Russo-Ukrainian War - 2022 Edition - Part 8

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Silly Russians really do need to sort out their smoking rules.

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Security building on fire in Russia's Rostov-on-Don

One person dies in the blaze in a federal security service building in the southern Russian city.
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At least one person has been killed and two injured in a fire at a building used by Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don, Russian media say.
Dramatic footage on social media shows a large blaze, with smoke visible all over the city.
 
ToxicBunny said:
I actually think Russia probably has no other option, not just Ukraine.
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The media has us fooled. The Ukrainian army is is doing a lot worse than it looks. Unless the West sends troops in, they are doomed. No Western leader believes Ukraine is worth starting WW3 over .
 
Sensorei said:
The media has us fooled. The Ukrainian army is is doing a lot worse than it looks. Unless the West sends troops in, they are doomed. No Western leader believes Ukraine is worth starting WW3 over .
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If only we could figure out a way to harvest vatnik cope and hope, it would be better than a fusion energy breakthrough.
 
Sensorei said:
The media has us fooled. The Ukrainian army is is doing a lot worse than it looks. Unless the West sends troops in, they are doomed. No Western leader believes Ukraine is worth starting WW3 over .
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Here we have might makes right mentality in full effect.

So... here in the civilized world... no. Just no. You don't get to be a bully without consequences. Decent people stick up for others. Freedom is worth fighting for. So kindly GFY.
 
Sensorei said:
The media has us fooled. The Ukrainian army is is doing a lot worse than it looks. Unless the West sends troops in, they are doomed. No Western leader believes Ukraine is worth starting WW3 over .
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Tell us you've swallowed Russian propaganda without telling us you've swallowed Russian propaganda.

The reality is that both sides are doing a lot worse than it looks in various places and better in other places.
 
AlmightyBender said:
Here we have might makes right mentality in full effect.

So... here in the civilized world... no. Just no. You don't get to be a bully without consequences. Decent people stick up for others. Freedom is worth fighting for. So kindly GFY.
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Delusional adolescent mindset thinking "oh we'll rather all die with honour but there'll be none of us left but that' be fine because we fought well." The West will not save Ukraine. You think Biden will risk re-election and send troops in. LOL. Even the Ukrainians who aren't sheep know better.

I'm probably the only one here actually speaking to real Ukrainians about this who actually have lost family. One of my best mates was born in Soviet Ukraine and has lost cousins and friends. Ukrainians with more than a few brain cells are singing a different tune to what they were a year ago.
 
Sensorei said:
Yes, but Russian can afford to lose 20 times more men at least. Ukraine is running out of soldiers.
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Quite likely, but that doesn't mean that Russia is any better position than Ukraine.... at some point Russia will run out of usable equipment and that will happen way before they run out of men..

And Russia will start getting unstable itself the longer this goes on... There is a not insignificant chance that the Russian Federation starts breaking up at some point in the near future.

There is also the element that winning this war for Russia may still be seen as a significant loss because the country is becoming more and more isolated on the global stage.
 
Sensorei said:
For sure it's complicated. But the bottom line is that having the US military and NATO so close to Russia a nationality security threat to them and they will not tolerate it. The West's interference might look like it's helping Ukraine now with the supplying of weapons and supplies. But it's ultimately going to causing the absolute destruction of Ukraine.

The USA are using Ukraine as a pawn. Russia can not lose this war. They will sacrifice half of their men and destroy the whole of Ukraine before they let NATO set up base in Ukraine. The only way out this for Ukraine is negotiation, and Zelenski and the West have pretty much screwed that up.

Zelenski knows he can't win this war without the USA sending their troops in. But there is zero chance that Biden will do that.
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Again this silly point. There are already NATO countries on Russia's borders for years. Right now there are large NATO forces in said member countries. Closer to both Moscow and St Petersburg than Ukraine is.

Geez. Do you really think NATO can get any closer to Moscow than it already is via Ukraine? That's a hard no. In no way at all can NATO get closer to Moscow without invading Russia. And we all know the invasions are going the other way. From Russia into its neighbours.

When will people hung up on Putin's NATO angle start internalising the implications of this very simple and thoroughly logical point? Fighting NATO expansion by invading Ukraine would be entirely symbolic by Russia. And you don't send tens of thousands of people to die for a symbolic point.

People should, in my opinion, get this through their skulls. Russia is there to grab strategic territories. At all cost. Be it human lives or suffering. Locally or globally. First and foremost. Like. 95% of it. That is what their actions speak of. The other 5% are minor goals and smoke and mirrors on a grand scale. The regions they are annexing is 100% consistent with a long running campaign to expand and dominate. Not even in the Eastern European context. But in the context of previous expansion in Asia going back decades, if not 100s of years. You can even clearly see it in a current map of Asia.

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Soviet plan (dark lines) vs their current objectives (light lines).

