Bad Parking Pictures

Maurice Kitching said:
This topic has taken a bit of a turn. Size of vehicle, layout of parking lot, size of bays, and number of vehicles all have a bearing on how you park. Regardless of this, you are largely wrong.

Firstly, if you can't reverse park as quickly as pulling in nose first, you shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car. Vehicles are getting bigger, and developers are trying to make more money. Parking bay sizes have declined, but so have the drive surfaces between bays. I drive a bakkie. The thing is unnecessarily big, but it is what it is. It's a necessity for work. If I have to forward park at Harbour Bay, it usually takes me going part way into the bay, reversing and then straightening into the bay. The reason for this threefold. The drive surface between bays is not wide enough to allow for a decent turning arc. The bays themselves are so short that most vehicles stick out of their bays, leaving less turning space. There are usually other vehicles like mine that front park and leave even less space. Reverse parking is just the second part of a three point turn. If you can't do that in one smooth motion, get off the road.
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We are talking which one is better and faster. You looking for a specific scenario at a spicific place does not prove anything.
Maurice Kitching said:
Secondly, you can check the way other drivers park. Most people who park nose first will edge over to the left of the bay slightly, especially if they are alone. This gives them max space to exit their vehicle. Not everyone allows for their passengers to exit before they park in a small space, like @Craig_ mentioned the other day. This means that you can reverse park in the middle of your bay and have maximum space to exit your vehicle.
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And if everyone reverse park then this theory of your is bust?
Maurice Kitching said:
Thirdly, most vehicles are slightly higher at the back than the front, and in the case of my bakkie, significantly so. This allows most people who can drive, the ability to pull deeper into the bay when there are high curbs, beds or hedges, especially if you're equipped with a reverse camera. This gives other drivers in the lot more space. Something to remember if you're a considerate driver.
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My sedan is very low and found very few places where it hit the curbs. But more important, you want to park so a big part of your vehicle goes over where pedestrians have to walk? Very considerate of you.
Maurice Kitching said:
Fourthly, you don't get good at anything if you don't actually put some effort into it. For some reason people think once they have that little green card, it makes them good drivers. No one does a competency and turns into a crack shot that can hit a pool ball at 1000m. If you want to become a good shot, you're going to spend hours at the range and fire thousands of rounds. Question someone's ability to drive though, and all hell breaks loose. Do yourself a favour. Go to a nice big empty area. Put up two poles far enough apart that it gives you a ruler length of clearance each side of your car (mirror width). Drive between those poles at 100km/h. Most people are pretty cocky when it's pool noodles. Rather put in rebar. Let me know how you do.
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You or anyone practicing does not make one method better. Its just you. Most people will not. Proves no point
Maurice Kitching said:
Lastly, you don't have to believe me. Just look at the stats. The number of parking lot accidents due to reversing from a bay vs first move forward sits at 91% in the USA, as per the AAA. Number of fatalities at 90%, often being kids due to not being seen. There's a reason why fleet management companies aggressively enforce "first-move-forward" policies. Cost, downtime, insurance premium increases and law suits have led large fleet managers to monitor gear shifts and positions with first move, and drivers are penalised accordingly. The stats don't lie.
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For your stats not to lie you must first tell us what % of people in The USA park nose first and what % reverse park. Then we can see if your stats lie or not. Does not help 95% park nose first and accidents are 91%.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
We are talking which one is better and faster. You looking for a specific scenario at a spicific place does not prove anything.
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Applicable in all scenarios. Just more so in some.
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
And if everyone reverse park then this theory of your is bust?
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No. There will always be the dense who afford me this opportunity.
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
My sedan is very low and found very few places where it hit the curbs. But more important, you want to park so a big part of your vehicle goes over where pedestrians have to walk? Very considerate of you.
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I have yet to find a lot that has a walkway between bays where there are not trees or hedges planted on the edge. Having recently had to comment on a new development in our area, I found out that it is a requirement in Cape Town. Pushing over the curb therefore allows for the nose of the vehicle not to stick into the driving area. Considerate to other drivers, while reducing he chance of your own vehicle being clipped.
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
You or anyone practicing does not make one method better. Its just you. Most people will not. Proves no point
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That's is the point. Thank you for confirming it.
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
For your stats not to lie you must first tell us what % of people in The USA park nose first and what % reverse park. Then we can see if your stats lie or not. Does not help 95% park nose first and accidents are 91%.
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You're clearly not great on probabilities, but luckily there are various research bodies that have invested the time and money. If you can't read a research paper, you can always use AI to explain it to you. You can also chat to a risk manager or any actuary at an insurer.

