Parliament - "Wireless Applications by Municipalities" hearings: Friday 09/06

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anyone in cape town who is interested can attend a hearing scheduled by the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Communications regarding the use of wireless applications by municipalities

date: friday 9 June 2006
where: old assembly chamber, parliament
programme:
CHAIRPERSON: G Oliphant, MP

09:00-11:00

1. AGENDA: Wireless Applications by Municipalities


09:00-09:15 Register, welcome and announcements
09:15-09:35 City of Cape Town
09:35-09:55 Uninet
09:55-10:15 Telkom
10:15-10:35 Icasa
10:35-11:00 Deliberations

The portfolio committee is, imo, a fairly progressive forum and the hearings should be interesting. The presenter for the City of Cape Town is Dr Raven Naidoo of Radian who heads up the unicity broadband network initiative.

The hearings were called by the committee in response to a news article about the Knysna Municipality's broadband project which can be found on the Mail and Guardian site - http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=256892&area=/insight/insight__economy__business/

the myadsl thread discussing the article is http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=32148
 
dominic said:
anyone in cape town who is interested can attend a hearing scheduled by the Parliamentary Portfolio Committee on Communications regarding the use of wireless applications by municipalities

Dominic, are you going? If so can you give us some feedback. think it should be an interesting one.
 
trojantr - welcome to the forum...guessing i must know you

/confirmed attendance
/will not be recorded other than manually
 
your correspondent reports back that it was a highly entertaining session in parliament...full report to follow but a few gems in the interim

"there are a number of people indulging in premature opportunistic market behaviour" - telkom's take on knysna and other municipalities

"too little, too late" - unnamed MP on telkom's recent adsl decrease

"there is no longer any sense in talking about the telecommunications act - its gonna be gone soon" - Dep Min of Comms Roy Padayachee

....quite apparent that the "dominant incumbent" does not have many friends in parliament
 
dominic said:
"there are a number of people indulging in premature opportunistic market behaviour" - telkom's take on knysna and other municipalities
"there are an immature monopoly engaging indulging in a number of opportunistic market behaviours" - my take on telkom
 
ic said:
And we should believe DMoCk Roy bcos the DoC and Roy himself are famous for talk, promising to talk and then not talking, and especially a total lack of action. The fact is that the ECA has not been gated at the prom yet, and that means that the Telecommunications Act is the de facto legislation [still] currently in effect right now, why should the Telecommunications Act be spared from further criticism? I wish the ECA was already gated at the prom, but the fact is that it has not, and who do we have to thank for that - her Poisonous Ivyness that has done all she can to mess with the !CASA Amendment Bill to which the ECA is umbilically linked.
yeah it was a talkshop but at least an interesting one

Deputy Roy in making the statement was echoing the words of Dene Smuts who had a complete go at telkom. Some context - telkom were attempting to argue that municipalities which have been granted PTN licences still have to obtain their facilities from telkom or the sno (ke?) in terms of the telecomms act. ICASA then told them they were wrong. They continued to harp on and Ms Smuts got quite upset and interrupted to say that telkom neeed to move on from the telecomms act and the fact that they were relying n a section 41 telecomms act argument was ridiculous.

//side note: your correspondent was nearly thrown out for loud snorting noises during telkom's argument as detailed above...what a crock of nonsense
 
dominic - Thanks for reporting back and dodging the possiblity of being escorted out. I'm not sure which would have been more amuzing to read. your quotes that you got while there or HEADLINE "Correspondent throw out of Hearing for laughing so loudly at Telkom's pathetic arguments"

Besides all the talk...which we know they all so good at doing... was there any sort of outcome/resolution/ruling/way forward /another hearing to hear what people have to say about a hearing/ another talk shop???
 
skydog - by it very definition this was a talkshop; but i is worth suspending cynicism to try and get a gip on the arguments and thoughts surrounding municipal provision of communication networks and services and also very useful to guage the mindset of the portfolio committee on communications (PPCC)

imo we all have a debt of gratitude to the PPCC for rewriting the electronic communications act (ECA) almost in its entirety and in doing so savings as from the utter ballsup we would have had if the DoC had had its way

in the next few posts will put up rough notes from the presentation - apologies if in parts this is unclear or indecipherable...i will attempt to clarify any items that are raised

edit: i am trying to get hold of all the powerpoint presentations and will make these available for those who are interested as soon as i get them
 
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City of Cape Town

CoCT put the local government case for municipal networks very strongly – exactly how such networks can save costs and boost service delivery. Not attached to wireless as an exclusive delivery system but is part of their last-mile delivery strategy. The medium of deployment selected is essentially a function of cost, a factor which may favour wireless solutions.

Smart Cape Access Project / Smart Cape Access Network (SCAN).

