Surely RICA can learn from FICA, says Knott-Craig

Yeah, I can still remember them freezing my damn bank account because I have failed to provide them with my verified residential address.

Is it just me or should we start hurling our cellphones at parliament and start screaming?
 
Vodacom just made a chunky R5 billion profit. They should stop whining and come up with something that might enable to make this process easier, as we all know the legislation will not easily be changed.
I'm sure a small portion of hat R5 billion could come in handy.
 
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Inertia said:
Vodacom just made a chunky R5 billion profit. They should stop whining and come up with something that might enable to make this process easier, as we all know the legislation will not easily be changed.
I'm sure a small portion of hat R5 billion could come in handy.
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I don't think that is really the issue though. Knott-Craig does have a point; this will hurt the poor and the rural areas.
 
maybe i am just having a bad day but it hurts my ears to hear K-C expressing concern for the impact on the poor and in rural areas

puhleeze
 
Hi Dominic and others

It is very interesting to see how serious the Vodacom CEO is taking these new ‘cellphone laws’. He is writing personal columns which is seldom done, and is not using his standard PR guys to handle this issue. It is clear that he wants exposure regarding this issue, which means they stand to lose a great deal of money if everything goes ahead.

I am always hard pressed to believe that a CEO of any company is deeply concerned about the well being of a certain part of the population…at least in their capacity as CEO. It is however far easier to believe that they are very concerned about the bottom line!

Regards,

RPM
 
K C does have a point i have a guy working for me with a pre paid phone and no address he lives in a location, is the Govenment going to deny his right to communication because he does'nt have a street address and has no utility bill to prove were he lives? and when his phone gets cut off will he blame Government for the silly policy they implementing ? NO. He blames the cell operator.

Well back to the dark ages over 20 million ppl will be without a means of communication in just over 12 months.
 
Gunny said:
Well back to the dark ages over 20 million ppl will be without a means of communication in just over 12 months.
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do you really believe that?

I would guess that the law could have been better thought out and there will be problems with implementation but that is just part of the process - it happens all over the world in all sorts of contexts.

Whatever the merits i have issues with the FEAR and CONFUSION which is shovelled out for mass consumption by those whose interests will be adversely affected by the new law (i.e. the cellcos). I do not see that it is borne out of any kind of altruism but, on the contrary, is self-serving panic-mongering of the highest and most harmful order.

This is a common tactic - remember telkom saying that if ICASA force us to drop the line rental then we will discontinue the DSL service? the cellcos - if we are forced to do this we will have no money for future development into the poor and rural areas...BS!!!!!!!!!

////did i say "bad" day?
 
Well i had my bank account frozen for 3 days so yeah comparing the 2 laws it might just happen.

Even if this is Voda putting a spin on things because yes it will hurt their bottom line the cell operators are the guys with the penetration into rural areas they put up towers there have telkom run lines to half the places cell operators have penetration to ? There certainly is a market there if ppl bought cell phones. Cell operators are taking communication to the masses even tho it might be expensive to call they can now be reached (I'm not defending the operators their call rates are high for the average masses) More than the Government entity telkom has done for the masses. (I know its all profit based for the cell operators more subscribers = more profit).

Do you see an allowance anywere in the current draft of the legislation that makes provision for ppl that have no home adress ? I dnt. So what do these ppl do ?
 
Other members of Parliament accused the network operators of not taking the issue of crime prevention seriously enough. Cell C and Vodacom responded by pointing to their history of significant co-operation with the law enforcement agencies, which they said had cost them a lot of money.
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What is Parliament doing about crime? This law will not stop any criminals.
 
The consumer pays

rpm said:
Hi Dominic and others

It is very interesting to see how serious the Vodacom CEO is taking these new ‘cellphone laws’. He is writing personal columns which is seldom done, and is not using his standard PR guys to handle this issue. It is clear that he wants exposure regarding this issue, which means they stand to lose a great deal of money if everything goes ahead.

I am always hard pressed to believe that a CEO of any company is deeply concerned about the well being of a certain part of the population…at least in their capacity as CEO. It is however far easier to believe that they are very concerned about the bottom line!

Regards,

RPM
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Regardless of what we think about whether or not measures like this will affect the bottom lines of operators, ultimately we as consumers all pay. If we are to have affordable communications (or financial services for that matter), rediculous measures like this should be done away with. It is always the law-abiding citizens who suffer. Criminals will always have elaborate methods to work around these measures. For instance, if I want to use a cellphone to commit a crime, I will find a country where laws are lax, and then roam in the country where I want to commit the crime. Just as with FICA, this law will not prevent crime, but just make the lives of law-abiding citizens difficult, and also result in us all paying more for services.
 
"Criminals will always have elaborate methods to work around these measures. "

You don't even need elaborate methods to get around this measure. Go to any homeless person with an ID book, give them R100 and tell them to buy you a starter pack at the corner cafe. TADA! Measures compromised.
 
Skip said:
"Criminals will always have elaborate methods to work around these measures. "

You don't even need elaborate methods to get around this measure. Go to any homeless person with an ID book, give them R100 and tell them to buy you a starter pack at the corner cafe. TADA! Measures compromised.
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WRONG !

The homeless person cant buy one because he doesnt have proof of residence.
We will get robbed of our phone so the criminal can use it for 2 hours before its blacklisted. (If we lucky and it takes less than 2 hrs to get a case number)
 
And what about overseas phones ?

Are we asking every tourist to register their phones as well ?
 
They equate a phone too a firearm so they must do that if they want to be "fair". And in all of this no one has really spoken for "the people" again. Well there are still people unable to open a bank account besides it being your "constitutional right". Quote: "We know there are people unable to open an account because they have no formal residence". It's well over a year maybe even close to two years now that I heard those words and this was years after the process was started. The truth is that no one gives a damn about the people on the street. These imbeciles aren't thinking about crime at all. If they were they would realise that this WILL CAUSE an increase in crime. There is no question about it. This law is nothing but an exclamation of their stupidity. I propose we put up posters everywhere stating "if your phone gets stolen BLAME IVY".
 
SIM cards can be obtained (predominantly contract, but with some prepaid) outside the borders of SA and used inside SA for criminal activities. If you can't police it, then the law is pointless.
Take for example motor vehicles. These are (supposed to be) licensed, but yet they are stolen and used in crimes anyway. I don't see how registering cellphones is going to reduce crime.

I wonder how long it will take criminals in SA to switch to mobile VoIP, seeing that the network operators cannot trace or intercept secure VoIP calls? :)

Implementation of RICA.
Added flavour: 0 out of 5
Extra time: 5 out of 5
Added value: 0 out of 5
Comment: Just another pointless, time consuming law.
 
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