on a normal TV is a waste off money....... you may as well just get a normal DVD.
 
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