CoCT was fairly scathing about Telkom, accusing them of “profiteering” and “paying lip-service to development”. Looking at the numbers the City currently pays around R100 million per annum in call charges alone (i.e. not including data and other service charges) and estimates that it can save R40 million per annum using their own private telecommunications network (PTN).

Telkom’s conduct brings it directly into conflict with local government’s constitutional mandate to deliver.

The high costs of telecommunications is inhibiting communications within the Unicity and communications between the Unicity and its citizens. The central issue in the first instance is “connected local government”. In the second pilot projects rolled out have shown that where facilities have been made available people have flocked to use them and have generally responded by requiring improved access.


Emphasise that telecoms is a part and parcel of the business of local government. From a legal perspective this is a necessary condition of their PTN licence. At the same time have no desire to act as a telco. At this stage looking at their options but on a balance would want to retain ownership of the network facilities so that they can pick and choose operators. From the RFI for the recent tender it is clear that they favour an open access model


Unicity further made a call for wholesale interconnect regimes to be implemented and invited the PPC to come and see what was being done for themselves. Invite accepted.
 
Uninet
Uninet presented detail of the Knysna project including costs savings.

Telkom
Telkom had a team of four including the senior regulatory specialist and marketing executive Steven White. They stated that they had brought a team to signify how seriously they took the matter. In essence their argument could summed up as follows: we support the bridging of the digital divide and local government delivery and we are totally committed to this but what is happening is illegal.

The reasons for the proposed illegality of municipal PTN projects as stated by Telkom relates to technical interpretations of section 41 of the Telecommunications Act. Telkom stated explicitly that they believed these restrictions would fall away under the Electronic Communications Act (ECA) but that the law had to be applied as it stood now. Those who are currently “acting illegally” in contemplation of being legalised under the ECA are guilty of “premature opportunistic market behaviour”.

In detail:
1. Is an argument that not all municipalities are by law in control over their land to the extent that a telecommunication signal sent from one office to another would not be crossing a public boundary. There is apparently no uniformity in the Government ordinances which set up the Municipalities.
2. Further argument that use of unlicensed spectrum creates interference issues for primary assignees. Assertion that immediately an operator exceeds the limit of 100 mW in order to cover greater areas this infringes on the Quality of Service (QoS). The use of municipal networks utilising unlicensed bands creates harmful interference and there is a need to protect the integrity of the radio frequency spectrum. This is true all over the world where radio spectrum and numbering are scarce resources which are internationally regulated.

According to Telkom it was allocated frequency in the 2.3 – 2.5 GHz bands in 1992 for specific use in roll-out to rural areas. This is being frustrated by interference issues.

3. And argument based on licence fees – disparity between fees paid by PSTNs and PTN in order to offer what is essentially the same service.

On costs of telecoms and broadband in particular offered the “good news” that ADSL was a technology that leant itself to economies of scale. Alleged (although they said they did not have the precise figures with them) that there has been a reduction of 60% in the 512K Business DSL package since inception.
 
ICASA

Believe SA is ready for digital cities and have a vision of the future centred around e-Government. ICASA is responsible for laying down the regulatory framework and they view municipalities as being the testing bed for e-Government and the methodology for tackling the challenges of the second economy.

“Too much talk, now is the time to walk”.

Would be ideal if SA could let the current set of regulation fade away but technology does not work like this. 2010 a huge issue and SA has to be ready to hand over to FIFA in 2008.

Reference in finding basis for digital cities to the objectives of the Electronic Communications and Transactions Act (ECTA) and the requirement for the development of a national e-strategy.

Clear that frequency remains a sticking point. ICASA still reviewing the band plan and trying to undo the harm caused by reserving blocks of frequency in the past – result that there can only be seven national licences per channel. At present no licensed users in the 3.8 GHz band and ICASA is looking at assigning frequency in this band to accommodate wireless applications. At the moment realize that the majority of municipalities are using 2.4 GHz and that there are issues of interference – band is being used by Telkom, Transtel, SANDF and Eskom.

Aware of problems with licence fees. SNO paid R300 million and is it fair to now allow a municipality which has paid a PTN licence application fee of just under R6 000 to provide the same services?

The departure points for the Regulator are innovation and universal access. Suffering as a result of delay in roll out of SNO services and therefore looking at other persons. Position likely to fundamentally different under the ECA where a lot more people will be able to roll out infrastructure.

Took issue with Telkom’s interpretation of Section 41 – ignores problem of effect of Ministerial Determinations of 1 February 2005 on section 41.

Stated that under the ECA municipalities will be able to register and operate services on a commercial basis. ICASA still trying to determine the effect of this on other licencees, especially the under serviced area licencees (USAL). Emphasised that development needs remain paramount.

“There needs to be a change of mindset. It is no longer about the laws but about the need to engage with development”.

Predict that a lot of work will need to be done with regard to control over where municipalities locate their infrastructure – not really catered for at the moment.

