ICASA report has huge technical flaws !!!

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Am sorry to spoilt the party. But the ICASA report appears not to have been written by anyone with any idea on network designn architecture. The ADSL network beyond local exchange is seperate from the voice network.

The line rental cover network maintainance of the local loop . but adsl access is more than local loop. If Telkom rolls out DSLAMs + ATM network + ESSR exchanges and hands over the traffic to the ISPs IP networks beyond that , who is to pay for the intemediary network , if they are not allowed to charge adsl access ? Who is to pay for ongoing maintanance and upgrades of such ?

I would be suprised if they dont halt their broadband rollout if the CAPEX and OPEX is not recoverable !!!!!!!
 
That may be so - but other telcos can offer the ervice, including those costs, at much muck lower costs. So Telkom should be able to do the same
 
adsl infrastructure should be paid for and maintained by the adsl service charges (which are paid to telkom via the isp's) this line rental model is unique to ZA and is essentially a money-spinning con.
 
Rather the argument should be that Telkom sells to ISPs the ADSL access +bandwidth usage at wholesale prices and then the ISP sells a BUNDLED service to the end user as in other countries rather that selling each element seperately. But reality is : there is a cost to ADSL access, nothing is FREE.
the recommendation ICASA makes that only line rental be charged to customers is ill-informed and will achieve the reverse of their wishes and the rollout of DSL networks will grind to a halt . Why should any business invest in something they can not be paid for ?
 
AFAIK, the ADSL "network" is actually a PVC on the National Telkom ATM cloud.
This same cloud has PVC's for Voice.

Essentially, everything is 1 network.
Thats the beauty of ATM.
 
ayanda said:
Rather the argument should be that Telkom sells to ISPs the ADSL access +bandwidth usage at wholesale prices and then the ISP sells a BUNDLED service to the end user as in other countries rather that selling each element seperately. But reality is : there is a cost to ADSL access, nothing is FREE.
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very true - it certainly isn't free - just insanely overpriced by telkom.

I really don't think that this constitutes 'huge technical flaws' WRT the icasa doc - they're simply saying that TELKOM shouldn't muck about and solely derive their income from the service costs.
 
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ayanda said:
Am sorry to spoilt the party. But the ICASA report appears not to have been written by anyone with any idea on network designn architecture. The ADSL network beyond local exchange is seperate from the voice network.

The line rental cover network maintainance of the local loop . but adsl access is more than local loop. If Telkom rolls out DSLAMs + ATM network + ESSR exchanges and hands over the traffic to the ISPs IP networks beyond that , who is to pay for the intemediary network , if they are not allowed to charge adsl access ? Who is to pay for ongoing maintanance and upgrades of such ?

I would be suprised if they dont halt their broadband rollout if the CAPEX and OPEX is not recoverable !!!!!!!
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Because if they don't supply it and insist that they are the only ones supplying it, somebody else will be able to supply it, utilising Telkoms cabling as they are allowed to in any other country. The cabling has been installed and paid for already. The original argument with ADSL was that ISP's should be able to install their own DSLAMS in Telkoms exchanges, but Telkom insisted that they are not allowed to.
 
ayanda said:
Rather the argument should be that Telkom sells to ISPs the ADSL access +bandwidth usage at wholesale prices and then the ISP sells a BUNDLED service to the end user as in other countries rather that selling each element seperately. But reality is : there is a cost to ADSL access, nothing is FREE.
the recommendation ICASA makes that only line rental be charged to customers is ill-informed and will achieve the reverse of their wishes and the rollout of DSL networks will grind to a halt . Why should any business invest in something they can not be paid for ?
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The difference is that Telkom is charging us R477 to "maintain" a 512kbps connection, whereas you just pay an installation fee overseas.

Why can overseas ISP's maintain a 512kbps line for R120 everything included while we pay R477 + R93 + R199 = R769 for the same service?

Sorry if my heart doesn't exactly bleed for them. They'll just have to restructure and get up to speed.
 
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Which country ?
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Take your pick. UK has 512 broadband for 9.99 Pounds, the French have 20Mbps connections for as little as 19.99 Euro (R160). USA, Australia, New Zealand all have 512 connections for R300 or less. Hell, even Mauritius has cheaper broadband than we do. Do a search around the forum, you'll be shocked.
 
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Correction. BT charges 10 pounds for the first 3 months , thereafter 21pounds
 
It is abundantly clear to everyone with a modicum of insight and understanding of business financials, that Telkrap have the resources to not only maintain, but also expand, their networks. Without absolute proof of the real cost involved, there is no way that I will subscribe to their contention that the ADSL access charge is justified - it is notable that they've never made such costs public. Their published financials, on the other hand, show clearly that a simple re-allocation of revenues would go a long way towards meeting both maintenance costs and capital investment. Merely saying that the loss of ADSL access revenues will directly affect technical needs, is simply disingenius - that tells me you don't know anything about how to manage a business except in a monopolistic scenario (much like $iswe, I suppose).
 
Even if they do that's just R250p/m... but luckily you can get it cheaper from one of the many other ISP's in the UK.
 
I seem 2 remember that their license prevents them from cross- subsidising one service with another. Let us stick to the topic. Why will they pay for something , they can not charge for ?
 
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I seem 2 remember that their license prevents them from cross- subsidising one service with another. Let us stick to the topic. Why will they pay for something , they can not charge for ?
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S..Sizwe? Is that you? :eek:
 
Ayanda, is your surname Mpu by any chance?
 
I believe we just just had a brush with a telkom secret agent sent too infiltrate MyADSL.
 
The argument is simple, if other telecoms providers can do it then so can Telkom, end of story. There’s nothing utterly unique in the South African's telecoms market other than the fact that we are being exploited to the maximum.
 
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