You were the one who mentioned facts. Look at them.
 
Maurice Kitching said:
This topic has taken a bit of a turn. Size of vehicle, layout of parking lot, size of bays, and number of vehicles all have a bearing on how you park. Regardless of this, you are largely wrong.

Firstly, if you can't reverse park as quickly as pulling in nose first, you shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car. Vehicles are getting bigger, and developers are trying to make more money. Parking bay sizes have declined, but so have the drive surfaces between bays. I drive a bakkie. The thing is unnecessarily big, but it is what it is. It's a necessity for work. If I have to forward park at Harbour Bay, it usually takes me going part way into the bay, reversing and then straightening into the bay. The reason for this threefold. The drive surface between bays is not wide enough to allow for a decent turning arc. The bays themselves are so short that most vehicles stick out of their bays, leaving less turning space. There are usually other vehicles like mine that front park and leave even less space. Reverse parking is just the second part of a three point turn. If you can't do that in one smooth motion, get off the road.

Secondly, you can check the way other drivers park. Most people who park nose first will edge over to the left of the bay slightly, especially if they are alone. This gives them max space to exit their vehicle. Not everyone allows for their passengers to exit before they park in a small space, like @Craig_ mentioned the other day. This means that you can reverse park in the middle of your bay and have maximum space to exit your vehicle.

Thirdly, most vehicles are slightly higher at the back than the front, and in the case of my bakkie, significantly so. This allows most people who can drive, the ability to pull deeper into the bay when there are high curbs, beds or hedges, especially if you're equipped with a reverse camera. This gives other drivers in the lot more space. Something to remember if you're a considerate driver.

Fourthly, you don't get good at anything if you don't actually put some effort into it. For some reason people think once they have that little green card, it makes them good drivers. No one does a competency and turns into a crack shot that can hit a pool ball at 1000m. If you want to become a good shot, you're going to spend hours at the range and fire thousands of rounds. Question someone's ability to drive though, and all hell breaks loose. Do yourself a favour. Go to a nice big empty area. Put up two poles far enough apart that it gives you a ruler length of clearance each side of your car (mirror width). Drive between those poles at 100km/h. Most people are pretty cocky when it's pool noodles. Rather put in rebar. Let me know how you do.

Lastly, you don't have to believe me. Just look at the stats. The number of parking lot accidents due to reversing from a bay vs first move forward sits at 91% in the USA, as per the AAA. Number of fatalities at 90%, often being kids due to not being seen. There's a reason why fleet management companies aggressively enforce "first-move-forward" policies. Cost, downtime, insurance premium increases and law suits have led large fleet managers to monitor gear shifts and positions with first move, and drivers are penalised accordingly. The stats don't lie.
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Maurice Kitching said:
I tried. Looks like I failed.

Being able to update your priors helps.
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LOL anyone that knows me, know I don't play pigeon chess. I write what I want and leave it there for other to read who they think is right and who is wrong. You can carry on as long as you like.
I love the little insults, it just proves who is right. Guys like Heisenwhatever is new name is, has no horse in the race, I have made a fool of him numerous times now he just runs around on the forum coming like a little ankle biter, trying a comeback for his broken ego. Just confirms how butthurt he is.

OH and a suggestion for your future pigeon chess. When you give stats, give the actual link. Not your interpretation of the facts. It will look less dodgy.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
LOL anyone that knows me, know I don't play pigeon chess. I write what I want and leave it there for other to read who they think is right and who is wrong. You can carry on as long as you like.
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The very definition of bad faith argument.
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
I love the little insults, it just proves who is right. Guys like Heisenwhatever is new name is, has no horse in the race, I have made a fool of him numerous times now he just runs around on the forum coming like a little ankle biter, trying a comeback for his broken ego. Just confirms how butthurt he is.
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Good grief. What did you do to his butt?
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
OH and a suggestion for your future pigeon chess. When you give stats, give the actual link. Not your interpretation of the facts. It will look less dodgy.
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Gave you the source. For links, appoint a secretary if you're too lazy to look it up yourself. I don't run to Google every time I need to make an argument. Knowledge goes a long way. Having to manage fleet risk myself, I am my own source of information. I can however tell you that we've taken a leaf out of the AAA book and follow insurance trends in South Africa, America and Europe.

The only person I see throwing insults around seems to be you. Maybe @Craig_ is right, and it's better not to waste too much time on this, or you. Toodaloo old chap.
 
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