Issue of ascertaining whether there is any cross-subsidising of costs by municipalities in the provision of communications services.
ICASA see cherry-picking as a major difficulty – fear that Municipalities will focus on more lucrative urban areas while neglecting rural areas.

Note: 20 June 2006 – ICASA briefing PPCC on its readiness to implement the ECA and how it will deal with the ICASA Amendment Bill.
 
Question time

1. Dene Smuts: PPCC is very aware of effects of high cost of bandwidth and the ECA is designed to address this – according to her it contains a clear and unambiguous method fro bringing down bandwidth prices. This is essentially through designation of licencees as having “significant market power” after ICASA has completed the necessary market study. This will lead to wholesale and retail price controls and it is “urgently necessary” to address this.

She continued that the ECA had been written against the background of the policy failures, i.e. it was drafted the way it was because of the failures around the SNO and USALs, amongst other failures. Sees that there will be results from the SNO and now the TNO but expects real moves to come fm ISPs and municipalities.

“Let me be clear. There is nothing under law that prevents a Municipality from become a fully fledged telecommunications company”. This is the position in law although there may be cogent business reasons militating against municipalities doing this.

Under the ECA open to municipalities to register ”as of right” as providers of network and communication services.

MP Smuts was “astounded” that Telkom were raising a section 41 argument. “This is not even an argument anymore – cities can do this as of right”.

She had a full vent at Telkom saying that they were holding the country back and that the Telecommunications Act was history and no longer relevant.

With regard to local loop unbundling (LLU) she said that under the ECA the regulator has to explicitly list essential facilities and renew this every 36 months. This includes LL facilities which must then be dealt with under facilities leasing and competition regulation provisions.

2. Next question (could not determine who asked) regarded transformation on the part of service providers and municipalities.


3. Another MP criticized Telkom for the lack of transparency in its high pricing. He said that the latest reductions were “too little, too late” and that it was a pity that Telkom did not feel that it could clearly articulate what the current level of their pricing was, i.e. in their address they did not speak to pricing at all.

4. Vincent Gore (ID); very to the point questions – was disappointed that Uninet and Telkom were not fighting their corners more aggressively and tried to provoke this.

As he understands it Telkom is alleging that municipal networks should not be tolerated because:
• ISM band not being use correctly
• Contiguous property argument
• Limitations on resale of facilities
• Telecoms not a core business function of municipalities

Question: if this is the case why has this not been enforced? What is going to be done with WISPs and others in this regard?

Chair of the PPCC indicated that these questions should be properly answered at the further hearing scheduled for 20 June 2006. Telkom, however, pushed hard for an immediate answer from ICASA.

ICASA replied that the Ministerial Determinations of February 2005 had widened the facilities supply market – VANS can now obtain facilities from persons who are legitimately allowed to provide them. By law facilities can be provided by PTNs, other VANS, PSTN, Mobiles, USALs…

[This was again disputed by Telkom who said that the Determinations had no effect on where municipalities should obtain their facilities from.

As a result the subletting of facilities by a municipality I not in contravention of the law as is stands under the Telecommunications Act.

Further question related to WIMAX and frequency. Had not seen any reference to allocation of 3.5 GHz and wanted to kwo if anyone had applied for this?

Per ICASA there are no municipalities in this space – mostly taken up by Telkom and the SNO. Otherwise reserved spectrum for Telkom, SNO, USALs and Sentech. Indicated that had awarded frequency in the 2.6 GHz range to Tshwane which was busy running test projects in this band.


5. Uninet indicated that neither it nor the municipality was in breach of the regulations applicable to ISM usage, including the technical restriction of 100 mW, and it was fully compliant with the ETSI regulations. Uninet stated that they have used a large number of hotspots to cover Knysna to get around the restriction (approx 300 plus hotspots to cover 30% of the town). Also using Hiperlan frequencies(5.4 GHz) which according to ICASA remains an unlicensed band which is available for municipalities In the Hiperlan band the output limit is set at 1000 mW and can run outdoor operations.

6. Vincent Gore asked a further question as to the legality of WISPs and wanted information on how many of these operations have been closed down or placed under investigation.


Session was wrapped up by the Dep Minister of Communications who said there was no point in talking about the Telecommunications Act any more as it was history.

He asked where the focus should be at this stage? Was of the view that despite initiatives taken costs are still 10 times high than they should be. He believes we are in a “waiting period” – basically waiting for the initiatives taken to filter down into lower costs, i.e. believes that lower costs is a function of time.

“It is now all about the regulator”. What can be done to strengthen the regulator and empower it to deal with the challenges of the future
 
WOW dominic - thanks so much for the time in putting this together.

It goes me a good idea on what is happening and how the regulator eg ICASA is seeing this.... Will be interesting to hear what they say about WISPs on the 20th June
 
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