ISPA JINX and CINX traffic growth

This is good news. More interconnect will mean lower local BW prices...
 
Now someone must put a news server at Cinx and Jinx and not allow SAIX or Vodacom traffic to said server.

That will make the smaller ISPs "local only" bandwidth more usable.
 
Pilgrim said:
Now someone must put a news server at Cinx and Jinx and not allow SAIX or Vodacom traffic to said server. That will make the smaller ISPs "local only" bandwidth more usable.
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A few ISPs are starting to look at innovative models, and I hope this starts happening to put pressure on the bigger guys to interconnect and also launch services which benefits local hosting and the like.
 
rpm said:
A few ISPs are starting to look at innovative models, and I hope this starts happening to put pressure on the bigger guys to interconnect and also launch services which benefits local hosting and the like.
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Yup, it is going to need something like Afrihost forcing down the prices to realise.

Maybe all the ISPs on CINX and JINX can offer uncapped or high cap on-network traffic? But only between themselves. That way you force the people that still cling to the TelkomISP localonly accounts to move over.
 
Pilgrim said:
Maybe all the ISPs on CINX and JINX can offer uncapped or high cap on-network traffic? But only between themselves. That way you force the people that still cling to the TelkomISP localonly accounts to move over.
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Do you really think that is going to make a difference?

Does anyone have any stats on the takeup of local-only accounts? I really can't imagine any average user (e.g. my Dad) getting a local-only account that won't let them google, etc. It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.

The only people I can see getting local-only accounts are the technically savvy ones that participate in GateCrasher's monumental thread on splitting local and international traffic. But what sort of volume is that, and would it be enough to encourage an ISP to change their model?

Ok, maybe people who only ever use the internet for email. But again, would there be any incentive to target those users anyway?
 
This is old news, about 11 years, not?

Press release by the ISPA (Internet Service Providers' Association)

For immediate release: 21 January, 1998

ISPA opens membership, lifts peering restrictions

In a special general meeting, the Internet Service Providers Association (ISPA) has decided to open membership to Telkom and Intekom, and will allow all qualifying members to interconnect at JINX and CINX (the Johannesburg and Cape Town Internet interconnection points).

As part of its objective to be representative of all South African Internet access providers, the ISPA has announced that its membership is now open to all access providers, including Telkom and Intekom. This decision is effective immediately.

At the beginning of December 1997, the ISPA implemented a revised peering policy, allowing qualifying members (members defined as "large" by the association) to physically connect at the two interconnection points, while actual exchange-of-traffic agreements are negotiated individually between the peering members.

This means that if Telkom or Intekom apply for membership, they will be allowed to put in place the infrastructure necessary for the exchange of Internet traffic. It is then incumbent upon the individual members of the association to negotiate the exchange of traffic between networks.

According to ISPA management committee member Anthony Brooks, this development heralds the arrival of a renewed cooperative spirit in the polarised South African Internet industry. "While peering has traditionally been used as a lobbying tool against Telkom's Internet access monopoly claims, we are removing the issue in order to make access easier and more efficient for all SA Internet providers and users."
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http://cyberserv.co.za/cyber/whatnew.htm

Was it not working all this time?
 
Why no stats page for CINX?

I'd really like to see a stats page for CINX. While stats.cinx.net.za exists in DNS, it doesn't answer HTTP requests.

Pilgrim said:
Maybe all the ISPs on CINX and JINX can offer uncapped or high cap on-network traffic? But only between themselves. That way you force the people that still cling to the TelkomISP localonly accounts to move over.
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The problems with that idea are:
  1. getting a fat pipe to JINX/CINX is still expensive (even if your network is in Joburg and can use DFA, they're charging R5/m/month which is mighty pricey), and
  2. getting a fat IPConnect pipe into Telkom's ADSL network is even more expensive.
It's nice that some other factors have improved (like international bandwidth prices), but while those issues are still problematic, ADSL bandwidth will still be expensive for consumers.
 
drs said:
The old CINX died (due to lack of interest, prohibitive Diginet costs, and silly ISPA policies as a result of that) quite some years ago. This is a brand new CINX that's been set up.
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Thanks.
 
RoganDawes said:
Does anyone have any stats on the takeup of local-only accounts? I really can't imagine any average user (e.g. my Dad) getting a local-only account that won't let them google, etc. It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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I'll grant that I don't have hard numbers, but local-only is perfect for running a VPN between branches. There are probably a lot of companies quietly getting on with that.
 
drs said:
Looks like TENET and I.S. are about the only peers who're live at CINX so far.
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There are guys running cables and plugging in routers as we speak... Just haven't quite got to the point of bringing their peering sessions live yet :D
 
drs said:
I'll grant that I don't have hard numbers, but local-only is perfect for running a VPN between branches. There are probably a lot of companies quietly getting on with that.
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Hmmm, ok, fair enough. But that still does nothing for Joe User in the street.
 
RoganDawes said:
Hmmm, ok, fair enough. But that still does nothing for Joe User in the street.
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Telkoms 10gb local after the 1gb blended also means nothing to Joe User in the street.

But it is a very big feature for people that know what a news server is.

If Cybersmart, Webafrica, Afrihost, IS, MTN, iBurst, etc can all band together and offer very low rates on their version of local only then people will start jumping ship, thus hurting Telkom, thus forcing them to peer at CINX and JINX. Then it is Joe Public that win.
 
So where is DINX then?...

you cape and joburg ppl think you're so special :p
 
Local is -- ??????

drs said:
I'll grant that I don't have hard numbers, but local-only is perfect for running a VPN between branches. There are probably a lot of companies quietly getting on with that.
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Data / Bandwidth is a precious commodity -- even if it is "Local"

Once it is available AND affordable , I think that a lot of people will find things to do with it.

Well -- that is my opinion anyway ...........:)


MW
 
drs said:
Looks like TENET and I.S. are about the only peers who're live at CINX so far.
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Yes I see what you mean. And TENET and IS's graphs are mirrors of each other. I guess IS is feeding TENET yet both are listed as separate entities.

The CINX graphs are going to be a lot more interesting once some of the smaller providers on the list start sending some data.

Does anyone know if it's viable to connect to a peering point such as JINX or CINX using wireless?
 
eugenevdm said:
Yes I see what you mean. And TENET and IS's graphs are mirrors of each other. I guess IS is feeding TENET yet both are listed as separate entities.

The CINX graphs are going to be a lot more interesting once some of the smaller providers on the list start sending some data.

Does anyone know if it's viable to connect to a peering point such as JINX or CINX using wireless?
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The roof at the IS building where CINX is hosted is full (all the ISM bands are used) so probably not.

We should get a building a kilometer away or so hooked up to the CINX then put more wifi link on that roof :D
 
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