Russia has wished to gain access to the Persian gulf since they found out about it. This is not idle speculation. It was the USSR's primary expansion objective in Asia. The blue was almost all part of the USSR, and the Soviets hardly made a secret of it. Easy to look up. But, they were stopped in Afghanistan. Sentiment from within Russia makes it clear they want all that back, but for now they're playing a slow game of pushing through and protecting (as per gaining control over Crimea and Eastern Ukraine) a corridor made up primarily at present by the Caucasus region between the black sea and the Caspian Sea. And strategic surrounding territories. Crimea and Eastern Ukraine are obvious targets within this context. When Russia talks about security concerns, then it is concern entirely relating this.

It's even possible to predict their next objectives based on this thesis.

Observe. The Caspian Basin Region of Kazakhstan. A mirror objective in relation to Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.

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All to alleviate what they perceive as a strategic weakness in this corridor.
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A concern of Moscow they have never made any secret of either.

In a decade or two after, if not sooner. The Russo-Iran war. With their sights on the Azerbaijani and other Occidental regions of Iran shown in yellow below (clearly Iran likes playing with fire, or are somewhat compromised already)

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Only the assumption that this is still their primary goal explains their otherwise puzzling indifference to other NATO member states on their borders, closer to Moscow and St Petersburg, and near hysterical focus on Eastern Ukraine. Countering NATO expansion, in my opinion, is a big fat made up excuse.
 
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Sensorei said:
Delusional adolescent mindset thinking "oh we'll rather all die with honour but there'll be none of us left but that' be fine because we fought well." The West will not save Ukraine. You think Biden will risk re-election and send troops in. LOL. Even the Ukrainians who aren't sheep know better.

I'm probably the only one here actually speaking to real Ukrainians about this who actually have lost family. One of my best mates was born in Soviet Ukraine and has lost cousins and friends. Ukrainians with more than a few brain cells are singing a different tune to what they were a year ago.
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1) The Russia can barely hold it together in Ukraine. A US and EU alliance would obliterate them in short order. So absolute BS that Russia is to be feared and that they have the ability to create a situation where "there'll be none of us left". Laughable. You think China and the rest will side with Russia in a war? Now that is delusional adolescent thinking.

2) The majority of the US supports aiding Ukraine:
39% say U.S. doing right amount to aid Ukraine, 28% too much, 30% not enough
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ttps://news.gallup.com/poll/469328/one-year-later-americans-stand-ukraine.aspx
So it would be a re-election risk for Biden to WITHDRAW support. Especially from his base.

3) Aaaaah the Ukrainians that "aren't sheep" aka the traitors. Ya nee. I'm sorry that you are affiliated with pathetic cowards but the vast majority of Ukraine also wants you to GFY.
news.gallup.com

Ukrainians Support Fighting Until Victory

Most Ukrainians favor fighting until the country wins the war. To them, victory means retaking all territory seized by Russia since 2014, including Crimea.
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Please come join us in reality sometime. It's nice here.
 
AlmightyBender said:
Here we have might makes right mentality in full effect.

So... here in the civilized world... no. Just no. You don't get to be a bully without consequences. Decent people stick up for others. Freedom is worth fighting for. So kindly GFY.
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ToxicBunny said:
Quite likely, but that doesn't mean that Russia is any better position than Ukraine.... at some point Russia will run out of usable equipment and that will happen way before they run out of men..

And Russia will start getting unstable itself the longer this goes on... There is a not insignificant chance that the Russian Federation starts breaking up at some point in the near future.

There is also the element that winning this war for Russia may still be seen as a significant loss because the country is becoming more and more isolated on the global stage.
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"here in the civilized", "more and more isolated on the global stage." :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
This is top quality hopium and copium sucked right from the ....... of western white supremacist propagandists.

Newsflash, your "civlized world" is the isolated minority now.
 
AlmightyBender said:
1) The Russia can barely hold it together in Ukraine. A US and EU alliance would obliterate them in short order. So absolute BS that Russia is to be feared and that they have the ability to create a situation where "there'll be none of us left". Laughable. You think China and the rest will side with Russia in a war? Now that is delusional adolescent thinking.

2) The majority of the US supports aiding Ukraine:

ttps://news.gallup.com/poll/469328/one-year-later-americans-stand-ukraine.aspx
So it would be a re-election risk for Biden to WITHDRAW support. Especially from his base.

3) Aaaaah the Ukrainians that "aren't sheep" aka the traitors. Ya nee. I'm sorry that you are affiliated with pathetic cowards but the vast majority of Ukraine also wants you to GFY.
news.gallup.com

Ukrainians Support Fighting Until Victory

Most Ukrainians favor fighting until the country wins the war. To them, victory means retaking all territory seized by Russia since 2014, including Crimea.
news.gallup.com news.gallup.com

Please come join us in reality sometime. It's nice here.
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Lol, so easily upset. Get back to your CNN news. You might miss the latest thing you can be offended by.

Wrong. The majority of the US supports sending assistance to Ukraine, but only about 25% support sending US troops to Ukraine. Ukraine can't win without US or Nato alliance troops.
 
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